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Hippydave
08 December 2024 18:36:30
No one excited by the GFS 12z? 😂

Not a particularly interesting run although in the exceedingly unlikely event it verified it does have a snow event IMBY at T300ish (Also for parts of Scotland and Northern England around T260). Outside of that it's chilly and settling down in the near term, staying chilly at the surface as the uppers gradually warm and then generally fairly chilly in the medium to long term, aside from a day or two of milder 850s. A decent run for the Scottish mountains I'd say, balanced by more in the way of milder weather the further South you head. 

There's definitely a signal for HP to end up over the near continent in the models at the moment but so far it's only there for a day or two and may or may not drag up any noticeably mild air before it slinks off.  The theme on many of the ops is one of fairly average weather for the most part - unsettled, often cool and some snow for the hills and mountains further North as you'd expect in December.  There's plenty of mild options in the ens as you move deeper into FI if that's your bag, sadly you have to squint a bit harder for any runs bringing in decent levels of cold. 


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nsrobins
08 December 2024 22:41:03
No sugarcoating it - Atlantic close to full on mode for next few weeks after the benign few days following Darragh.


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Retron
09 December 2024 06:21:14
Our first glimpse at Christmas Day on the GFS this morning - and it's not the worst chart I've ever seen, to be fair. A large high west of Iceland, a low over the North Sea, a secondary approaching from the WSW and widespread sleet / snow over Wales, the Westcountry, parts of Scotland and the Midlands.

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https://images.meteociel.fr/im/26/20778/gfs_0_384yuo2.png 


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09 December 2024 08:15:29
WX temps much as yesterday, cold across N Europe (incl Scotland) and patchily so down towards the Alps with some milder air working up the western seaboard in week 2 while the freezing stuff retreats well back into Russia. Not much rain around this week - just a little around the Med - but the Atlantic revives in week 2 with rain all the way down western coasts from S Norway down to Portugal; one spot for heavy rain is the Channel.

GFS Op 0z - HP over Scotland up to 1040mb and LP near the Med generate E-lies for the south until Fri 13th. After a couple of days of adjustment, the weather becomes zonal W-ly, weak ridges and troughs crossing Britain until Thu 19th when deeper LP moves from the NW 975mb Orkney (but not as stormy as shown yesterday). This ushers in a spell of N-lies which entrain LP 990mb Irish Sea Mon 23rd, slowly crossing Britain through Christmas Day. Christmas Day indication - rather cold and unsettled.

ECM - similar to GFS but during the zonal period shows HP over France stronger and LP further north so weather is more settled. 

GEM - more like ECM but final chart Wed 18th shows LP gathering strength in Biscay

GEFS - in the S temps up and down a little but mostly a little on the cold side of norm until Wed 25th, dry until Mon 16th when chances of rain in many but not all runs. In Scotland similar but milder to start with always subject (as Dr Mog pointed out yesterday) to surface level frost and fog. from inversions Snow row figures for Christmas Day 11/33 for Inverness, 2 to 5/33 elsewhere. 


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Jiries
09 December 2024 10:30:55
Those who issued long season forecasts and insist that we will get a mild winter are likely to be mild rampers and wanted a mild winter but actually the ensembles for this month looking average to below average, can't see those 13-15C day and 11-13C mild nights happening this month.
Taylor1740
09 December 2024 11:56:16
I noticed a few runs on the 0z GEFS bringing proper deep cold in just before Xmas, however the 6z opp looks fairly unexciting other than a brief toppler pattern.
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Russwirral
09 December 2024 12:05:06
With 2 weeks to go, I would say there is a an outside to fair chance of wintry weather over Christmas.

The charts have potential.  They are definitely not stuck with mild southerly euro HP blocks.  Theres actually quite alot of cold air nearby.

We are poised for a decent week or so of model watching i reckon.


Ally Pally Snowman
09 December 2024 12:27:37
For the South a cold spell before Christmas looks very unlikely.  Ecm ensembles sum it up barely any below -5c 850s let alone -10c. Snoozefest!

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/show_diagrams.php?geoid=50893&model=ecm&var=2&run=0&lid=ENS&bw=1 


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CField
09 December 2024 13:10:18
Are we sleepwalking into another 2013/14 winter? 
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09 December 2024 13:17:43
We have nor easter today in s.e England!

Shame its 8c 

You couldnt make it up


Berkshire
warrenb
09 December 2024 13:27:07

We have nor easter today in s.e England!

Shame its 8c 

You couldnt make it up

Originally Posted by: The Dub Version 

You don't have to make it up because it is reality. Average is the way I would describe the coming week or 2. Some dry days, some wet days, temps 7-8c during the day and 1-2c at night with the occasional frost in periods between lows.


Gandalf The White
09 December 2024 13:49:17

You don't have to make it up because it is reality. Average is the way I would describe the coming week or 2. Some dry days, some wet days, temps 7-8c during the day and 1-2c at night with the occasional frost in periods between lows.

Originally Posted by: warrenb 

Looking at the charts in general and the GFS 06z ensemble suite for this area I’d say this week will be rather cold (2c below average).  The Week 2 mean continues the below average theme.  Nothing especially cold, but I would say ‘on the chilly side of seasonal’.


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Gandalf The White
09 December 2024 13:50:48

We have nor easter today in s.e England!

Shame its 8c 

You couldnt make it up

Originally Posted by: The Dub Version 

An easterly or north-easterly or even a northerly has never delivered cold weather when there’s nothing cold to tap into.


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



doctormog
09 December 2024 14:00:30
If the UKV model is correct there could be three consecutive nights at or below -10°C inland up here in the coming days. 
The Beast from the East
09 December 2024 14:38:03

Are we sleepwalking into another 2013/14 winter? 

Originally Posted by: CField 

looks potentially stormy and wet. Not even getting the euroslug to help shield us down here. If its going to be another snow free winter down here I'd rather be mild and dry than wet, flooded and cold 


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Brian Gaze
09 December 2024 14:57:10
The TWO tracker  has December at 7.5°C and it's usually pretty close to the official Met CET. It looks like 2m max temps will slowly edge downwards in the coming days, but cloudy skies are likely to stop the minima falling too far. 

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Things become uncertain from mod-month.  However, I'd probably go with above average temps in the CET zone with the possibility of another stormy spell before Christmas.

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ballamar
09 December 2024 16:40:36
https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=gfs&var=1&run=12&time=240&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=6#mapref 

Close but likely to flatten, almost good for Xmas!

Scandi high almost could be 1970 for Xmas 

Brian Gaze
09 December 2024 18:08:51
I don't want to hijack Darren's Christmas thread because he's focusing on the 0Z runs, but the GFS 12Z update is well worth a peek today. Start from here:

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/gfs.aspx?run=12&charthour=252&chartname=mslp500&chartregion=na&charttag=500hPa%20GPDM 

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Brian Gaze

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Retron
09 December 2024 18:13:49

I don't want to hijack Darren's Christmas thread because he's focusing on the 0Z runs, but the GFS 12Z update is well worth a peek today. Start from here:

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

That projection you use makes the cold upper low look much further away than on other sites. 😁

It's nice to see a bubble inflate over Scandinavia, but note the direction of travel - it's essentially an offshoot of the Azores High and it carries on its merry way. The classic Scandinavian High scenario would involve a ridge moving in the opposite direction instead, forcing Atlantic lows to divert far to the south - quite different from the way the 12z GFS sets things up.

One of the many things I look out for is the Azores High withdrawing west - to its alter-ego, the Bermuda High. As long as it's lurking close to the Azores it's all but impossible to get sustained deep cold here.

Nonetheless, at least it's not raging Atlantic zonality... makes a change!


Leysdown, north Kent
Gandalf The White
09 December 2024 18:28:52

I don't want to hijack Darren's Christmas thread because he's focusing on the 0Z runs, but the GFS 12Z update is well worth a peek today. Start from here:

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/gfs.aspx?run=12&charthour=252&chartname=mslp500&chartregion=na&charttag=500hPa%20GPDM 

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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Have a look at P25 and P28, one a northerly that brings a cold HP over us for Xmas Day, and the other a cold easterly, with some wintry flurries to the east.


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52.0N 0.1E



09 December 2024 19:59:54

That projection you use makes the cold upper low look much further away than on other sites. 😁

It's nice to see a bubble inflate over Scandinavia, but note the direction of travel - it's essentially an offshoot of the Azores High and it carries on its merry way. The classic Scandinavian High scenario would involve a ridge moving in the opposite direction instead, forcing Atlantic lows to divert far to the south - quite different from the way the 12z GFS sets things up.

One of the many things I look out for is the Azores High withdrawing west - to its alter-ego, the Bermuda High. As long as it's lurking close to the Azores it's all but impossible to get sustained deep cold here.

Nonetheless, at least it's not raging Atlantic zonality... makes a change!

Originally Posted by: Retron 

That Azores Bermuda high causes a almost permanent Nor Easter in cape verde.  Very refreshing all year round.


Berkshire
squish
09 December 2024 20:25:12
Quite a notable divergence between ECM and GFS around 144/168. Either could lead on to quite interesting set ups .
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fairweather
09 December 2024 22:26:11
Having just read scientists are saying the extra amount of cloud worldwide is a major factor in temperatures rising faster than predicted I thought how tonight's synopsis and forecast would have been 25-50 years ago. Not even close to a frost here yet -5C in Scotland under clear skies. Everything, including some wildlife has migrated 200 miles north! I did a graph for here a couple of years ago and the drop in air frosts in just the 25 years I've had a PWS is massive, probably the most significant measurable parameter as indicator of climate change here. 
S.Essex, 42m ASL
White Meadows
09 December 2024 22:26:20
Ensembles have lots of options on the table for 23rd onwards. Could be an interesting period heading our way. 

Keeping me inspired is the high pressure dominated December and stormy after Christmas theme that met office completely mixed up. Another contingency planners on the scrap heap there. 

ballamar
09 December 2024 23:24:59
The op run is on the warmer side so far in GEFS - HP looks to be more of a key player for this December even though we have had a notable storm!

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