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Gary L
21 January 2019 12:34:04

"As we head through February there is an increased chance of seeing very cold conditions developing with a greater probability of northerly or easterly winds"

They seem bullish about this...Maybe eventually winter will arrive 

Rob K
21 January 2019 12:37:38

And the "Stopped Clock Award" for 2019 goes to.....

 

 

December 14: Through the first half of January there is an increasing likelihood for it to turn colder bringing the increased risk of winter hazards, especially frost and fog. Some snow is also likely with temperatures expected to fall below normal. However, there is uncertainty in the timing of this change to turn colder, and it could come before the end of December.

December 18: Through the first half of January, there is an increasing likelihood that colder weather may begin to dominate with a greater chance of seeing east or northeasterly winds.

December 21: Then, further into January, most probably becoming colder and drier than normal, with an increased likelihood of easterly winds.

December 24: By mid-month there is a greater chance of colder weather, with an increasing likelihood of frost, fog and snow, with these conditions probably continuing for the rest of the period.

December 31: By the third week of January there is then an increased likelihood of a change to much colder weather generally, bringing an enhanced risk of frost, fog and snow.

January 3: Towards the end of January, however, there is an increased likelihood of a change to much colder weather generally, bringing an enhanced risk of frost, fog and snow.

January 7: As the rest of the month progresses and into early February there is an increased likelihood of colder weather to become established generally, which will bring an enhanced risk of frost, fog and snow.

January 9: During the last week of January and into early February, there is an increased likelihood of cold conditions being established generally across all of the UK. This would bring an enhanced risk of snow and widespread frost, especially in the north.

January 13: For the end of January and into early February, there is an increased likelihood of cold weather being established across all of the UK, with temperatures continuing a downward trend to become cold or very cold.

January 21: As we head through February there is an increased chance of seeing very cold conditions developing with a greater probability of northerly or easterly winds.

 

 

You've got to give them credit for persistence. However many times the weather proves them wrong they are not giving up.  

 


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Solar Cycles
21 January 2019 12:51:11

Met office

UK Outlook for Saturday 26 Jan 2019 to Monday 4 Feb 2019:

Changeable on Saturday with rain and hill snow clearing southeastwards, to leave a brighter and showery picture for the remainder of the weekend. Showers will be of a wintry mix with snow possible at lower levels, particularly in the north and it will be windy with coastal gales probable in the north and west. Thereafter, the final few days of January and early February are likely to remain rather unsettled with brisk winds, outbreaks of rain and hill snow, as well as some showery interludes in between. It will remain cold for most with widespread overnight frosts as well as the risk of ice. Snow remains a possibility to lower levels, particularly in the north.

UK Outlook for Tuesday 5 Feb 2019 to Tuesday 19 Feb 2019:

The weather will continue to be mixed through early February with a continuation of the generally cold conditions. This will bring spells of rain and hill snow, interspersed by showery interludes, with a continued risk of snow to lower levels, especially in the north. As we head through February there is an increased chance of seeing very cold conditions developing with a greater probability of northerly or easterly winds. This will bring an increased risk of snow to all areas and more widespread frost, however there remains some uncertainty. In this scenario the driest conditions will be across the northwest, whilst the south could see wetter and occasionally milder interludes, bringing a risk of more significant snow.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

Winters coming. 😂😂😂😂

picturesareme
21 January 2019 13:03:00

And the "Stopped Clock Award" for 2019 goes to.....

 

 

December 14: Through the first half of January there is an increasing likelihood for it to turn colder bringing the increased risk of winter hazards, especially frost and fog. Some snow is also likely with temperatures expected to fall below normal. However, there is uncertainty in the timing of this change to turn colder, and it could come before the end of December.

December 18: Through the first half of January, there is an increasing likelihood that colder weather may begin to dominate with a greater chance of seeing east or northeasterly winds.

December 21: Then, further into January, most probably becoming colder and drier than normal, with an increased likelihood of easterly winds.

December 24: By mid-month there is a greater chance of colder weather, with an increasing likelihood of frost, fog and snow, with these conditions probably continuing for the rest of the period.

December 31: By the third week of January there is then an increased likelihood of a change to much colder weather generally, bringing an enhanced risk of frost, fog and snow.

January 3: Towards the end of January, however, there is an increased likelihood of a change to much colder weather generally, bringing an enhanced risk of frost, fog and snow.

January 7: As the rest of the month progresses and into early February there is an increased likelihood of colder weather to become established generally, which will bring an enhanced risk of frost, fog and snow.

January 9: During the last week of January and into early February, there is an increased likelihood of cold conditions being established generally across all of the UK. This would bring an enhanced risk of snow and widespread frost, especially in the north.

January 13: For the end of January and into early February, there is an increased likelihood of cold weather being established across all of the UK, with temperatures continuing a downward trend to become cold or very cold.

January 21: As we head through February there is an increased chance of seeing very cold conditions developing with a greater probability of northerly or easterly winds.

 

 

You've got to give them credit for persistence. However many times the weather proves them wrong they are not giving up.  

 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

And since Xmas with exceptions to the easterlies or north easterlies they have been right. As we have now made it to mid January it clearly is cold and there is the risk of snow for some, and as we head out towards the end of the month it looks likely to remain cold with the risk of snow for some. For us in the South it just looks like being a mix of cold frosty days and milder wet spells.

They have never said it will only that its an increased likelihood.

tallyho_83
21 January 2019 13:57:59

Watching the Met Office weather forecast by Alex Deakin - Notice the snow showers behind the front look more frequent or potent compared to the BBC precipitation graphics which show little if any wintry showers for tomorrow:

 I would say the Met Office have it right? - what would you say?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-iwmmxnDz0

 

 


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Rob K
21 January 2019 13:59:40

 

And since Xmas with exceptions to the easterlies or north easterlies they have been right. As we have now made it to mid January it clearly is cold and there is the risk of snow for some, and as we head out towards the end of the month it looks likely to remain cold with the risk of snow for some. For us in the South it just looks like being a mix of cold frosty days and milder wet spells.

They have never said it will only that its an increased likelihood.

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 

I would dispute that. We've had a couple of cold days but it's not exactly cold today, at 6.5C, and the coming week looks rather average, not cold, with highs in London typically 6-9C. Only Wednesday, with a forecast max of 4C, is looking cold.

Whatever gloss you want to put on it, the long-rangers from the Met Office have been woeful this winter.

 

So far the only part of the UK that seems to have been slightly below average temperature is.... Pompey  Or maybe Southampton.

http://www.met.reading.ac.uk/~brugge/anomt.jpg

 


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Chunky Pea
21 January 2019 14:11:51

And the "Stopped Clock Award" for 2019 goes to.....

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Very entertaining read! 

It looks as if UK Met bases its long range forecasts, at least in part, on the ECM longer range ENs. And these have proved to be woefully useless this winter, as I am sure they have at any other given time. 

The head of our own Met Eireann over here, Gerry Fleming, publicly declared at a press conference 3 or 4 years back that the ECMWF and other longer range models are useless beyond the 10 day to 2 weeks period, and looking at anything beyond this time frame is a pointless exercise, especially for this particularly region of the planet,  and he wasn't wrong!


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tallyho_83
21 January 2019 14:27:20

Saturday, Sunday, Monday & Thursday? - They could do with making sure they have the right day before publishing their forecast!!!

https://www.weatheronline.co.uk/weather/reports/week-ahead.htm

 


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picturesareme
21 January 2019 14:38:18

 

I would dispute that. We've had a couple of cold days but it's not exactly cold today, at 6.5C, and the coming week looks rather average, not cold, with highs in London typically 6-9C. Only Wednesday, with a forecast max of 4C, is looking cold.

Whatever gloss you want to put on it, the long-rangers from the Met Office have been woeful this winter.

 

So far the only part of the UK that seems to have been slightly below average temperature is.... Pompey  Or maybe Southampton.

http://www.met.reading.ac.uk/~brugge/anomt.jpg

 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

But thats London for you, meanwhile highs between 4-6C down here on the balmy the south coast, until friday when  it warms again. To have a day max of 4C down here is around 5C below average and there for calling it cold then average is a fair statement I believe.

Rob K
21 January 2019 15:38:48

 

But thats London for you, meanwhile highs between 4-6C down here on the balmy the south coast, until friday when  it warms again. To have a day max of 4C down here is around 5C below average and there for calling it cold then average is a fair statement I believe.

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 

Yes but the long-rangers haven't been talking about a cold day arriving, they've been talking about cold weather arriving, and many updates have then suggested that it would be prolonged, "for the duration of the period" etc. By the end of this week it will be back to double figures or very close on the south coast.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

picturesareme
21 January 2019 15:51:36

 

Yes but the long-rangers haven't been talking about a cold day arriving, they've been talking about cold weather arriving, and many updates have then suggested that it would be prolonged, "for the duration of the period" etc. By the end of this week it will be back to double figures or very close on the south coast.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

But this is not one day it's looking likely 5 days before a milder blip then cold again... I don't recall the term prolonged being used either by the met in their forecasts. They did however mention a risk of briefer milder spells, especially in the South.

I think this is just a case of people's expectations distorting what's being said.

LeedsLad123
21 January 2019 15:53:30

 

 

But this is not one day it's looking likely 5 days before a milder blip then cold again... I don't recall the term prolonged being used either by the met in their forecasts. They did however mention a risk of briefer milder spells, especially in the South.

I think this is just a case of people's expectations distorting what's being said.

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 

I suspect most of us are more snow lovers than cold lovers. Cold for the sake of cold isn’t particularly interesting imo.


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Gray-Wolf
21 January 2019 15:59:53

 

 

I suspect most of us are more snow lovers than cold lovers. Cold for the sake of cold isn’t particularly interesting imo.

Originally Posted by: LeedsLad123 

I'd rather have freezing and dry/clear than cold ,grey damp, murk!


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Rob K
21 January 2019 16:03:57

 

But this is not one day it's looking likely 5 days before a milder blip then cold again... I don't recall the term prolonged being used either by the met in their forecasts. They did however mention a risk of briefer milder spells, especially in the South.

I think this is just a case of people's expectations distorting what's being said.

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 

 

They said "with these conditions probably continuing for the rest of the period", which is basically the same thing.

The point I was making was that the cold was originally supposed to arrive at the beginning of January (or maybe late December). Then it was "further into January", then it was "by mid-month", then it was "the third week of January", then "towards the end of January", and now it's February. By which I mean the sustained period of colder weather they have been banging on about for about six weeks, not a few coolish grey days (the coldest day this week is set to be Wednesday, with a max of 4C).

 

Face it, they have continually been expecting colder weather to take hold, and the real world has consistently refused to play ball with whatever background signals they have been using. According to the January 7 ECM monthly maps we should now be in the second week of -3C temperature anomalies across the country!


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." — Jerome K. Jerome

LeedsLad123
21 January 2019 16:13:11

 

I'd rather have freezing and dry/clear than cold ,grey damp, murk!

Originally Posted by: Gray-Wolf 

Certainly, and I appreciate cold, frosty, sunny conditions, but understandably dry, slightly colder than average conditions don’t excite many people. 


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David M Porter
21 January 2019 17:23:43

 

 

They said "with these conditions probably continuing for the rest of the period", which is basically the same thing.

The point I was making was that the cold was originally supposed to arrive at the beginning of January (or maybe late December). Then it was "further into January", then it was "by mid-month", then it was "the third week of January", then "towards the end of January", and now it's February. By which I mean the sustained period of colder weather they have been banging on about for about six weeks, not a few coolish grey days (the coldest day this week is set to be Wednesday, with a max of 4C).

 

Face it, they have continually been expecting colder weather to take hold, and the real world has consistently refused to play ball with whatever background signals they have been using. According to the January 7 ECM monthly maps we should now be in the second week of -3C temperature anomalies across the country!

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

I see where you are coming from Rob. That said, the MetO to be fair have not been not far off the mark with their thoughts from New Year's Eve when they predicted it turning colder in the third week/middle of January. Our last notably mild day here (by which I mean our last day with double-digit temperatures) was last Tuesday and from Wednesday onwards it has been notable colder in my area than it had been since before Christmas. So I would summise that since the middle of last week, it has turned generally colder than it was previously, even though it has not produced a major freeze and it will have been colder in some places than it others. Therefore to a degree, the MetO were correct in what they said at the end of December.

I understand that originally, they were expecting the cold to come early in January or possibly late December (although there was only ever an outside chance of the latter). It all seemed to depend on how long the area of HP that was either over or just to the south of the UK from around Christmas until the early part of last week hung around for. Since the middle of last week, it has retreated towards the Azores and this has allowed the more changeable N/NW pattern we now have to move in.


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Shropshire
21 January 2019 18:04:37

I think we will see the 'very cold' being dropped from the METO outlook in the coming days, you only get so many bites of the cherry and the Euro trough won't be there forever.

 


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doctormog
21 January 2019 18:07:09

I think we will see the 'very cold' being dropped from the METO outlook in the coming days, you only get so many bites of the cherry and the Euro trough won't be there forever.

 

Originally Posted by: Shropshire 

If you say it on a daily basis you will be right sometime.


Shropshire
21 January 2019 18:14:10

 

If you say it on a daily basis you will be right sometime.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

You could say the same about the METO - since late November and we are still waiting. It's now MID February for the 'very cold'.

 

 


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JACKO4EVER
21 January 2019 21:09:13

 

You could say the same about the METO - since late November and we are still waiting. It's now MID February for the 'very cold'.

 

 

Originally Posted by: Shropshire 

yes it could be another faux-pas equivalent to the “BBQ Summer “ escapade of a few years ago. 

Gavin D
21 January 2019 21:31:57

Into next week

Rather cold
Widespread frosts
Chance of rain and snow

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/features/46954592

Rob K
21 January 2019 22:15:51

 

You could say the same about the METO - since late November and we are still waiting. It's now MID February for the 'very cold'.

 

 

Originally Posted by: Shropshire 

Quite right. No doubt a few of the usual suspects will get a 2cm covering this week and the media will be duly dispatched to the Peak District or somewhere to take photos for all the ARCTIC BRITAIN front-page splashes.


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tallyho_83
21 January 2019 23:18:20
Now to contrast! - weather for the week ahead by Alex Deakin - Notice the showers for Tuesday seem more widespread than on BBC weather for the week ahead graphics!?


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tallyho_83
22 January 2019 08:55:33
Met office morning forecast show the snow/wintry showers more extensive anf widespread than on the BBC graphics:


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Gavin D
22 January 2019 11:56:47
Met office

UK Outlook for Sunday 27 Jan 2019 to Tuesday 5 Feb 2019:

Sunday will be cold with a mixture of sunny spells and scattered showers. The showers will arrive on a strong northerly wind, which will ease as the day progresses, and bring some snowfall over exposed northern hills. The snow may reach lower levels later in the day, especially across the northern half of the UK. Thereafter, the final few days of January and early February are likely to remain rather unsettled with brisk winds, outbreaks of rain and hill snow, as well as some showery interludes in between. It will remain cold for most with widespread overnight frosts as well as the risk of ice. Snow remains a possibility to lower levels, particularly in the north.

UK Outlook for Wednesday 6 Feb 2019 to Wednesday 20 Feb 2019:

The weather will continue to be mixed through early February with a continuation of the generally cold conditions. This will bring spells of rain and hill snow, interspersed by showery interludes, with a continued risk of snow to lower levels, especially in the north. As we head through February there is an increased chance of seeing very cold conditions developing with a greater probability of northerly or easterly winds. This will bring an increased risk of snow to all areas and more widespread frosts. In this scenario the driest conditions will be across the northwest, whilst the south could see wetter and occasionally milder spells, and these will bring a risk of some significant snow, but only if very cold air becomes established across much of the UK.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast 

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