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TimS
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08 August 2026 08:22:15

1999, 2017, 2025. 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Those are 2 years after the Nino peak. The equivalent would be 2028.


Brockley, South East London 30m asl
Matty H
08 August 2026 08:56:30

Those are 2 years after the Nino peak. The equivalent would be 2028.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

The El Niño ran into the subsequent year. So the year before each date I listed, so my comments are correct 

https://www.newshub.co.uk/news/2026/06/25/el-nino-2026-how-the-uks-weather-may-change-due-to-the-super-el-nino-phenomenon/ 


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TimS
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08 August 2026 09:14:02

The El Niño ran into the subsequent year. So the year before each date I listed, so my comments are correct 

https://www.newshub.co.uk/news/2026/06/25/el-nino-2026-how-the-uks-weather-may-change-due-to-the-super-el-nino-phenomenon/ 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

El Niño peaks over Christmas, so there’s always an onset year (like 1982, 1997, 2006, 2015, and 2026) and then a falling year when global temperatures are at their peak but Nino 3.4 is declining (1983, 1998, 2007, 2016, 2027). 

Those second years, which 2027 will be, have a pretty poor recent history in British summers. The big exception being 1983 (notably that event started and peaked much later than others, which maybe has something to do with it). So I am pessimistic about 2027 for that reason. 

The years after - 1984, 1999, 2008 etc - are La Niña years. They seem a bit more of a mixed bag. 


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Matty H
08 August 2026 09:26:02

El Niño peaks over Christmas, so there’s always an onset year (like 1982, 1997, 2006, 2015, and 2026) and then a falling year when global temperatures are at their peak but Nino 3.4 is declining (1983, 1998, 2007, 2016, 2027). 

Those second years, which 2027 will be, have a pretty poor recent history in British summers. The big exception being 1983 (notably that event started and peaked much later than others, which maybe has something to do with it). So I am pessimistic about 2027 for that reason. 

The years after - 1984, 1999, 2008 etc - are La Niña years. They seem a bit more of a mixed bag. 

Originally Posted by: TimS 

Feels like hairs are being split a little

The 2023/2024 El Niño peaked in January 2024, before fading in May 2024. The following UK summer (the summer after in 2025) was the hottest UK summer on record 


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Charmhills
08 August 2026 09:35:34
A high of 27 °C is expected here today, with most days forecast to see highs in the mid to high 20s and low 30s through next week.
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TimS
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08 August 2026 09:43:36

Feels like hairs are being split a little

The 2023/2024 El Niño peaked in January 2024, before fading in May 2024. The following UK summer (the summer after in 2025) was the hottest UK summer on record 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Important for 2027 predictions though. This event will peak sometime between Dec 2026 and Jan 2027, so 2024 is the reference year for 2027.

I’d love for 2027 to buck the trend though. And it’s almost certainly not going to be as cold as 1998 or as wet as 2007. 


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Crepuscular Ray
08 August 2026 10:38:00
Our maximum temps from today (Met O)

21/19/19/22/26/24/21 so no heatwave again but a decent week coming up, rain tomorrow then I'm hoping for blue sky and to get rid of this persistent SW wind which blows strongly every day!


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saxtemp
08 August 2026 10:51:30
If the 13th reaches 36.2c, which both GFS and GEFS Control says it would, then that would be the latest in the year with temperatures that high.
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Rob K
08 August 2026 10:59:45

If the 13th reaches 36.2c, which both GFS and GEFS Control says it would, then that would be the latest in the year with temperatures that high.

Originally Posted by: saxtemp 

To go with the earliest!


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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08 August 2026 11:03:24

Our maximum temps from today (Met O)

21/19/19/22/26/24/21 so no heatwave again but a decent week coming up, rain tomorrow then I'm hoping for blue sky and to get rid of this persistent SW wind which blows strongly every day!

Originally Posted by: Crepuscular Ray 

Sounds like bliss TBH!

Meanwhile down here in the desert it's now 27.1 - the next heatwave has arrived.


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TimS
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08 August 2026 12:11:10

To go with the earliest!

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

We really need a 35C in September to complete the set. Massively unlikely, but hey. Oh and a 30C in October. 


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Rob K
08 August 2026 13:27:05

We really need a 35C in September to complete the set. Massively unlikely, but hey. Oh and a 30C in October. 

Originally Posted by: TimS 

35 in August isn't yet a cert but is looking increasingly likely now, on Thursday.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Rob K
08 August 2026 15:17:48
Not far off another 30C day today: 29.2C in Hull is the highest I have seen so far. Even if today doesn't make it, tomorrow almost certainly will and GFS has us on 40 days by next Sunday.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Jiries
08 August 2026 15:27:29
28.7C now while it maxed at 29C so 30C likely tomorrow then mid 30s mid week.
Matty H
08 August 2026 16:17:11

Important for 2027 predictions though. This event will peak sometime between Dec 2026 and Jan 2027, so 2024 is the reference year for 2027.

I’d love for 2027 to buck the trend though. And it’s almost certainly not going to be as cold as 1998 or as wet as 2007. 

Originally Posted by: TimS 

In this day and age you’d suspect even if it was a wet summer it would still somehow feature in the top 20 warmest 


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picturesareme
08 August 2026 16:18:18

We really need a 35C in September to complete the set. Massively unlikely, but hey. Oh and a 30C in October. 

Originally Posted by: TimS 

35C in September is far more likely than 30C in October 

TimS
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08 August 2026 16:41:50

35C in September is far more likely than 30C in October 

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 

Indeed. Former has happened once, latter hasn’t (quite) ever happened.


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08 August 2026 16:52:17
The 12z GFS in full on desert mode for Thursday... very hot with subzero dewpoints. Fires galore, I expect! FWIW 37/-2 is just 8% RH. By comparison Vegas (in an actual desert) is forecast around 20% RH for the next few days!

https://images.meteociel.fr/im/95/9086/120_580UKrqh1.GIF 

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Matty H
08 August 2026 17:03:22
Why are various media saying this is the 5th heatwave?
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Bertwhistle
08 August 2026 17:24:26

Why are various media saying this is the 5th heatwave?

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Because it's not the 6th heatwave for everybody.

For some hotspots (including here) 5th to 13th became one heatwave. 


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Matty H
08 August 2026 17:25:26

Because it's not the 6th heatwave for everybody.

For some hotspots (including here) 5th to 13th became one heatwave. 

Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 

It’s still factually inaccurate. It’s like saying it didn’t rain here so it didn’t rain anywhere

Edit: by that logic - there’s been no heatwaves in the far north of Scotland. Therefore there have been no heatwaves  


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Bertwhistle
08 August 2026 17:28:04

Indeed. Former has happened once, latter hasn’t (quite) ever happened.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

By point one of a degree. 

Closer in recent years to the mark than the 2 34s we had. 

Of course you know probability is not defined by past events alone.

And there's more maths to this than probability anyway!


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Bertwhistle
08 August 2026 17:34:34

It’s still factually inaccurate. It’s like saying it didn’t rain here so it didn’t rain anywhere

Edit: by that logic - there’s been no heatwaves in the far north of Scotland. Therefore there have been no heatwaves  

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

No it isn't for everybody.

Of course if geography is the issue then maybe it's the twentieth or something for Arizona.

The irony (frustrating in some ways if it's the count you're after) is that hotter places may have fewer heatwaves as they merge into longer ones.

I imagine the wider heatwave thresholds haven't been met in many places (a focus on the SE for the 27s and 28s).

I had one heatwave in May, one in June, two in July and am awaiting number 5, which now looks as if it won't come until later next week. 2 days doesn't count. 10 days doesn't count as two.


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Rob K
08 August 2026 17:35:34
Widespread 39s on Thursday on 12Z GFS. It is surely overdoing it - none of the other models have 850s anywhere close to the 22C GFS is showing.
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Matty H
08 August 2026 17:38:38

No it isn't for everybody.

Of course if geography is the issue then maybe it's the twentieth or something for Arizona.

The irony (frustrating in some ways if it's the count you're after) is that hotter places may have fewer heatwaves as they merge into longer ones.

I imagine the wider heatwave thresholds haven't been met in many places (a focus on the SE for the 27s and 28s).

I had one heatwave in May, one in June, two in July and am awaiting number 5, which now looks as if it won't come until later next week. 2 days doesn't count. 10 days doesn't count as two.

Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 

This makes no sense

None of the heatwaves so far this year have affected the whole UK. Therefore by that logic this is heatwave 1, which probably won’t count either come the end


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