doctormog
20 October 2017 10:37:36
It must have taken a lot of effort to change the year from 2016 to 2017....
howham
20 October 2017 10:42:00

“We feel snow events will almost certainly be undervalued until or after they happen over the next few months.”


 


What does that even mean? 

Gavin D
22 October 2017 09:28:55
Met office update

UK Outlook for Thursday 26 Oct 2017 to Saturday 4 Nov 2017:

The north and northwest will be cloudy and windy on Thursday with rain at times, and rain may affect other western areas for a time on Friday. Elsewhere it will be a mostly dry end to the week, with southern and southeastern parts seeing the best of any sunshine, although some stubborn overnight fog patches are also possible here. Temperatures will generally be above average and it could become very warm in these sunnier areas. Thereafter the weather is generally expected to become less settled. The north and northwest should see the wettest and windiest of the weather though, with some drier spells expected to develop towards the southeast. Temperatures are most likely to start above normal, although could trend downwards through the period.

UK Outlook for Sunday 5 Nov 2017 to Sunday 19 Nov 2017:

There is an increasing chance that the weather will become more settled during this period, especially across southern parts of the British Isles. As a result frost and fog could become more likely. The north may continue to have more unsettled conditions though. Temperatures are most likely to be near or slightly above average, although probably below normal in some of the more settled spells, especially where any overnight fog proves slow to clear.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast 
Gavin D
23 October 2017 09:21:45
BBC monthly outlook

Monday 23 October—Sunday 29 October
A brief warm spell in the south, perhaps?

The working week will begin on a rather cloudy note for most parts as an Atlantic weather front slowly moves from west to east, bringing outbreaks of rain. Through Monday afternoon clearer skies will push in from the west, bringing a bright end to the day for all with lighter winds than of late.

Through Tuesday and Wednesday, a distinct north/south split in weather conditions is anticipated to develop across the UK. A conveyor of warm and moist Atlantic air will spread into the southern half of the UK from the southwest in the form of a waving weather front. The exact form and position of this front is posing a significant problem for forecasters at present. However, at the time of writing the general consensus is that the wettest weather will be across parts of southwest England and Wales, with southeast England and East Anglia remaining largely cloudy with occasional spells of rain. Further north, skies will often be brighter, but frequent showers and blustery winds will likely affect Northern Ireland and Scotland at times.

Through Thursday, an uncertain jet stream developments out in the mid-Atlantic which will have the affect of backing winds to southerlies. The resulting warm southerly winds will likely push the aforementioned waving weather front north into Northern Ireland and Scotland, bringing rain to these areas. There will be warmer, humid and generally cloudy conditions across the southern half of the UK. Should cloud break in the south though, we could register temperatures into the low 20s in one or two spots.

Through Friday and into next weekend, it currently looks as if any warm spell in the south will be relatively short-lived. This is due to a developing jet stream, this time to the north of the UK, pushing the same weather front all the way south and east again, opening the door to some fresh north to northwesterly winds and showers for the weekend. Showers will be most frequent in the northwest.

Monday 30 October—Sunday 5 November
Settling down? Not for Long!

At time of writing, the latest computer forecasting models suggest that the last few days of October will likely end on a showery note as an area of low pressure to the east of the UK influences our weather. Such a weather set up will also likely result in a reasonably brisk north to northwesterly wind, giving distinctly average temperatures, and perhaps a cool feel at times. At the same time, the majority of models hold a ridge of high pressure just to the west of the UK. There is a small chance that this ridge of high pressure may just drift eastwards closer to or in fact over the UK, which would allow for a brief spell of dry and bright weather by day, but also with accompanying chilly nights and patchy overnight frost and fog.

Regardless of whether the ridge brings a brief drier spell, eventually, as we move into the first full week of November, the majority of model output hints on the resumption of a theme of westerly winds. Further Atlantic weather fronts are expected to sweep in from the west to bring unsettled weather to all parts of the UK at times.

Monday 6 November—Sunday 19 November
Becoming drier and chillier into November?

There is always a significant degree of uncertainty in longer term weather forecasts, and this week's attempts are no exception. That said, our models are giving a weak indication that as we head into mid-November, the Atlantic jet stream will weaken slightly and begin to meander further north and south. Such positioning of the jet will likely mean that pressure will tend to be higher than average near or over the UK. An high pressure in the vicinity of the UK during November often results in drier than average conditions, with chilly nights that often yield frost and fog. So, as we head into mid-November, at time of writing, the feeling is that we could be in for a spell of bright and dry days, with a few chilly nights.

A natural phenomena which we can observe across the other side of the world is lending weight to the forecast described. The Madden Julian Oscillation (or MJO) is a climate system that, broadly speaking, occurs in a cycle across the Indian Ocean and Pacific Ocean. Identifying patterns in rainfall across this area of the globe can give forecasters insight into how weather conditions will likely pan out nearer to our shores in a few weeks' time. Analysis of the current phase of the MJO would suggest a build of pressure near the UK by mid-November, which ties in nicely with computer model predictions. We will of course keep you updated as to how the forecast develops here at the BBC Weather Centre.

Next week

Will there be any sign of really cold weather for the end of November in the next edition of the monthly outlook? Stay in touch with the BBC Weather Centre to find out the details.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2635167#outlook 
Gavin D
23 October 2017 12:40:21
Met office update

UK Outlook for Saturday 28 Oct 2017 to Monday 6 Nov 2017:

The weekend will be mainly dry and bright in the south and west but cloudier with rain or showers in the north and east. It will be breezy, with gales possible in the north. Temperatures will be lower than this week, perhaps bringing overnight frost in places. Next week the weather is likely to become changeable again and sometimes windy, with rain bands crossing the country, interspersed by brighter, showery weather. The north is likely to get the wettest and windiest weather. It will probably become a good deal colder than of late, bringing an increased risk of early morning frosts across the country. There is also a chance of snow over high ground in Scotland, and perhaps at lower levels in the far north as the wind turns northerly.

UK Outlook for Tuesday 7 Nov 2017 to Tuesday 21 Nov 2017:

There is an increasing chance that the weather will become more settled during this period, especially across southern parts of the British Isles. As a result frost and fog will become more likely. The north may continue to have more changeable weather though. Temperatures are most likely to be near average, although probably below normal in some of the more settled spells, especially where any overnight fog proves slow to clear.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast 
doctormog
23 October 2017 13:15:23
“There is also a chance of snow over high ground in Scotland, and perhaps at lower levels in the far north as the wind turns northerly.“

Interesting and fits with the current model output. I wonder what the reality will be like when the time comes.
Whether Idle
23 October 2017 16:56:19

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

“There is also a chance of snow over high ground in Scotland, and perhaps at lower levels in the far north as the wind turns northerly.“

Interesting and fits with the current model output. I wonder what the reality will be like when the time comes.


I hope this transpires.  Could do with some snow pictures.  I am beginning to forget what snow looks and feels like.


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doctormog
23 October 2017 17:11:34

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


 


I hope this transpires.  Could do with some snow pictures.  I am beginning to forget what snow looks and feels like.



Me too (although I may need to head up a hill to find some this time round) 


Gavin D
24 October 2017 11:46:10
Met office update

UK Outlook for Sunday 29 Oct 2017 to Tuesday 7 Nov 2017:
On Sunday and through next week, the weather will be changeable with frequent showers in the north and east, and the best of the drier and brighter conditions in the south and west. There will be bands of rain moving east or southeastwards at times bringing windier conditions, with an increasing chance of gales, especially in the north. Temperatures will be lower than this week, bringing a risk of overnight frost in many places, but most likely in the north. There is a chance of some snow, over high ground in Scotland, as the wind turns northerly and brings colder air across the UK at times. Into the second week of November, there is a chance of more prolonged settled spells, bringing an increased risk of overnight frost and fog.

UK Outlook for Wednesday 8 Nov 2017 to Wednesday 22 Nov 2017:
There is an increasing chance that the weather will become more settled during this period, especially across southern parts of the British Isles. As a result frost and fog will become more likely. The north may continue to have changeable conditions with the dry and bright weather interspersed with rain at times. Temperatures are most likely to be near average, although probably a little colder in some of the more settled spells, especially where any overnight fog is slow to clear.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast 
tallyho_83
25 October 2017 00:44:04
Meanwhile Los Angeles is experiencing temperatures of +40c:

https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/los-angeles-ca/90012/weather-forecast/347625 


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Gavin D
25 October 2017 11:08:21
UK SNOW MAP: Latest model shows Britain FREEZING – November forecast LIVE

A SHOCKING forecast shows a swathe of cold air quickly approaching Britain as forecasters issue snow warnings for as early as next week.

Snow charts from Weather Outlook show Scotland could be in the firing line for a lashing of the white stuff on November 5.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/weather/870436/Weather-warning-snow-map-update-uk-met-office-forecast-britain-scotland-cold-front-video 
Gavin D
27 October 2017 11:27:38
Met office update

UK Outlook for Wednesday 1 Nov 2017 to Friday 10 Nov 2017:

November will begin fairly cloudy with Wednesday seeing outbreaks of rain and drizzle in the north and west, with the best of any brightness likely in the south and east. It may turn windier from the north on Thursday with blustery showers, these perhaps wintry over northern hills. A mixed weather pattern may continue through early November with outbreaks of rain, heaviest in the northwest, slowly crossing the UK, followed by brighter and showery conditions. It is likely to remain rather cold with occasional frosts overnight. By the end of the first week there is an increasing chance that the weather may become more settled, with longer spells of drier and brighter weather. However, this will bring the risk of more widespread overnight frost and fog, particularly in the south.

UK Outlook for Saturday 11 Nov 2017 to Saturday 25 Nov 2017:

As we head towards the middle of November the weather will probably remain mainly settled, particularly across southern parts of the UK. This will bring plenty of fine and dry weather, but with a chance of frost and fog overnight. The north may well continue to see changeable conditions at times, with spells of rain, but also some drier interludes as well. Later in the month, it is possible that the weather will become more unsettled again bringing outbreaks of rain and strong winds, especially in the northwest. Temperatures will be close to normal for many, although under any prolonged settled spells they may be slightly colder than normal.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast 
Gavin D
29 October 2017 12:49:38
Met office update

UK Outlook for Friday 3 Nov 2017 to Sunday 12 Nov 2017:

Early November will turn increasingly unsettled across the UK. Cloud and outbreaks of rain will arrive in the west on Friday, steadily moving eastwards through the day. It may be windy at times, with a risk of gales in the north. Rain is likely to clear away by Saturday, replaced with sunshine and showers, some of which will turn wintry over higher ground in the north. The weather is likely to remain changeable thereafter, with wind and rain at times, interspersed by drier, brighter and showery conditions. Wintry showers are also possible over Scottish high ground. There is a chance that the weather may become generally drier, especially in the south and perhaps later in this period. Temperatures will generally be slightly below average, with the risk of overnight frost.

UK Outlook for Monday 13 Nov 2017 to Monday 27 Nov 2017:

As we head towards the middle of November, more settled weather in the south may become more widespread, bringing plenty of fine and dry weather, but with a chance of frost and fog overnight. The far north may well continue to see changeable conditions, with spells of rain, but also some drier interludes as well. Later in the month, it is possible that the weather will become more unsettled again bringing outbreaks of rain and strong winds, especially in the northwest. Temperatures will be a little colder than normal under any prolonged settled spells, however later in the month as it turns more unsettled they are likely to return closer to normal.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast 
ARTzeman
29 October 2017 13:06:32

All in cold month to come then. 






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Retron
30 October 2017 03:39:44
An interesting snippet from the local rag. There's an article about how a local hospital is considering mobile morgues, to cope with the expected number of excess deaths this winter.

"A hospital trust may bring in a mobile morgue to deal with an increase in the number of deaths it expects this winter.

Plans published by Maidstone and Tunbridge Wells NHS Trust (MTW) reveal it is allocating space to store an extra 100 bodies, both in the hospitals and by using other organisations like funeral directors."

That's not unusual in itself (as it points more to the hospital being rammed, rather than anything else), but there's an interesting snippet further down:

"Some drivers will also receive training in using 4x4 cars to cope with freezing temperatures expected to hit after Christmas."

Now, you don't use 4x4 cars when there's a slight frost. I wonder where they're getting that forecast from?

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/maidstone/news/trust-considers-bringing-in-mobile-134324/ 
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Nordic Snowman
30 October 2017 08:10:48
Solar Cycles
30 October 2017 09:34:28

Originally Posted by: Nordic Snowman 


Following on from Darren, maybe they know something that we don't?


Off and running once again 


https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/weather/uk-weather-worst-winter-for-5-years-on-the-way-with-temperatures-set-to-plummet-to-minus-11/ar-AAucodl?li=AAmiR2Z&ocid=spartandhp


 


 


Worst for five years...... 😂😂😂😂😂 


The last five years here have been bobbins so I won’t be rushing out stocking up on essentials just yet. 😜

Gavin D
30 October 2017 11:08:25
BBC monthly outlook

Monday 30 October—Sunday 5 November
No weather fireworks

We have seen very little frost so far this autumn but this week begins with the first widespread frost of the season. It will also be a dry bright start to the week before changing back to cloudy, milder weather. This change will begin to take place across Scotland and Northern Ireland later on Monday with outbreaks of rain edging in. The cloudy, milder weather then extending across England and Wales on Tuesday although the rain will be mostly over northern England with many other areas staying dry. The middle part of the week will stay mostly cloudy with further rain, mainly in the north and fresh westerly winds keeping temperatures on the mild side. As we go into the latter part of this week, the drier, brighter, colder side of autumn will make a return. Colder northwesterly winds will extend to all parts on Thursday with sunny spells followed by a frost on Thursday night. The weather will turn more unsettled in the north on Friday and in many areas next weekend. Stronger winds with blustery showers, most frequent and heavy at times in the north and west and falling as snow over the hills of Scotland.

Monday 6 November—Sunday 12 November
Typically autumnal

The changeable weather pattern looks set to continue into the second week of November with no sign of anything too dramatic weather-wise. There will be areas of low pressure passing close to the British Isles bringing spells of wet and windy weather. The strongest winds and heaviest rain will be over western Scotland and perhaps Northern Ireland with winds reaching gale force at times. There will also be colder, showery interludes with the showers falling as snow over the hills in the north. The best of the drier and brighter weather will be across the south and east of England. Temporary ridges of high pressure with a few drier, colder interludes with a frost.

Monday 13 November—Sunday 26 November
High pressure never far away

As we move into the second half of November, the weather systems will become slow moving with longer settled spells and high pressure building close to the British Isles. So although we will continue to see some changeable conditions with outbreaks of rain and stronger winds, there will be larger gaps between these weather systems with high pressure bringing quieter interludes. However, high pressure at this time of year brings its own set of problems, light winds and clear skies will lead to a widespread frost at nights and there will also be fog patches which will be slow to clear. Daytime temperatures will also be a little below normal during these quieter spells.

Next week

As we move into the meteorological winter, any sign of more wintry weather?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2635167#outlook 
Gavin D
01 November 2017 12:49:19
Met office update

UK Outlook for Monday 6 Nov 2017 to Wednesday 15 Nov 2017:

It will be a cold start to next week with a widespread frost and some fog patches possible on Monday morning, with a mostly settled day to follow. However, later on Monday night and into the rest of the week the weather is likely to become more changeable, with strong winds and rain or showers expected at times, especially in the northwest. Snow is possible across the hills and mountains in the northern half of the UK, but is unlikely elsewhere. More settled spells are likely too, especially across southern parts of the UK. Although the south has the greatest chance of staying dry, rain cannot be ruled out at times here too. It will generally be feeling chilly throughout. with fog and frost forming where skies are clear overnight.

UK Outlook for Thursday 16 Nov 2017 to Thursday 30 Nov 2017:

As we head towards the middle of November, confidence is very low. However settled conditions may occur or persist for a time, bringing plenty of fine and dry weather, but with a chance of morning frost and fog. The far north may well continue to see changeable conditions, with spells of rain, but also some drier interludes as well. However, it is possible that the weather will soon become more unsettled again into the second half of November bringing outbreaks of rain and strong winds, especially in the northwest. Temperatures will be a little colder than normal under any prolonged settled spells, however later in the month as it turns more unsettled they are likely to return closer to normal.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/forecast 
ARTzeman
02 November 2017 16:06:04

Like the output. All November conditions..... 






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