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GezM
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16 June 2026 20:51:17

GEFS showing 19 members (including the Op) giving a 30+ over S. England on 21st.

Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 

The 12z GFS Ens were not hugely different to 6Z in terms of overall average 850Hpa and rainfall amounts in the south east. Apologies for the IMBY post ..... 


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Rob K
17 June 2026 06:50:55
Still a massive amount of spread on the GEFS. Both the op and control run go hot on the 0Z but to my eye the trend is for a rather cooler picture next week - they are not well supported by the pack. 
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Ally Pally Snowman
17 June 2026 07:04:44

Still a massive amount of spread on the GEFS. Both the op and control run go hot on the 0Z but to my eye the trend is for a rather cooler picture next week - they are not well supported by the pack. 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Yes GFS  continues its struggles.

AIFS ensembles are more solid though. Waves of heat hitting the South. GEM is similar. 

https://wetterzentrale.de/en/show_diagrams.php?geoid=49069&model=aifs&var=2&run=0&lid=ENS&bw=1 


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Charmhills
17 June 2026 07:11:38

Still a massive amount of spread on the GEFS. Both the op and control run go hot on the 0Z but to my eye the trend is for a rather cooler picture next week - they are not well supported by the pack. 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Yeah, hot outliers.

A cooling trend in the EMS of sorts.


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Rob K
17 June 2026 08:11:38

Yes GFS  continues its struggles.

AIFS ensembles are more solid though. Waves of heat hitting the South. GEM is similar. 

https://wetterzentrale.de/en/show_diagrams.php?geoid=49069&model=aifs&var=2&run=0&lid=ENS&bw=1 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Still a massive spread though. It shows how sensitive the conditions are to a slight shift in the position of the high. If it nudges west just a small amount then it allows a more northerly drift to push the heat back into France. 

Still, even the cooler options look fairly HP dominated at least for the south. 


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Charmhills
17 June 2026 08:44:00
https://services.meteored.com/img/models/ecmwf/ECMWF_138_GB_SFC_fr-FR_fr.png 

Talk about convective.🌩️


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Rob K
17 June 2026 08:57:46

Another record casually broken were it to come off - the 12z GFS brings 576dam thicknesses over Kent at T+150, well in excess of anything previously recorded in June:

https://max.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20260615/12/150/hgt500-1000.png 

https://web.archive.org/web/20030310024855/http://www.booty.demon.co.uk/tthkxtrm.htm 

I remember 25 years ago when everyone got exited about the 564 line... how times change!

Originally Posted by: Retron 

According to TORRO the all-time UK record is 578dam, and that was actually in June - June 28 2019. https://www.torro.org.uk/extremes/summary

The 0Z GFS has 579dam around the Herstmonceux region here: https://www.torro.org.uk/extremes/summary


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Bertwhistle
17 June 2026 10:43:04

https://services.meteored.com/img/models/ecmwf/ECMWF_138_GB_SFC_fr-FR_fr.png

Talk about convective.🌩️

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 

Indeed; 100mm + ppn over parts of central England.


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Ally Pally Snowman
17 June 2026 10:48:36
Lovely summer run from GFS 6z,  high 20s low 30s most of the way. The North joining in at times as well.
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Rob K
17 June 2026 10:52:12
Just 15C or so cooler for the end of next week on the GFS 6Z... still little consistency in the level of heat. Could be looking at low 20s or high 30s!

As early as next Tuesday GFS has a 20 degree spread of maxima for London from 18C to 38C. That's only day 7.  Days 4 and 5 have a spread of 7 and 9 degrees...


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Bertwhistle
17 June 2026 13:12:04
Looking at the mean line in the 6z ens 850mb it's above 10°C for the duration- not often seen at that range. Also, what the Control has been playing at of late is mirrored bu a growing cluster of members. One to watch.
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Bertwhistle
17 June 2026 13:24:04

As early as next Tuesday GFS has a 20 degree spread of maxima for London from 18C to 38C. That's only day 7.  Days 4 and 5 have a spread of 7 and 9 degrees...

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

That's not an honest reflection of the range though is it? If you take out the 3 or so obvious anomalies in the upper temperatures for example they barely have a range of 10, not unusual. The surface maxima will naturally deviate after day 5 and even they barely manage a 15C variation at day 7 once extremes that are not part of a group or have daylight between them and the nearest group are removed.

The trouble at the moment is a tiny shift on a geographical scale of the boundary between the continental heat dome and our more benign warm HP can result in 100s of km difference. Each time a new factor is injected into the models, differences of that scale become likely.


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17 June 2026 16:54:30

For clarity (and given the separate heatwave thread) there’s not really any strong sign for any especially hot or indeed summery weather for many northern/nortwesterm parts. Perhaps a bit warmer than average for some at times in these areas.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

This was the case, the 12 z GFS now has the perfect scenario for UK wide heat middle of next week with high pressure strengthening to the north and east of the UK.

Retron
17 June 2026 17:08:44

This was the case, the 12 z GFS now has the perfect scenario for UK wide heat middle of next week with high pressure strengthening to the north and east of the UK.

Originally Posted by: HighPressureGloom 

The 12z GFS continues the trend from the 0z in terms of moving the ridging north - which means my area escapes the worst (due to an onshore breeze) and the 20C 850 isotherm is safely kept at bay. 


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Rob K
17 June 2026 19:06:10

The 12z GFS continues the trend from the 0z in terms of moving the ridging north - which means my area escapes the worst (due to an onshore breeze) and the 20C 850 isotherm is safely kept at bay. 

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Don't look at the UKV then - 22C at 850mb over Sheppey on Monday. Although you would get a sea breeze.


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Brian Gaze
18 June 2026 06:13:58
Unusual to see such big differences between UKV and Arpege at this range. UKV has heavy rain into the south east this morning and into the afternoon. Arpege having none of it.

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Retron
18 June 2026 06:19:50

Don't look at the UKV then - 22C at 850mb over Sheppey on Monday. Although you would get a sea breeze.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

TBH the way the models are struggling with the boundary of the frankly tropical airmass versus something very warm instead reminds me very much of winter, when they struggle just as much with say the -10 850 line. In recent years the struggle has always resolved, in winter, in favour of less cold conditions - the same doesn't apply with summer heat.

It does look like there will be an onshore breeze down here from Sunday onwards, and that will keep the far SE that bit cooler. Further inland, though... 


Leysdown, north Kent
Retron
18 June 2026 06:21:21

Unusual to see such big differences between UKV and Arpege at this range. UKV has heavy rain into the south east this morning and into the afternoon. Arpege having none of it.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

The MetO text forecast mentions isolated thunderstorms, but the UKV output would suggest more general showers - it's lacking the intense rates that you normally see when storms are forecast. The MetO raw has a 60% chance of light rain in the far SE during the early afternoon, it'll be interesting to see which model ends up being correct!

EDIT: The MetO raw now has a 90% chance of rain (at 25C too, which is uncommon), and a good deal more cloud around too (not that I'm complaining). Clearly something's been picked up at the last minute...


Leysdown, north Kent
DEW
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18 June 2026 06:58:28
FAX - starts with LP to the NW and HP central Europe and the fronts from the LP still much in evidence until Sat 20th. The HP then manoeuvres to SW Britain so normal W-lies for a day or two, then it moves to the N Sea 1030mb with a S-ly drift bringing in continental heat from Mon 22nd.

GFS Op 0z - Once the hot air has been imported as per FAX it stagnates , even affecting the far N, under the influence of HP covering Britain. From Fri 26th the pressure drops as LP 1015mb moves up from France but still hot (and thundery?) until Wed 1st when the centre of this LP moves east across England and brings in cooler air from the north.

ECM - goes for a much shortened hot spell; after Wed 24th a more active Atlantic pushes the hot air back to the SE and replaces it by cooler W/NW-lies; LP 990mb develops on the Norwegian coast Sat 27th, with trough to SE England.

AIFS - London,  maxima rising to 35C Tue 23rd then staying at 30C to Sun 28th and dry. Mon/Tue 29th/30th much cooler at 20C and wet. Edinburgh, rising to 23C Tue 23rd (there's a temp gradient for you!) after which variable mostly around 17C, rain quite frequent with only a brief dry slot Wed/Thu 24th/25th.

GEFS - in the S, mean temp about 8C above norm to Mon 29th though slow to reach the peak in the SW (quite good ens agreement though not a few even hotter outliers up to 12c above), dropping back to norm or just above from Wed 1st. Very little chance of rain., some in the SW later. In Scotland and England from the Midlands northwards, a pulse of warmth this Sat, then cooler before rising to a mean of  5 or 6C above norm from Tue 23rd and dropping back to norm from the 1st. Chances of rain today & tomorrow and again from Fri 26th always heavier in Scotland.

Still uncertain as to how much heat will be imported from across the Channel, how far north and for how long.


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Brian Gaze
18 June 2026 16:08:03

The MetO text forecast mentions isolated thunderstorms, but the UKV output would suggest more general showers - it's lacking the intense rates that you normally see when storms are forecast. The MetO raw has a 60% chance of light rain in the far SE during the early afternoon, it'll be interesting to see which model ends up being correct!

EDIT: The MetO raw now has a 90% chance of rain (at 25C too, which is uncommon), and a good deal more cloud around too (not that I'm complaining). Clearly something's been picked up at the last minute...

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Based on the radar, it looks like the UKV did well. I think it had the ppt too far west, but overall it did a lot better than the other models I saw.


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Retron
18 June 2026 16:38:18

Based on the radar, it looks like the UKV did well. I think it had the ppt too far west, but overall it did a lot better than the other models I saw.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

In the end there was a bit of both - the trough (as shown on the "fax" charts, albeit it looked like a small low to me on the radar) started off with heavy downpours moving across down here, some purples on the radar for a time in eastern Kent, then a more general area of rain to follow. There was 1.4mm from it here, about half an hour of rain in total.


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Rob K
18 June 2026 16:48:44

In the end there was a bit of both - the trough (as shown on the "fax" charts, albeit it looked like a small low to me on the radar) started off with heavy downpours moving across down here, some purples on the radar for a time in eastern Kent, then a more general area of rain to follow. There was 1.4mm from it here, about half an hour of rain in total.

Originally Posted by: Retron 

No rain here although it did look quite threatening for a while. UKV suggested I was in the firing line but looks like I need to get the watering can out again.

BTW the 12Z GFS is anothe rhot one but then gets quite wet across the south as a slow-moving low wedges itself in between the two HPs.


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Quantum
18 June 2026 17:32:45
Become a bit desensitized to it, but I've seen plenty of runs with near all time T850 records and 40C surface temps.

Post 2022 it just doesn't have the same hype though.


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

18 June 2026 18:32:49

Become a bit desensitized to it, but I've seen plenty of runs with near all time T850 records and 40C surface temps.

Post 2022 it just doesn't have the same hype though.

Originally Posted by: Quantum 

I'm hyped! maybe you should get your hormone levels checked 🙂

Loving the recent trends of the high pushing east and north T 850 temps of 21c in Cumbria? yes please.

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=20&model=gfs&var=2&time=204&run=12&lid=OP&h=0&tr=1&mv=0#mapref 

Bertwhistle
18 June 2026 18:57:20
I am amusing myself that a few days ago I was celebrating the GEFS mean 850mb temperature line for London being at or above 10°C from the 23rd to 28th.

The 12z has the mean 850mb 15°C isotherm from 22nd to 29th.


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