Gavin D
03 November 2017 14:00:29
Met office update

UK Outlook for Wednesday 8 Nov 2017 to Friday 17 Nov 2017:

The weather will be rather unsettled through the end of next week, with bands of rain arriving from the northwest. However there will be drier and brighter interludes in between with a few showers. Rain is most likely in the northwest, with the southeast seeing the longest spells of dry and bright weather. It will be chilly through the period with frost and fog possible overnight where skies are clear and winds are light. In the north of the United Kingdom, snow is possible on some of the hills and mountains, and it will be windy at times too with gales possible. There is low confidence for the following week, but the weather is likely to remain changeable with the southeast seeing the best of the dry weather.

UK Outlook for Saturday 18 Nov 2017 to Saturday 2 Dec 2017:

Through the second half of November, the best of the fine and dry weather will be in the south, but with a chance of morning frost and fog. The north may well continue to see changeable conditions with spells of rain, but there will also be some drier interludes as well. However, it is possible that the weather will then become more settled across the whole of the UK as we head towards December, with a greater chance of cold and dry conditions. Temperatures may be a little colder than normal.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast 
Saint Snow
03 November 2017 17:12:35

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

Met office update
 However, it is possible that the weather wil8l then become more settled across the whole of the UK as we head towards December, with a greater chance of cold and dry conditions. Temperatures may be a little colder than normal.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast


 


Hmmmm... Interesting. If they're starting to see this signal so far out, then worth keeping an eye open.



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Brian Gaze
03 November 2017 17:17:37

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


">http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast


 


Hmmmm... Interesting. If they're starting to see this signal so far out, then worth keeping an eye open.



Yes I agree with that. Having said that a milder signal in the shorter term seems to be emerging from the GEFS and European ensembles.


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Gavin D
04 November 2017 12:36:11
Met office update

UK Outlook for Thursday 9 Nov 2017 to Saturday 18 Nov 2017:

The weather will be rather unsettled into the weekend, with bands of rain arriving from the northwest. However there will be drier and brighter interludes in between with a few showers. Rain is most likely in the northwest, with the southeast seeing the longest spells of dry and bright weather. It will be rather cold especially in the north in drier spells, so frost and fog are possible overnight where skies are clear and winds are light. Snow is possible on some northern hills and mountains, and it will be windy here at times too with gales possible. There is low confidence for the following week, but the weather is likely to remain changeable with the south seeing the best of any dry weather.

UK Outlook for Sunday 19 Nov 2017 to Sunday 3 Dec 2017:

Through the second half of November, the best of the fine and dry weather is most likely in the south, bringing a chance of morning frost and fog. The north may well continue to see changeable conditions with spells of rain, but there will also be some drier interludes as well. However, it is possible that the weather will then become more settled across the whole of the UK as we head towards December, with a greater chance of mainly dry weather. Temperatures overall may be a little colder than normal.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast%3C/div%3E%3C/div%3E 
Stolen Snowman
04 November 2017 16:41:34

I see the Daily Express has run a couple of stories recently along the lines of 'COLDEST WEATHER AHEAD SINCE TIME BEGAN' or something equally sensational and in block capitals...


Time to trot down to the bookies and put a few quid on a mild winter methinks 


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Gavin D
05 November 2017 12:39:51
Met office update

UK Outlook for Friday 10 Nov 2017 to Sunday 19 Nov 2017:

A band of rain is likely to move from the west and northwest in a east or southeasterly direction through Friday, although timings are uncertain at this range. Sunshine and showers will then follow through the weekend, the showers possibly turning wintry with some snow over high ground in the north. The best of the driest and brightest weather is likely in the south and southeast, especially on Sunday. It will be windy on Friday with gales possible in the northwest, with the winds easing through the weekend. Monday may be more settled with a changeable pattern then establishing through the rest of the week. There will be drier days interspersed with spells of rain. Temperatures will be generally near normal, but rather cold in settled spells with night frosts.

UK Outlook for Monday 20 Nov 2017 to Monday 4 Dec 2017:

Through the end of November, the best of the fine and dry weather is most likely in the south, bringing a chance of morning frost and fog. The north may well continue to see changeable conditions with spells of rain, but there will also be some drier interludes as well. However, it is possible that the weather will then become more settled across the whole of the UK as we head into the start of December, with a greater chance of mainly dry, settled weather. Temperatures will initially be near normal but with an increased chance of below normal temperatures later in the period, with an increased likelihood of frosts.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast 
Gavin D
06 November 2017 10:15:52
BBC monthly outlook

Monday 6 November—Sunday 12 November
Wet and windy at times

The working week will get off to a very cold start across many parts of England, Wales and eastern Scotland with clear skies and a widespread frost on Monday. The remainder of the day will be dry with pleasant sunny spells. Further to the northwest though, an Atlantic weather front will bring rain that will occasionally turn heavy, particularly across northwest Scotland, where the rain will also turn wintry over the mountain tops. Through Tuesday, the aforementioned weather front and its accompanying rain will drift slowly and erratically east across all parts of the UK but will weaken in the process. Winds will also strengthen for a time, with gales along exposed southern and western coasts of the UK. As the rain band clears east, a cool and showery airstream will edge in from the Atlantic.

By the middle of the week, it looks likely that a transitory spells of drier and brighter weather will affect all parts of the UK, at least for a time, as a ridge of high pressure traverses from west to east. across the country. The quieter weather will increase the risk of cold nights and patchy fog though, but at least there should be some fine and dry weather during the daylight hours for most. As we approach the end of the week and move into the weekend, it looks as if the jet stream will realign to push potentially relatively deep Atlantic low pressure systems across northern areas of the UK, bringing rain and hill-snow to northern areas of the UK, with some strong to gales force winds. Further south though, the influence of high pressure centred further to the southwest of the UK should permit drier and brighter days, but cold overnight periods.

Monday 13 November—Sunday 19 November
A similar autumnal theme, but settling down later?

At time of writing, the variety of forecasting tools and computer models at forecasters' disposal suggest that this period will begin on a very similar theme to that of the previous week. A relatively potent jet stream looks as if it will be aligned to drive Atlantic low pressure systems across or close to the north of the UK at times. Associated weather fronts will then most likely bring a good deal of wet and, at times, very windy weather to northern districts of the UK, with high pressure at more southern climbs maintaining a drier and brighter theme across the southern half of the UK, but with cold and potentially foggy nights. That said, the Atlantic weather systems could occasionally stray south too, so all areas will see rain at times. Between Atlantic weather systems, we anticipate cooler, showery interludes with sunny spells by day.

Any such showers present the threat of some wintry conditions over the highest ground across northwestern and northern parts of the UK. By the end of this period, there are strengthening signals from the computer forecasting models that suggest the high pressure centred to the south and west of the UK will start to drift further north and east. Such an eventuality could mean that the frequency at which Atlantic weather systems impinge on the UK will diminish significantly, resulting in a prevalence of drier, brighter days, and colder, foggier nights.

All in all, another spell of typically autumnal weather.
Monday 20 November—Sunday 3 December

A potentially cold start to winter?
The latest range of computer forecasting model data shows little consensus for the last few days of the climatological autumn and first few days of winter. In addition to the model uncertainty, some of the global climate systems that are known to affect weather conditions closer to home (such as the Madden Julian Oscillation) are also entering weak phases of their cycles, thus offering little steer on the sort of weather conditions we should expect during the period. Of the range of potential forecasts solutions though, those that develop slow moving areas of high pressure in the vicinity of the UK are currently favoured, which would likely mean an increasing chance of dry and relatively chilly weather, with sunny spells by day and the risk of fog by night.

Just to highlight the level of uncertainty in this period, it is worth noting that recent output from computer models that forecast the strength of the meteorological phenomenon called the stratospheric polar vortex show this feature strengthening during this period. Such a strengthening process would favour the return of wet and windy weather to the UK into the start of December. For the moment, on balance it looks as if winter will start on a cold, dry and potentially foggy theme, but as is so often the case with longer range forecasting, we await further information to firm up on our ideas for early winter.

Next week

Check out next week's monthly outlook as we start to firm up on the details for the start of winter!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2635167#outlook 
Gavin D
06 November 2017 12:03:16
Met office update

UK Outlook for Saturday 11 Nov 2017 to Monday 20 Nov 2017:

Cloud and some outbreaks of mainly light rain may be slow to clear southern UK on Saturday, but thereafter it will be a mix of sunshine and showers through the weekend, the showers probably turning wintry with some snow over high ground in the north. The driest and brightest conditions always being away from northern and western coastal areas. It will be breezy with a risk of gales in the north, temperatures will be near normal with an overnight frost risk. Monday may be more settled with a changeable pattern then becoming established through the rest of the week. There will be drier days interspersed with spells of rain. Temperatures will be generally near normal, but rather cold in settled spells with night frosts.

UK Outlook for Tuesday 21 Nov 2017 to Tuesday 5 Dec 2017:

There is an increasing signal that blocked patterns will become more dominant throughout this period. This will bring a greater chance of colder and drier conditions under the influence of high pressure. There will still be spells of rain and showers as fronts move across the UK, but these will be interspersed with drier, colder and brighter days. Temperatures will initially be near or slightly below normal but with an increased chance of below normal temperatures later in the period, with an increased likelihood of frosts.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast 
Ally Pally Snowman
06 November 2017 14:09:39

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

Met office update

UK Outlook for Saturday 11 Nov 2017 to Monday 20 Nov 2017:

Cloud and some outbreaks of mainly light rain may be slow to clear southern UK on Saturday, but thereafter it will be a mix of sunshine and showers through the weekend, the showers probably turning wintry with some snow over high ground in the north. The driest and brightest conditions always being away from northern and western coastal areas. It will be breezy with a risk of gales in the north, temperatures will be near normal with an overnight frost risk. Monday may be more settled with a changeable pattern then becoming established through the rest of the week. There will be drier days interspersed with spells of rain. Temperatures will be generally near normal, but rather cold in settled spells with night frosts.

UK Outlook for Tuesday 21 Nov 2017 to Tuesday 5 Dec 2017:

There is an increasing signal that blocked patterns will become more dominant throughout this period. This will bring a greater chance of colder and drier conditions under the influence of high pressure. There will still be spells of rain and showers as fronts move across the UK, but these will be interspersed with drier, colder and brighter days. Temperatures will initially be near or slightly below normal but with an increased chance of below normal temperatures later in the period, with an increased likelihood of frosts.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast


 


That's a very good update , Meto virtually cold ramping!


 


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Ally Pally Snowman
08 November 2017 15:11:12

First mention of the S word from the Meto. Not a bad place to be on the 8th November. 


 


 


UK Outlook for Thursday 23 Nov 2017 to Thursday 7 Dec 2017:


There is an increasing signal that blocked patterns will become more dominant throughout this period. This will bring a greater chance of colder and drier conditions under the influence of high pressure. There will still be spells of rain and showers as frontal systems move across the UK, but these will be interspersed with drier, colder and brighter days. There is also an increasing risk of snow at times, more especially in the north. Temperatures will initially be near or slightly below normal but with an increased chance of below normal temperatures later in the period, with an increased likelihood of overnight frosts.


 


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Solar Cycles
08 November 2017 15:13:45

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


First mention of the S word from the Meto. Not a bad place to be on the 8th November. 


 


 


UK Outlook for Thursday 23 Nov 2017 to Thursday 7 Dec 2017:


There is an increasing signal that blocked patterns will become more dominant throughout this period. This will bring a greater chance of colder and drier conditions under the influence of high pressure. There will still be spells of rain and showers as frontal systems move across the UK, but these will be interspersed with drier, colder and brighter days. There is also an increasing risk of snow at times, more especially in the north. Temperatures will initially be near or slightly below normal but with an increased chance of below normal temperatures later in the period, with an increased likelihood of overnight frosts.


 


Excellent stuff, now let’s hope the weather follows the narrative script. 😁

White Meadows
08 November 2017 20:53:52
Hi Ally, yes I’ve been resisting looking at model output and long range outlooks (plus I’ve been so busy) until yesterday when suddenly I switch on expecting the usual Ian Brown’s favourite front page headlines ...instead things look decidedly promising in the long range wording with strongish support from the models into the period of concern - late Nov onwards.

The way it reads is astonishingly close to how it did this time in 2010.

The PV should start becoming very disrupted soon and the NAO going negative.

Didn’t someone say our weather cycles in 7 year general system changes? “Cough”
Gavin D
09 November 2017 12:37:30
Met office update

UK Outlook for Tuesday 14 Nov 2017 to Thursday 23 Nov 2017:

A bright start in the southeast next Tuesday, but wet and windy weather will spread across the UK, with some heavier bursts possible in the northwest, before brighter showery conditions follow. Wednesday is likely to see a return of the cloudier conditions and outbreaks of rain for a time. Temperatures will generally be around normal, but rather cold in more settled spells, with overnight frosts. Thereafter, a changeable pattern is likely to remain established across the UK. There will be drier days interspersed with spells of rain, with the best of any drier and brighter weather in the south and east. Towards the end of the period there is an increasing chance of seeing generally colder, drier weather with a risk of snow in places, especially the north.

UK Outlook for Thursday 23 Nov 2017 to Thursday 7 Dec 2017:

There is an increasing signal that blocked patterns will become more dominant throughout this period. This will bring a greater chance of colder and drier conditions under the influence of high pressure. There will still be spells of rain and showers as frontal systems move across the UK, but these will be interspersed with drier, colder and brighter days. There is also an increasing risk of snow at times, more especially in the north. Temperatures will initially be near or slightly below normal but with an increased chance of below normal temperatures later in the period, with an increased likelihood of overnight frosts.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast 
Ally Pally Snowman
09 November 2017 14:24:37

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

Hi Ally, yes I’ve been resisting looking at model output and long range outlooks (plus I’ve been so busy) until yesterday when suddenly I switch on expecting the usual Ian Brown’s favourite front page headlines ...instead things look decidedly promising in the long range wording with strongish support from the models into the period of concern - late Nov onwards.

The way it reads is astonishingly close to how it did this time in 2010.

The PV should start becoming very disrupted soon and the NAO going negative.

Didn’t someone say our weather cycles in 7 year general system changes? “Cough”


 


Yes the cold signal has appeared quite quickly in the last couple of weeks . it's been a tough few years for us Coldies hopefully our luck is about to change, the Meto forecast is good but there is a long way to go yet.


 


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Whether Idle
09 November 2017 18:37:49

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


 


 


Yes the cold signal has appeared quite quickly in the last couple of weeks . it's been a tough few years for us Coldies hopefully our luck is about to change, the Meto forecast is good but there is a long way to go yet.


 



Wouldn't get your hopes up.  What the Met Office giveth they will just as quickly taketh away.  I think that forecast is living on borrowed time.


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Gandalf The White
09 November 2017 19:29:29

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


 


Wouldn't get your hopes up.  What the Met Office giveth they will just as quickly taketh away.  I think that forecast is living on borrowed time.




On what basis do you expect the forecast to change in the near future?   It is a bit of a cliche but the professionals have access to a lot more information than do we and they don't commit to predicting significant changes in the outlook without good reason.


 


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Gavin D
10 November 2017 15:17:51
Met office update

UK Outlook for Wednesday 15 Nov 2017 to Friday 24 Nov 2017:

A rather cloudy day is expected on Wednesday with some rain at times, although possibly brighter in the north for a time. The cloud and rain is expected to clear southeastwards through Thursday with brighter conditions following. Showers are likely in the west and northwest with possible snow over northern hills. Temperatures will generally be around normal, but rather cold in more settled spells, with overnight frosts. A changeable pattern is likely to remain over the weekend. There will be drier periods interspersed with spells of rain, with the best of any drier and brighter weather in the south and east. As we head into the following week there is an increasing chance of seeing generally colder, drier weather with a risk of snow in places, especially the north.

UK Outlook for Saturday 25 Nov 2017 to Saturday 9 Dec 2017:

There is low confidence in details through this period, however there is an increasing signal that high pressure will become more dominant. This will bring a greater chance of colder and drier conditions, but also the risk of overnight frost and fog. There will still be spells of rain and showers as frontal systems move across the UK, but these will be interspersed with drier, colder and brighter days. There is also an increased risk of snow at times, more especially in the north. Temperatures look like being below normal generally, with an increased chance of frost through the period.

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast 
Gooner
10 November 2017 15:37:49

Why are we on borrowed time ?? Until that forecast changes you have to accept colder weather could greet us at the end of the month


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Tim A
10 November 2017 15:58:59
It's worth remembering that the forecast says both "low confidence in the details throughout this period" and "increased risk of snow at times."

So they are not saying it is definitely going to snow or be cold, they don't know. Just that the signals at present increase the risk of colder weather and snow over normal. Which is a fair assessment of the model output even we have access to with increased northern blocking.

If the forecast changes next week, I wont be bashing the Met Office, they are just presenting the current probabilities based on current evidence.

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doctormog
10 November 2017 16:45:40

Originally Posted by: Tim A 

It's worth remembering that the forecast says both "low confidence in the details throughout this period" and "increased risk of snow at times."

So they are not saying it is definitely going to snow or be cold, they don't know. Just that the signals at present increase the risk of colder weather and snow over normal. Which is a fair assessment of the model output even we have access to with increased northern blocking.

If the forecast changes next week, I wont be bashing the Met Office, they are just presenting the current probabilities based on current evidence.



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