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GezM
  • GezM
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16 June 2026 12:58:19

And GFS 6Z is a massively cooler run, low to mid 20s after this coming weekend. The control is still mega hot though.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Ops run continues its bipolar behaviour


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cultman1
16 June 2026 13:13:36

Ops run continues its bipolar behaviour

Originally Posted by: GezM 

i find it extraordinary these highly sophisticated models are not able to agree on the potential heat just 5-7 days out. For many people especially the elderly this is a big issue. One extreme to the other....

Bertwhistle
16 June 2026 13:23:54
What is more consistent about the 6z ENS is the longevity of the mean of all members at 850mb being on or above the 10C line. That was only expected 17th-23rd a few days ago. The general signal still seems to be leaning towards heat.
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Rob K
16 June 2026 15:39:54

i find it extraordinary these highly sophisticated models are not able to agree on the potential heat just 5-7 days out. For many people especially the elderly this is a big issue. One extreme to the other....

Originally Posted by: cultman1 

To be honest I still find it more extraordinary how accurately they can forecast a chaotic atmosphere several days ahead!


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Rob K
16 June 2026 17:09:12
Another "cooler" GFS op run although it still manages three 30C days and the rest mostly in the high 20s. I think we are starting to see the inevitable backtrack from the record-breakers though.

UKMO 12Z looks fairly hot: it has a 36C isotherm on Monday 22nd, and bear in mind it forecast a max of 25C today, when Heathrow actually exceeded 27C.


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Bertwhistle
16 June 2026 19:34:25
GEFS showing 19 members (including the Op) giving a 30+ over S. England on 21st.
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Devonian
16 June 2026 19:44:49

To be honest I still find it more extraordinary how accurately they can forecast a chaotic atmosphere several days ahead!

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

It's not 'chaotic'*, it's behaving according to the laws of physics.

*not in a state of disorder. It is clearly 'ordered' in that it's not going to be -1C tomorrow and snowing...I know a river will flow down hill, the current direction in that river, the eddies, more difficult to predicts. So the deep signal for heat has been there for some time in the models, the eddies less certain.

At least that's how I see it. So I think the models are showing the heat dome slowly relenting as we go to July. My hope is the westerlies return because I do genuinely fear a 'roast, simmer, roast' scenario...

GezM
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16 June 2026 20:51:17

GEFS showing 19 members (including the Op) giving a 30+ over S. England on 21st.

Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 

The 12z GFS Ens were not hugely different to 6Z in terms of overall average 850Hpa and rainfall amounts in the south east. Apologies for the IMBY post ..... 


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Rob K
17 June 2026 06:50:55
Still a massive amount of spread on the GEFS. Both the op and control run go hot on the 0Z but to my eye the trend is for a rather cooler picture next week - they are not well supported by the pack. 
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Ally Pally Snowman
17 June 2026 07:04:44

Still a massive amount of spread on the GEFS. Both the op and control run go hot on the 0Z but to my eye the trend is for a rather cooler picture next week - they are not well supported by the pack. 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Yes GFS  continues its struggles.

AIFS ensembles are more solid though. Waves of heat hitting the South. GEM is similar. 

https://wetterzentrale.de/en/show_diagrams.php?geoid=49069&model=aifs&var=2&run=0&lid=ENS&bw=1 


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Charmhills
17 June 2026 07:11:38

Still a massive amount of spread on the GEFS. Both the op and control run go hot on the 0Z but to my eye the trend is for a rather cooler picture next week - they are not well supported by the pack. 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Yeah, hot outliers.

A cooling trend in the EMS of sorts.


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Rob K
17 June 2026 08:11:38

Yes GFS  continues its struggles.

AIFS ensembles are more solid though. Waves of heat hitting the South. GEM is similar. 

https://wetterzentrale.de/en/show_diagrams.php?geoid=49069&model=aifs&var=2&run=0&lid=ENS&bw=1 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Still a massive spread though. It shows how sensitive the conditions are to a slight shift in the position of the high. If it nudges west just a small amount then it allows a more northerly drift to push the heat back into France. 

Still, even the cooler options look fairly HP dominated at least for the south. 


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Charmhills
17 June 2026 08:44:00
https://services.meteored.com/img/models/ecmwf/ECMWF_138_GB_SFC_fr-FR_fr.png 

Talk about convective.🌩️


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Rob K
17 June 2026 08:57:46

Another record casually broken were it to come off - the 12z GFS brings 576dam thicknesses over Kent at T+150, well in excess of anything previously recorded in June:

https://max.nwstatic.co.uk/gfsimages/gfs.20260615/12/150/hgt500-1000.png 

https://web.archive.org/web/20030310024855/http://www.booty.demon.co.uk/tthkxtrm.htm 

I remember 25 years ago when everyone got exited about the 564 line... how times change!

Originally Posted by: Retron 

According to TORRO the all-time UK record is 578dam, and that was actually in June - June 28 2019. https://www.torro.org.uk/extremes/summary

The 0Z GFS has 579dam around the Herstmonceux region here: https://www.torro.org.uk/extremes/summary


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Bertwhistle
17 June 2026 10:43:04

https://services.meteored.com/img/models/ecmwf/ECMWF_138_GB_SFC_fr-FR_fr.png

Talk about convective.🌩️

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 

Indeed; 100mm + ppn over parts of central England.


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Ally Pally Snowman
17 June 2026 10:48:36
Lovely summer run from GFS 6z,  high 20s low 30s most of the way. The North joining in at times as well.
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Rob K
17 June 2026 10:52:12
Just 15C or so cooler for the end of next week on the GFS 6Z... still little consistency in the level of heat. Could be looking at low 20s or high 30s!

As early as next Tuesday GFS has a 20 degree spread of maxima for London from 18C to 38C. That's only day 7.  Days 4 and 5 have a spread of 7 and 9 degrees...


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Bertwhistle
17 June 2026 13:12:04
Looking at the mean line in the 6z ens 850mb it's above 10°C for the duration- not often seen at that range. Also, what the Control has been playing at of late is mirrored bu a growing cluster of members. One to watch.
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Bertwhistle
17 June 2026 13:24:04

As early as next Tuesday GFS has a 20 degree spread of maxima for London from 18C to 38C. That's only day 7.  Days 4 and 5 have a spread of 7 and 9 degrees...

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

That's not an honest reflection of the range though is it? If you take out the 3 or so obvious anomalies in the upper temperatures for example they barely have a range of 10, not unusual. The surface maxima will naturally deviate after day 5 and even they barely manage a 15C variation at day 7 once extremes that are not part of a group or have daylight between them and the nearest group are removed.

The trouble at the moment is a tiny shift on a geographical scale of the boundary between the continental heat dome and our more benign warm HP can result in 100s of km difference. Each time a new factor is injected into the models, differences of that scale become likely.


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17 June 2026 16:54:30

For clarity (and given the separate heatwave thread) there’s not really any strong sign for any especially hot or indeed summery weather for many northern/nortwesterm parts. Perhaps a bit warmer than average for some at times in these areas.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

This was the case, the 12 z GFS now has the perfect scenario for UK wide heat middle of next week with high pressure strengthening to the north and east of the UK.

Retron
17 June 2026 17:08:44

This was the case, the 12 z GFS now has the perfect scenario for UK wide heat middle of next week with high pressure strengthening to the north and east of the UK.

Originally Posted by: HighPressureGloom 

The 12z GFS continues the trend from the 0z in terms of moving the ridging north - which means my area escapes the worst (due to an onshore breeze) and the 20C 850 isotherm is safely kept at bay. 


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Rob K
17 June 2026 19:06:10

The 12z GFS continues the trend from the 0z in terms of moving the ridging north - which means my area escapes the worst (due to an onshore breeze) and the 20C 850 isotherm is safely kept at bay. 

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Don't look at the UKV then - 22C at 850mb over Sheppey on Monday. Although you would get a sea breeze.


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Brian Gaze
18 June 2026 06:13:58
Unusual to see such big differences between UKV and Arpege at this range. UKV has heavy rain into the south east this morning and into the afternoon. Arpege having none of it.

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Retron
18 June 2026 06:19:50

Don't look at the UKV then - 22C at 850mb over Sheppey on Monday. Although you would get a sea breeze.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

TBH the way the models are struggling with the boundary of the frankly tropical airmass versus something very warm instead reminds me very much of winter, when they struggle just as much with say the -10 850 line. In recent years the struggle has always resolved, in winter, in favour of less cold conditions - the same doesn't apply with summer heat.

It does look like there will be an onshore breeze down here from Sunday onwards, and that will keep the far SE that bit cooler. Further inland, though... 


Leysdown, north Kent
Retron
18 June 2026 06:21:21

Unusual to see such big differences between UKV and Arpege at this range. UKV has heavy rain into the south east this morning and into the afternoon. Arpege having none of it.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

The MetO text forecast mentions isolated thunderstorms, but the UKV output would suggest more general showers - it's lacking the intense rates that you normally see when storms are forecast. The MetO raw has a 60% chance of light rain in the far SE during the early afternoon, it'll be interesting to see which model ends up being correct!

EDIT: The MetO raw now has a 90% chance of rain (at 25C too, which is uncommon), and a good deal more cloud around too (not that I'm complaining). Clearly something's been picked up at the last minute...


Leysdown, north Kent

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