Gavin P
08 February 2014 19:51:11

Thanks Martin.


One step forward, two steps back with my eye's AND with any change to drier weather at the moment.


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Stormchaser
08 February 2014 19:59:07

I am truly fascinated by this minature storm that keeps cropping up on various model runs. The ECM version is particularly striking in terms of having an intense but highly confined wind field - just like a small tropical storm.


It does have it's origins in the tropics, so it's funny that it should maintain that sort of appearance across thousands of miles of the Atlantic - the vast temperature contrast that it encounters seems to give it the energy to survive as an independant systems on runs like the ECM and GEM 12z.  UKMO is close.


It could well wrap some cold air into it and create a snow event, especially if it causes the nearby/associated front to slow and be overrun by cold air streaming in from the west.


 


GFS is completely out of kilter with the others regarding that system (sent hurtling into France), so perhaps it's not to be taken too seriously tonight. For once, the least credible output is the one with the lowest chance of a snow event!


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SEMerc
08 February 2014 20:09:58

Well the the one good thing - if there is anything to teleconnections - is that the Pineapple Express now appears to be gearing up with a vengeance.

Hungry Tiger
08 February 2014 20:56:53

Originally Posted by: Essan 


Originally Posted by: Polar Low 


Amazing chart from the west -10 almost into western ireland


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgme662.html




Almost equally interesting is the heat coming up into the Balkans



Without intending to go OT - I wonder what sort of temperatures Cyprus will get from a synoptic chart like that.


 


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Chunky Pea
08 February 2014 21:17:13

Originally Posted by: cultman1 

Something is oddly wrong with this incessant Atlantic driven weather pattern . Has there EVER been such a LONG sustained period of weather of this type in the last 50 years or so?


 


No more wrong than any sustained period of samey type weather - such as Winter 62-63, Summer 76, Winter's of 2009-10/2010-11 etc. Just the way the weather cookie crumbles. It is interesting though that this prolonged period of cyclonic waether was preceeded by an unusully long period of the anticyclonic type.


Here in Ireland, although very wet and as equally unsettled as the UK, very few period records broken regarding rainfall - we've certainly had wetter winters, and certainly no wind speed records broken either.


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Gooner
08 February 2014 22:10:02

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014020818/gfs-0-102.png?18


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014020818/gfs-0-126.png?18


Queing up


 


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Whether Idle
08 February 2014 22:27:31

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014020818/gfs-0-102.png?18


http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/runs/2014020818/gfs-0-126.png?18


Queing up


 



 Give us a break


 


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nsrobins
08 February 2014 22:33:19

On the +186 frame of GFS it almost looks like the next low is disrupting?


Either that or I've had one too many Captain Morgans Spiced Recipe LOL


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Quantum
08 February 2014 22:35:02

Well it looks like the 18Z wants me to win the bet :P


Signs of something that most people will appreciate anyway. 


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Gooner
08 February 2014 22:49:12

http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/2014/02/08/basis18/ukuk/rart/14021112_2_0818.gif


http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/2014/02/08/basis18/ukuk/rart/14021118_2_0818.gif


J F F At least some will see snow ...............according to GFS


 


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Stormchaser
08 February 2014 23:48:02

http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2014020818/138-289UK.GIF?08-18


Have we done something to irritate the GFS model? The storm is not only still there on the 18z, it's further south too!


 


Before then, the SE'rn third should keep one eye on possible rainfall Monday night, as GFS has been edging this NW with each new operational run and it now affects quite a large area for a fair number of hours:


http://modeles2.meteociel.fr/modeles_gfs/runs/2014020818/33-779UK.GIF?08-18


 


...but WRF doesn't have quite as much precipitation and NAE just shows some showers so this is far from settled.


 


The Tuesday system is different again - the secondary low is a bit further north and more developed compared with the 12z, and this influences the frontal system enough to produce some back-end snowfall even across the south.


 


There are so many uknowns from tomorrow night onwards, it feels like the models have been out down the pub too often.


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Gooner
08 February 2014 23:51:36

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/gens/run/gensnh-0-1-312.png?18


Not for the first time the control is keen on a colder flow


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Karl Guille
08 February 2014 23:51:42
Interesting 18z Control!
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Karl Guille
08 February 2014 23:54:10
Damn it Marcus you were 1 second quicker plus Liverpool's goal tally today than me on that one!!

Shame the Control is out on its own on this one though or at least in terms of the depth of cold carried on the easterly.
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KevBrads1
09 February 2014 06:02:50
Look at this FAX chart

http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/fax/fax24s.gif?08-18 

And ask yourself, where is there any high pressure? There is not one centre of high pressure showing anywhere.

The highest isobar showing I can work out is 1028mb way down towards the Azores and that is it in that whole area which covers many hundreds of square miles.
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Osprey
09 February 2014 08:32:58

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

Look at this FAX chart

http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/fax/fax24s.gif?08-18

And ask yourself, where is there any high pressure? There is not one centre of high pressure showing anywhere.

The highest isobar showing I can work out is 1028mb way down towards the Azores and that is it in that whole area which covers many hundreds of square miles.


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Gooner
09 February 2014 08:44:22

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

Look at this FAX chart

http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/fax/fax24s.gif?08-18

And ask yourself, where is there any high pressure? There is not one centre of high pressure showing anywhere.

The highest isobar showing I can work out is 1028mb way down towards the Azores and that is it in that whole area which covers many hundreds of square miles.


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/fax/fax0s.gif


Isnt that one top left, can't quite see it because of the windscale info?


then this


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/fax/fax24s.gif?08-0


edging further South


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/fax/fax36s.gif?08-0


Until it is shown clearly


http://www.meteociel.fr/ukmo/fax/fax48s.gif?08-0


 


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GIBBY
09 February 2014 08:51:05

Good morning everyone. Here is the latest instalment of the output issued by the NWP at midnight on Sunday February 9th 2014 and taken from my website at http://www.norton-radstockweather.co.uk/Model-Analysis(2859336).htm


All models show Low pressure over Northern Scotland filling slowly with the strong Westerly flow weakening steadily with the attendant showers becoming less frequent and heavy than through the recent days. Through tonight an tomorrow Low pressure to the South makes for very slack winds across the UK with some showers still, possibly wintry over the hills but some dry, bright weather too. By Tuesday an active trough crosses East with more heavy rain, strong winds and hill snow in the North followed by a cold and showery westerly flow on Wednesday, strong again with gales in the west and snow showers over the hills.


GFS then shows that on Thursday a further vigorous depression is expected to cross East over the heart of the UK with gales and heavy rain with showers on Friday and another strong depression next weekend with yet more rain and gales. Through the lower resolution part of the run this morning's operational shows that further Low pressure brings further rain at times but then a switch to colder, drier weather is shown as pressure rises, eventually strongest to the NE but this prevents much improvement lasting long in the SW as Low pressure troughs buffers the block to the NE with further rain and perhaps snow.


The GFS Ensembles show reasonable support for a lessening in the rain amounts through the second half of the run though most members continue to show some while the colder operational run is a little isolated with most members preferring to show pressure rises from the South more likely to be responsible for the lessening rainfall with milder air.


UKMO today shows next weekend with Low pressure positioned over Southern England with plenty of unsettled weather around with rain, prolonged at heavy at times over all areas in temperatures close to or somewhat below normal especially in the North.


GEM also has Low pressure over Southern Britain next weekend with rain and showers revolving around it affecting all areas with more rain and showers and perhaps snow on hills. Through the remainder of the run the Low fills but is replaced by yet another centre down near the SW at the end of the run with further rain and showers, once more most prolific towards the South and West.


NAVGEM today also shows Low pressure well in control later in the week and next weekend with pressure trying to recover from the South, seemingly in vain as further fronts to the West supercede it in it's quest bringing more rain East over the UK in Westerly winds  and average temperatures.


ECM today does show an improvement of sorts after next weekend as the fronts and Lows move further North still bringing rain at times for a while but as we move deeper into next week a drier period looks likely as High pressure over France promotes a drier interlude. It doesn't look like lasting long though as Low pressure in the Atlantic may push this drier weather towards the NE while Low pressure moves SE towards the SW bringing a return to rain to these areas soon after termination of the run.


The ECM 9 and 10 Day Mean Charts this morning show broad support for a pressure rise to be achieved from the South just over a week from now. With probable pressure approaching 1020mbs across the South it may not be quite enough to erradicate rain bearing fronts entirely down here with even less chance towards the North as Low pressure is likely to lie somewhere to the NW but it could well slow the amounts of rain substantially to at least commence the chance of some draining of flood waters in afflicted parts of the South. Within this pattern temperatures could be rising too as winds remain lighter and from the SW.


The GFS Jet Stream Forecast shows the flow unchanged over the next week before it weakens and buckles North across the UK with perhaps more of a NE fow across the UK or to the NW late in the output.


In Summary today there remains reasonable support for marginal improvements to begin to take shape in just over a week's time as the procession of deep Low's crashing into the UK is pushed further North by a Jet Stream weakening and changing the orientation of it's flow NE to allow pressure rises to take shape from the South. In the mean time this week will produce many more headaches as further heavy rain, gales and even snow could all give problems at times. The weather will likely become drier if not entirely dry with some sunshine and temperatures recovering to average or perhaps slightly above. This improvement being quite a way out is not a done deal and there are still likely to be changes in the projections good or bad through the outputs of the upcoming week.


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Gooner
09 February 2014 08:52:07

http://expert-images.weatheronline.co.uk/daten/proficharts/en/2014/02/09/basis00/ukuk/rart/14021112_2_0900.gif


A wintry mix set to cross the UK early in the week, higher ground and further North to get a covering


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Gooner
09 February 2014 08:53:39

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3841.gif


much much later in dreamland we get an HP


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