Yes it it did Brian taken from the G at the time

Parts of south-east England had more than an inch of snow last night while London experienced its first October snowfall in more than 70 years as winter conditions arrived early.

Snow settled on the ground in parts of the capital last night as temperatures dipped below zero. A Met Office spokeswoman said it was London's first October snow since 1934.

For greater south-east of England it was the first October snow since 1974. High Wycombe in Buckinghamshire had 3cm (1.2 inches). One of the coldest temperatures recorded was -4.1C in Benson, Oxfordshire.

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/oct/29/weather-london

 

 

I'm not sure. It snowed here which is 25 miles northwest of central London. 

Yes it it did Brian taken from the G at the time

Parts of south-east England had more than an inch of snow last night while London experienced its first October snowfall in more than 70 years as winter conditions arrived early.

Snow settled on the ground in parts of the capital last night as temperatures dipped below zero. A Met Office spokeswoman said it was London's first October snow since 1934.

For greater south-east of England it was the first October snow since 1974. High Wycombe in Buckinghamshire had 3cm (1.2 inches). One of the coldest temperatures recorded was -4.1C in Benson, Oxfordshire.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2008/oct/29/weather-london

That article refers to 2008, not 2012. I know there was snow in central London in October 2008 because I was working there at the time and took some pictures in Regents Park. You can see them here:

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twoother/twocontent.aspx?type=bg&id=1681

 

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That article refers to 2008, not 2012. I know there was snow in central London in October 2008 because I was working there at the time and took some pictures in Regents Park. You can see them here:

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twoother/twocontent.aspx?type=bg&id=1681

 

 

Alot of trees still in full leaf there too.

 

just shows how rare an event that was.

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Apologies Brian thought you were talking about the later anyway had a look at the met archive nothing noted for the city October 2012

 

 https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/summaries/2012/october

 

 

That article refers to 2008, not 2012. I know there was snow in central London in October 2008 because I was working there at the time and took some pictures in Regents Park. You can see them here:

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twoother/twocontent.aspx?type=bg&id=1681

 

 

Didn't snow fall in some southern counties in late October 2008 Q, say around Halloween? I seem to remember there being quite a bit of discussion about that on this forum around that time.

There certainly was a chilly flow on the 28th of that month David. 

If I remember correctly, there was snow over here, albeit quite slushy and brief, over much of Ulster & Leinster in particular towards the Hallowe'en period that year. 

Edit: made chart smaller as looked oddly squashed at full size. 

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Links to the charts won't open so I'll just say that there's a broad swathe of sub minus 5 850s forecast for about 2nd November, with Scandi low pushing in: very unusual to have LP -5 right at the start of the month here with LP so influential. Even 1980's early November chiller was mostly HP driven. This is definitely something to watch.

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http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfse_cartes.php?ech=204&code=code&mode=0&mode3h=0&runpara=0&carte=1

Stange that James said that the other day try clear formatting before you start to type just a thought.

Links to the charts won't open so I'll just say that there's a broad swathe of sub minus 5 850s forecast for about 2nd November, with Scandi low pushing in: very unusual to have LP -5 right at the start of the month here with LP so influential. Even 1980's early November chiller was mostly HP driven. This is definitely something to watch.

Nah looks better here 

 

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/reana/2008/archivesnh-2008-10-28-0-0.png

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/reana/2008/archivesnh-2008-10-28-0-1.png

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/reana/2008/archivesnh-2008-10-28-0-2.png

 

 

 

 

There certainly was a chilly flow on the 28th of that month David. 

If I remember correctly, there was snow over here, albeit quite slushy and brief, over much of Ulster & Leinster in particular towards the Hallowe'en period that year. 

Edit: made chart smaller as looked oddly squashed at full size. 

This could be winter. By that I don't mean a spell of wintry weather, I mean it could be our winter! One can never tell but there are a number of runs bringing the cold air into the south next week!

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ECM v GFS let the battle commense

 

 

Actually it’s more ECM op run against: the GFS op run, ECM ensemble mean and GEM op run. At this stage it is all rather academic but as the 00z ECM also showed an GFS type scenario the ECM 12z op run is very much in the minority. So no, it’s not as simple as GFS v ECM.

Here are the ECM 00z op run at 240hr and ECM 12z mean at 240hrs respectively.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMOPEU00_240_1.png 

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/ECMAVGEU12_240_1.png 

Some form of northerly incursion looks like the most likely outcome based on current evidence. How cool, extensive or widespread is too difficult to say at the moment (and of course there are all the usual caveats given the timescale).

A cool start to November is more probable than a mild one based on today’s output.

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Could be similar to Nov 1985 spell?

This year looks more interesting already lol

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November looks like starting on a chilly note 

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This year looks more interesting already lol

Indeed Marcus. Everything just looks and feels different already. I think we are in for an exciting season of model watching and it could be about to start.

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Upland Britain seeing its first snow on 4 Nov? and a few lowland areas too, I shouldn't wonder, even if it's a bit early to settle

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=0&ech=264&mode=0&carte=

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=0&ech=288&mode=0&carte=

If only ...

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Upland Britain seeing its first snow on 4 Nov? and a few lowland areas too, I shouldn't wonder, even if it's a bit early to settle

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=0&ech=264&mode=0&carte=

http://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gefs_cartes.php?code=0&ech=288&mode=0&carte=

If only ...

I think the 2nd of November would be more likely but I’d be surprised to see lowland snow, although at this range things could change in either direction.

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For all the talk there was a few days ago about another record warm Halloween being a possibility, it starting to look as though the models have kicked that one into touch.

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For all the talk there was a few days ago about another record warm Halloween being a possibility, it starting to look as though the models have kicked that one into touch.

Such is the nature of a ball - it can be kicked in any direction. The only constant is the playing field itself (level or otherwise) 😉

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Such is the nature of a ball - it can be kicked in any direction. The only constant is the playing field itself (level or otherwise) 😉

That and the fact that in terms of winter the opposition has seemingly “parked the bus” in front of our goalposts. 

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