Hungry Tiger
01 August 2013 19:01:22

Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


GFS 12z ensembles - Not much sign of the heat returning;


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png



Oh dear.


 


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Ally Pally Snowman
01 August 2013 19:01:36

High pressure tries to build in from the SW doesnt really get there on this run. For the South though the weather looks OK for most of the next 10 days temps 20c - 25c not much rain.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1921.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2161.html


 


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Charmhills
01 August 2013 19:06:36

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


High pressure tries to build in from the SW doesnt really get there on this run. For the South though the weather looks OK for most of the next 10 days temps 20c - 25c not much rain.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1921.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2161.html


 



http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1922.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2162.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.gif


More like high teens, low 20's and often changeable with both Monday and Tuesday wet.


 


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GIBBY
01 August 2013 19:10:56

Good evening folks. Here is the first evening report of August using the midday outputs of GFS, UKMO, GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Thursday August 1st 2013.


The General Situation. A very warm Southerly flow covers England and Wales with a front over Scotland moving slowly away North this evening. Overnight a cold front will cross England and Wales from the West generating some showers as it does so over Central Southern and eastern parts late in the night. Tomorrow will see the front clear the East with a cooler and fresher SW flow blowing over the UK with scattered showers and sunny spells for many. Over the weekend this general pattern persists with the complication of a frontal system reaching the SW later on Sunday and spreading further North and East on Monday with a spell of rain for all.


GFS then carries this Low pressure and rainy area North across the UK on Monday and away to the North leaving behind an unstable North or NW flow, albeit light. Sunshine and heavy thundery showers would be the order of most of the days through next week with some sunny spells in between and average temperatures for most. The second half of the run remains and probably increases it's unsettled feel with active Low pressure areas over the UK through this period bringing spells of wet and windy weather mixed with brighter and more showery conditions in temperatures close to average at best.


The GFS Ensembles show a basically unsettled and showery pattern at best throughout the run tonight. With most members showing some rather more organised wet and breezy spells there is little room for optimism for those looking for warm and sunny conditions lasting more than a day or so through tonight's set.


The Jet Stream as this morning shows the flow well South of it's July position now with the GFS Jet Stream forecast taking it worryingly South of the UK in week 2 of the output.


UKMO has slack pressure conditions across the UK with a ridge to the North and a shallow Low to the South. Sunshine and slow moving showers would be the most likely weather type with the heaviest showers in the South. there would also be some warm sunny spells between the showers too in light breezes.


GEM tonight looks showery too tonight with some sunshine between the showers in next weeks slack pressure gradients over the UK. Over the weekend a new Low ensures the weather stays unsettled and becomes cooler still with Westerly breezes strengthening as a deep Low moves in from the West across the North bringing rain then blustery showers across all areas.


NAVGEM shows a showery week next week as pressure stays quite slack with cool uppers aloft allowing big showers to form at times with thunder locally but with some warm sunny intervals too.


ECM tonight shows a very unsettled week next week with a spell of heavy rain on Monday returning to showers and sunny spells through the week with further injections of  Low pressure from the West enhancing the showers to longer spells of rain at times midweek. The end of the run offers little respite I'm afraid despite High pressure tantalisingly close to the South for a time. The end of the run indicates a cool NW flow with sunshine and showers for most of the UK.


In Summary the models continue to churn out somewhat unappetising charts over recent runs so one must assume they have a handle on the fact that we are likely to see an unsettled spell of weather over the next 10-14 days with temperatures close to average with rain or showers at times. This is due to a Jet Stream which is locating further South than of late and putting a cap on any possible Northern extent of the Azores High at the moment. 


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Ally Pally Snowman
01 August 2013 19:16:34

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


High pressure tries to build in from the SW doesnt really get there on this run. For the South though the weather looks OK for most of the next 10 days temps 20c - 25c not much rain.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1921.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2161.html


 



http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1922.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2162.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.gif


More like high teens, low 20's and often changeable with both Monday and Tuesday wet.


 



 


Not much rain for Monday and Tuesday there further north perhaps.


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Charmhills
01 August 2013 19:23:04

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


High pressure tries to build in from the SW doesnt really get there on this run. For the South though the weather looks OK for most of the next 10 days temps 20c - 25c not much rain.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1921.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2161.html


 



http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1922.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2162.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.gif


More like high teens, low 20's and often changeable with both Monday and Tuesday wet.


 



 


Not much rain for Monday and Tuesday there further north perhaps.


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


 



Thats if the GFS is to be believed and of course it isn't the only model out there.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/brack2.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm962.gif


The Met/o chart for Sunday and the ECM and ties in with some of the forecast (BBC) for Monday.


 


Loughborough, EM.

Knowledge is power, ignorance is weakness.

Duane.
Ally Pally Snowman
01 August 2013 19:26:34

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


High pressure tries to build in from the SW doesnt really get there on this run. For the South though the weather looks OK for most of the next 10 days temps 20c - 25c not much rain.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1921.html


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2161.html


 



http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1922.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2162.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm2402.gif


More like high teens, low 20's and often changeable with both Monday and Tuesday wet.


 



 


Not much rain for Monday and Tuesday there further north perhaps.


 


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png


 



Thats if the GFS is to be believed and of course it isn't the only model out there.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/brack2.gif


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm962.gif


The Met/o chart for Sunday and the ECM and ties in with some of the forecast (BBC) for Monday.


 



Doesnt look like much if any for the South.


 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Hungry Tiger
01 August 2013 19:36:03

August 13 th


August 17th.


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Hendon Snowman
01 August 2013 19:56:33

Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


GFS 12z ensembles - Not much sign of the heat returning;


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png



 


Any chance they could be wrong?

Stormchaser
01 August 2013 20:31:37

Originally Posted by: Hendon Snowman 


Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


GFS 12z ensembles - Not much sign of the heat returning;


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png



 


Any chance they could be wrong?



Aha! The ever-suspicious flatlining GEFS!


Something's definately up, as the models are chasing new ideas and dropping old ones like an author with writer's block and several pints down them


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White Meadows
01 August 2013 21:28:23
Give it a week and I have a feeling we'll see the azores high showing signs of a return cropping up in the output.
JoeShmoe99
01 August 2013 21:32:23
http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1202.png 
Shameless FI chart here but I would like to see a big belt of HP establishing mid month:http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3841.png 



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Jiries
01 August 2013 21:35:24

Originally Posted by: Gavin P 


GFS 12z ensembles - Not much sign of the heat returning;


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MT8_London_ens.png



Don't be fool by this as last time they show no heat for today and look what happened? 20C uppers due to arrive tomorrow morning.

Gooner
01 August 2013 21:36:50

At least the weekend isn't looking too bad


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Sevendust
01 August 2013 21:44:15

I'm always a bit suspicious of flatlined ensembles. Seems to be a default position of GFS when something may be about to happen


What we really need is an ex-tropical storm in the mix

Jiries
01 August 2013 22:19:19

Staying decent warm mid 20's and a bit higher on Monday on 18z.  it goes against the BBC London lunchtime forecast show shocking 23-24C tomorrow when it still can reach 30C and then Monday they put 21C and rain when the models that had been showing 27-28C on Monday for a week now. 

DEW
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02 August 2013 06:00:36

Originally Posted by: Jiries 


Staying decent warm mid 20's and a bit higher on Monday on 18z.  it goes against the BBC London lunchtime forecast show shocking 23-24C tomorrow when it still can reach 30C and then Monday they put 21C and rain when the models that had been showing 27-28C on Monday for a week now. 



A model's forecast is only as good as its latest run - take a look at the fax charts for Monday and 21C/rain looks very likely


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Jiries
02 August 2013 06:49:28

What an amazing big rise on sea temps over half of the channel that now is around 17-18C compare to 15-16C due to blowtorch winds yesterday over the channel.


http://www.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Reursst.gif


Looking very nice decent warm weekend then warmer a bit on Mon/Tue with a bit higher than mid 20's then average mid week before warming up back to mid 20's.  For me 28-29C possible on Monday as the temps over the very NE France/Begium coast nearest to Kent always come off in here like yesterday 34C on the that coast give same results for Heathrow getting 34C.


 

GIBBY
02 August 2013 07:22:45
Good morning. Here is my view of the midnight outputs supplied by GFS, UKMO< GEM, NAVGEM and ECM for today Friday August 2nd 2013.

The General Situation. All models show a warm and moist SSW flow over the UK being replaced by a cooler and fresher SW flow following a cold front East across the UK today. The showery flow lasts through the weekend before an active frontal system approaches the SW later on Sunday and ambles it's way NE across the UK on Monday. The rest of the week is then dominated by the legacy left behind by this feature in the shape of a slack and benign spell of light winds and showery conditions lasting pretty much out to next weekend. There are small differences in the specific pressure pattern shown between the models through the week but they all point to a very similar weather type at the surface with just differing opinions on the location of the most showers from day to day in a week that will see temperatures very close to the seasonal average.


GFS then progresses on through next weekend with a developing Westerly flow with fronts crossing East over the UK attached to Low pressure North of Scotland. The most rain will be in the North and the South may be dry if rather cloudy for a time at the weekend before a larger surge of Low pressure tightens wind strengths and digs rain down further South over the UK towards the middle of the week and again the following weekend with showers in between.


The GFS Ensembles show tight support for a period of very average temperatures and rain at times driven in by Atlantic winds later and slack, cold pool showery type conditions in the first half of the run.


The Jet Stream continues to be shown to blow across the UK in one shape or form for the duration of the output. It does undulate North and South at times especially early in the run though any signs of a migration to a better position well North of the UK looks unlikely at the moment.


UKMO today closes it's run with a slack and cool Northerly flow over the UK. there would be some warm sunshine to be felt in the light winds but some large slow moving daytime showers and thunderstorms would be likely in places.


GEM today keeps the showery theme too next week though there are hints of a drier and warmer spell towards the end of the week over more Southern areas of the UK, albeit briefly.


NAVGEM this morning shows this improvement too with it's reach extending across much of Britain for a time in the shape of a ridge of high pressure. This means the showers would largely die out by next weekend with some warm sunny intervals for many and dry weather too with the temperatures nudging up for a time in the South at least.


ECM shows a showery first half of the week before a ridge brings a drier and brighter interlude on Thursday before Atlantic fronts attached to a depression to the North spreads wind and rain through most areas. the rain would be heaviest in the North and the South may not see much from this. By the weekend winds are shown to turn towards the NW bringing clear and clean air SE across the UK with a mix of sunshine and showers, heaviest in the North. On Day 10 there is a hint with the Azores High having shifted slightly further North that the following days would see the weather settle down and warm up slowly from the SW.


In Summary the models are trying desperately hard to bring fine weather back into the UK at some point later next week. Until then it's full support from all models on showery conditions at best with some longer spells of rain too early in the week and temperatures close to average. GFS then offer an almost 'no hope' situation with it's turbulent run of westerly winds in Week 2 in it's typically progressive long term patterns. Some of the other output does show at least a glimmer of light though with GEM, NAVGEM and ECM offering ways out of the cooler and unsettled conditions towards next weekend or soon after. Whether this is just a glitch or the start of a new trend of change will remain to be seen in future output.


Martin G
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ARTzeman
02 August 2013 07:25:39

Thanks Martin..


The changes will be awaited with intrest if the patterns are right.


 






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