Nothing to look forward to up here either if the past four winters and this wretched November are anything to go by. Wish I'd spent the whole month in the Canaries and come February I'll no doubt be feeling the same about winter. 

This northerly is the biggest joke I’ve encountered in all my years weather watching. Nothing wintry at all and just a few days from December. More concerning there is hardly any precipitation anyway so even if it occurred further into the winter we’d be lucky to get more than a dusting. Just a total joke. Northerlies used to bring frequent heavy showers all day long not this useless garbage

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I see that we're "back on" this afternoon (until the ECM comes out). 

  And the MO thread is a thrilling ride. Up and down, twists and turns.  I have to admit to getting a little carried away at times and allowing myself the occasional hope - like now!  I can’t read charts so I rely on what you experts say and I do get excited when you all pretty much agree, which isn’t often. 

The ones I love most are those sensible ones who say ‘but it’s at 1,498 hours so we can’t take it as read’. Then turn unsensible and get annoyed at the charts for snatching it away the next day.   Priceless!  

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Another winter beckons and I'm sick of it already ! 

The 5 month autumn has now kicked in down in the south..the only difference for the next 2 months is that it gets darker with it.

For the north its exciting...for the south watching reload after reload with fantastic looking northerlies and 850's at the south coast barely falling to -5c is tiresome already.

Thursday this week was looking ok for a little snow down here in the SE as the wind tilted back to a more NNE'ly at the same time as a colder pool of uppers moved down. Now its NW'ly all the way and predominantly dry. By Friday the wind does tilt into the NE but the 850Hpa's are modified and uppers of -5c or -6c will now bring rain.

I feel myself getting sucked into the game again. In the past I would be fatigued by early February, these days I'm done by December.

We don't get cold enough northerlies and we no longer get midwinter easterlies. 

Silly, stupid season ! .

Have a read of Richard (abdn)- I'm not sure his version of events would line up well with yours!

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Nothing to look forward to up here either if the past four winters and this wretched November are anything to go by. Wish I'd spent the whole month in the Canaries and come February I'll no doubt be feeling the same about winter. 

This northerly is the biggest joke I’ve encountered in all my years weather watching. Nothing wintry at all and just a few days from December. More concerning there is hardly any precipitation anyway so even if it occurred further into the winter we’d be lucky to get more than a dusting. Just a total joke. Northerlies used to bring frequent heavy showers all day long not this useless garbage

Well said Richard, these northerlies are as much use as a fart in a spacesuit, a chocolate fireguard or a spark in a gas filled room.

Northerlies are now utter shite.  Easterlies dont seem to happen.  Lowland Snow is rapidly becoming something we used to get occasionally in the past,and is now consigned to Christmas Cards or the front page of the Daily Express, read as it is, largely by victims of senile dementia.

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Another winter beckons and I'm sick of it already ! 

The 5 month autumn has now kicked in down in the south..the only difference for the next 2 months is that it gets darker with it.

For the north its exciting...for the south watching reload after reload with fantastic looking northerlies and 850's at the south coast barely falling to -5c is tiresome already.

Thursday this week was looking ok for a little snow down here in the SE as the wind tilted back to a more NNE'ly at the same time as a colder pool of uppers moved down. Now its NW'ly all the way and predominantly dry. By Friday the wind does tilt into the NE but the 850Hpa's are modified and uppers of -5c or -6c will now bring rain.

I feel myself getting sucked into the game again. In the past I would be fatigued by early February, these days I'm done by December.

We don't get cold enough northerlies and we no longer get midwinter easterlies. 

Silly, stupid season ! .

I'm actually seeing a few signs now that it might not be so exciting in the northern half of the UK (I'm sure that you will be including Scotland as part of the "north" unless you're only talking about the north of England) after all, as a lot of the models now seem to have backed off a bit from that return to the northerlies which has been hinted at after that milder (or rather, less cold since it isn't forecast to get all that mild) spell which is forecast for the end of the week and the weekend.

This is just typical of what you see all the time when the forecast models promise a really cold spell coming up only for them to then back away from that, and for that really cold spell to never materialise in the end. This is the same sort of thing which also happens during the summer when the models promise a heatwave ahead of us which then, never actually happens.

The summer which we entered into six months ago was the perfect example of that because back then, I lost count of the number of times when according to the models, we were going to get a massive build of high pressure from the Azores and the promise of drier weather and a heatwave from that which of course, never actually happened.

In the end, the South of England did get a decent first half to the summer but for here, we ended up having a very poor summer with our wettest June on record, every single summer month coming out wetter than average and at least one of our summer months being cooler than average. If that doesn't tell you anything about how reliable these models are (especially further into the less reliable time frame) then nothing will.

Having said that though, there are still no signs on the horizon of the sort of mild, wet and stormy weather which has dominated our recent winters with the exception of last winter (although even that was still mild) and that at least, has to be something to be positive about.

 

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Well said Richard, these northerlies are as much use as a fart in a spacesuit, a chocolate fireguard or a spark in a gas filled room.

Northerlies are now utter shite.  Easterlies dont seem to happen.  Lowland Snow is rapidly becoming something we used to get occasionally in the past,and is now consigned to Christmas Cards or the front page of the Daily Express, read as it is, largely by victims of senile dementia.

Hang on a minute. I seem to remember these same things being said at this time back in 2009 and of course, we all know what happened after that.

 

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Hang on a minute. I seem to remember these same things being said at this time back in 2009 and of course, we all know what happened after that.

 

Those living south of the Thames don't know (or at least didn't experience) what happened after that.

As the thread title says, it's a southern thing

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Those living south of the Thames don't know (or at least didn't experience) what happened after that.

As the thread title says, it's a southern thing

I live well south of the Thames and I had the deepest snow in almost 30 years just 6 days after 2009!

 

Granted the following winter (Nov/Dec 2010) wasn't as good but we did still have snow on the ground for Christmas. And then March 2013 also gave a decent snowy spell, enough to go sledging.

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This thread might have the sub-heading of "it's a southern thing" but it doesn't feel like "just a southern thing to me". When you come to Edinburgh, it has a lot of good things about it. We have our festivals after all as well as a really good football team, and even some nice scenery on our doorstep. There are very few cities after all, which have a big massive hill (which in this case, is Arthur's Seat and Salisbury Crags) virtually right within its city centre.

When it comes to the weather though, it is a different matter altogether as this has to be the most boring place that you can think of when it comes to the weather (even Jerry from Morningside hinted on the weather never really being all that extreme as being a plus point) but herein for me lies the problem, because there is just not enough going on here with regards to the weather and I am sick to the back teeth of just about everyone else on these forums getting all of the interesting weather which is around whilst we here in Edinburgh get absolutely none of that.

Even this current non-event of a so-called "cold" spell is a casing point here since there has already been at least post (as I write) where the person in question has had an overcast. Yet, we are stuck with cloudy skies and temperatures of 2.9°C at Edinburgh Gogarbank, 3°C at Edinburgh Airport and 4.1°C at the botanic gardens in Edinburgh (which isn't even cold for this time of year) as at 6am this morning and absolutely nothing in the way of even a ground frost.

When a lot of other posters were reporting a lot of rain especially during the early part of the autumn, we didn't get anywhere near as much as that here and whilst a lot of posters have already reported getting a bit of snow during this current season, we have had absolutely nothing in the way of snow here so far and have still not had a single bit of snow here since 2010. Other posters might be unhappy about getting nothing more than a mere flurry of snow but me, I would just be happy if we could at least get that (which if course, we don't these days).

One thing which commonly occurs here during the winter months is that there might be a lot of snow outside of the city which then results in a lot of vehicles showing a good covering when they come into the city, whilst the north of the city (which is where I live) in particular, has nothing at all. It has been said on many occasions that I often don't need to go far to get that, but it is the fact that I have to go anywhere else at all that I have the greatest issue with since I would much rather be getting those weather conditions right here on my doorstep and to me, the fact that I do have to go elsewhere for that (even if that is relatively nearby) is just yet another example of just everyone else getting that more interesting weather except for here.

From that, I think that we can clearly see that this isn't just a "southern" thing as others might put it.

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Facebook just showed me this photo I took seven years ago, showing the extreme snowfall of 2010.

 

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Facebook just showed me this photo I took seven years ago, showing the extreme snowfall of 2010.

 

 

I had some cracking pictures of my snowy trip to York on the last Sunday in November that year - real 'once in a lifetime' stuff.

Then went and left my phone on the train on the way home from the work's Xmas do after falling asleep and waking just as it pulled into the station after my own and then leaping off. Could have wept (in fact, in my drunken state, I think I possible did do ).

 

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Facebook just showed me this photo I took seven years ago, showing the extreme snowfall of 2010.

 

At least it settled.

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I really do hate the low sun at this time of year. My bedroom is south-facing so the stupid angle of the sun makes it really hard to sleep in the run-up to Christmas, when I'm on nights. This is the one time of year where I just want it to be cloudy.

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I really do hate the low sun at this time of year. My bedroom is south-facing so the stupid angle of the sun makes it really hard to sleep in the run-up to Christmas, when I'm on nights. This is the one time of year where I just want it to be cloudy.

Have you tried putting up some black-out curtains there? I have the same problem during the summer with the Sun shining right into my bedroom windows at just after 4:30am (that is of course, on those few occasions where we actually get some sunshine here during the summer since this is Scotland after all) since my bedroom window faces east. However, I find that black-out curtains help quite a lot with keeping that sunshine out, so they could help you as well.

 

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Surely there must be a good chance of a completely frost free month or even winter. Not just on the South Coast but up here as well.

This abomination of a November has shown that we wouldn't even need the sort of rancid southerly synoptics of the past two Decembers for that to come off.

We have a thin covering of snow here, a clear sky and a northerly. Not even that windy yet the temperature is stuck on +0.6C and has been for over a half an hour. If it won't go below freezing under this then what the hell would it actually take?

There just isn't the words to adequately describe how crap this is

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Surely there must be a good chance of a completely frost free month or even winter. Not just on the South Coast but up here as well.

This abomination of a November has shown that we wouldn't even need the sort of rancid southerly synoptics of the past two Decembers for that to come off.

We have a thin covering of snow here, a clear sky and a northerly. Not even that windy yet the temperature is stuck on +0.6C and has been for over a half an hour. If it won't go below freezing under this then what the hell would it actually take?

There just isn't the words to adequately describe how crap this is

I have a feeling though, that this might be the best that you get for a while so I would make the most of it I was you. Tomorrow is forecast to be another so-called "cold" day and even most of Friday as well. However, we then have a very weak warm front coming in from the north-west after that which is forecast to bring milder air behind it. In other words, we go into the start of the actual winter and then, it's a case of normal service resumed once again with the milder weather coming back which is just typical.

 

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Clear and sunny forecast here, so I suppose I shouldn't grumble, but it is frustrating to see extensive snow forecast just across the Channel SOUTH of us. Yes, I can see why a warm Channel and a cold northerly would produce snow showers there, but still ...

https://www.netweather.tv/charts-and-data/snow-risk

To add insult to injury, the same link has a feature in which it forecasts heavy snow for the south of England, always in its last two frames a permanent fortnight ahead

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Last day of Autumn and we’re already two pages in on the winter moaning thread. 😂😂😂😂

Surely there must be a good chance of a completely frost free month or even winter. Not just on the South Coast but up here as well.

This abomination of a November has shown that we wouldn't even need the sort of rancid southerly synoptics of the past two Decembers for that to come off.

We have a thin covering of snow here, a clear sky and a northerly. Not even that windy yet the temperature is stuck on +0.6C and has been for over a half an hour. If it won't go below freezing under this then what the hell would it actually take?

There just isn't the words to adequately describe how crap this is

A serious question for you Richard: Are you EVER happy with any of the weather you get these days?

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A serious question for you Richard: Are you EVER happy with any of the weather you get these days?

Actually, if you saw the pictures which he posted onto the snow reports thread, you will see that it might actually be possible for him to be happy with the weather in his part of the world after all.

If anything, I would probably say that I actually have the greatest reason to be unhappy amongst all of the Scottish members since we still haven't had any snow here in Edinburgh during November since 2010 and to make matters worse, I probably wouldn't even be surprised if this is the only remaining place in Scotland to have never seen any snow during this month which as far as I'm concerned, is just typical of how things seem to go these days I suppose.

 

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