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DEW
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24 June 2024 07:20:01
WX average temps still not loading; the rest of the site looks OK.

GFS Op - current HP chased away by deeper-than-previous LP 985mb Hebrides Thu 27th, returning briefly from the SW Sun 30th until another LP from Iceland 990mb Cairngorm Wed 3rd, this one with a trough reaching S Britain. HP continues to hover out to the SW with a general W-ly flow until Wed 10th when another LP from the NW reaches Malin 1000mb. 

In summary, HP to the SW of Britain and over S Russia, with a sequence of LPs from Iceland dipping across N Britain on their way to Norway.

ECM - goes into W-ly zonal flow pattern once the first LP is out of the way. The LP on Wed 3rd does not appear and at that date pressure is fairly high over Britain, centred to the SW with a light NW-ly flow. The best of the three major models.

GEM - somewhere between GFS and ECM with the LP on Wed 3rd present but further N, heading for Orkney and not really affecting England.

GEFS - warm to Thu 27th, mean of ens members dropping back to norm (cool for a few days in the N) and staying there to Wed 10th but on any given day there will be a run or two 5C above or below the mean. Rain at any time, very little in the SW, rather more but not that much in the N.


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DEW
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24 June 2024 15:25:40
GFS 06z not quite as gloomy as the 0z. The LP on Thu 27th is still as previously predicted, but the one following up on Wed 3rd is shallower and further north. Although it then sits over Norway with light N-lies for polling day, it looks as if the weather on that day is most likely to be no worse than cool with occasional showers. (but that regime persists to Mon 8th). The final LP on the 0z, shown there for Wed 10th, has been replaced by HP.
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Retron
24 June 2024 15:44:37
The first 30 of the year showing on my local MetO raw forecast for Thursday. GFS has 24 instead... I suspect MetO will be closer to the mark!

It looks like being one of those typical "last gasp" heatwaves, whereby this little corner ends up the warmest in the UK. MetO has 29s for Heathrow tomorrow and Wednesday, but "only" 27 for Thursday.

NB, 30 would be 8 degrees above average, the June equivalent of an ice day in winter. And we haven't had one of those for years...


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Matty H
24 June 2024 19:17:03

The first 30 of the year showing on my local MetO raw forecast for Thursday. GFS has 24 instead... I suspect MetO will be closer to the mark!

It looks like being one of those typical "last gasp" heatwaves, whereby this little corner ends up the warmest in the UK. MetO has 29s for Heathrow tomorrow and Wednesday, but "only" 27 for Thursday.

NB, 30 would be 8 degrees above average, the June equivalent of an ice day in winter. And we haven't had one of those for years...

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Moomin, get off Darren’s account with your last gasp summer is over antics


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Ally Pally Snowman
24 June 2024 19:30:29
Nice ECM 12z tonight HP build back in strongly for a time.  Quite warm too.

 


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Jiries
24 June 2024 20:09:48

Nice ECM 12z tonight HP build back in strongly for a time.  Quite warm too.

 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

As long no one created a front to throw at the HP zone like this phantom warm cloudy spell thanks to the front being thrown inside the HP and clouds spread like cancerous.  

moomin75
24 June 2024 20:50:13

Moomin, get off Darren’s account with your last gasp summer is over antics

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

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I'm a changed man Matty..promise  🤣


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Tom Oxon
24 June 2024 23:03:44

Nice ECM 12z tonight HP build back in strongly for a time.  Quite warm too.

 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Good upgrade for the southern UK on that op tonight 


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Retron
25 June 2024 04:09:54

Moomin, get off Darren’s account with your last gasp summer is over antics

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

You misunderstood that one! 😉

The "last gasp" bit refers to this heatwave... it's often the case when fresher weather moves in from the west that we see a last-minute surge in temperatures in this corner of England, as the heat gets shoved eastwards and we lose our cooling sea breezes.

While I wish it was summer as a whole's "last gasp", sadly it won't be - we're in for more of this over the next couple of months. Remember folks, down here in Kent, while snow (or even -5C) isn't guaranteed every winter, or even most winters these days, a spell of warmth including 30C+ is a dead cert every summer. And more often than not, more than once!


Leysdown, north Kent
Ally Pally Snowman
25 June 2024 04:44:38
Poor set of 0z this morning 

Model consistency has been really crap recently. 


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Ally Pally Snowman
25 June 2024 04:55:04
ICON keeps the faith but GFS and GEM are off the scale bad. HLB over Greenland is back . 
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25 June 2024 06:56:39
GFS Op - as previously forecast, LP moving in Thu 27th 990mb Hebrides but minimal effect on S England, leaving a spell of zonal weather as it moves away; with HP to the SW this gives a mainly NW-ly flow to Wed 3rd. Then LP from Iceland 985mb grazes N Scotland en route to Norway leaving shallow area of low pressure in the N Sea with weak but cool N-lies for all of Britain. A brief ridge of HP Tue 9th gives way to further LP 990mb off W Ireland.

ECM - similar to GFS but LP Thu 4th is closer 995mb Aberdeen (yesterday this was shown further N)

GEM - more emphasis on LP; the HP responsible for the zonal flow in GFS is further SW in this model and weather is less settled everywhere, not just the N. In particular there is a twin centre LP on election day 990mb Cornwall and 995mb N Ireland.

GFS - cooling down later this week and mean temp then staying near norm (slightly below in N; op and control amongst the coolest everywhere) with variation between ens members becoming steadily more significant from Wed 3rd. Very little rain in S (one or two runs with large amounts later on), small amounts quite frequently in N

A lot of LP around with rather cool weather in the models, which however is not reflected in GEFS


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Ally Pally Snowman
25 June 2024 07:17:12
Looks like no avoiding a poor start to July. Ensembles look mixed at best. Atm no sign of Summer after this spell ends.

 


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Jiries
25 June 2024 07:54:59

Looks like no avoiding a poor start to July. Ensembles look mixed at best. Atm no sign of Summer after this spell ends.

 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Not much difference after this phantom cloudy fest spell ends, might end up better amount of sunny days in early July when I get back.  Leaving today and still lot of infill clouds formed so early this morning so will see blue skies in the air.  

picturesareme
25 June 2024 11:34:37

Looks like no avoiding a poor start to July. Ensembles look mixed at best. Atm no sign of Summer after this spell ends.

 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Between now and Monday 1st the coolest day forcasted on the met for here is 21C and that's this Friday... Every other day is warmer! Each looks also to be dry.

 

Ally Pally Snowman
25 June 2024 12:02:27

Between now and Monday 1st the coolest day forcasted on the met for here is 21C and that's this Friday... Every other day is warmer! Each looks also to be dry.

 

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 

Tbf the South and EA might be OK upto the 1st. 

First week of July look less good but ensembles are not as bad as the Ops atm. 

 


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Saint Snow
25 June 2024 12:23:40

Tbf the South and EA might be OK upto the 1st. 

First week of July look less good but ensembles are not as bad as the Ops atm. 

 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

After looking at the GFS especially, the Met Office web forecast for MBY surprised me. Mostly dry (chance of PPN maxing out at 15%) and temps 17-19c out to the 1st. 

Not great.... but great when compared to what I was expecting from the last few GFS runs


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DEW
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26 June 2024 07:20:21
WX temp charts up and running again. Next two weeks are alike, warm across most of Europe including England and S Baltic, indeed becoming very warm in S France and Danube basin, cool in Scotland and N Baltic esp week 2, indeed cold in NW Russia. Mostly dry for Britain in week 1, with areas of rain around Iceland and across the Alps; in week 2 the former expands S-wards to reach Scotland and the latter dies out.

GFS Op - LP 990mb running across Scotland tomorrow with trough reaching to the S drifting to the N while HP tentatively approaches from the SW but only close enough to Britain to provide dry-ish(?) NW-lies. Shallow LPs cross first Scotland 1000mb Fri 5th and England 1005mb Tue 9th before HP re-establishes from the SW Fri 12th.

ECM - like GFS at first but the LP Fri 5th arrives a day earlier and persists off NW Scotland at least until Sat 6th instead of moving on.

GEM - makes even more of next week's LP as it crosses Britain to settle 990mb Yorkshire coast Sat 6th.

GEFS - contrasts with the WX charts. Becoming cool in the next few days and staying on the cool side to Fri 5th with fair agreement but more prolonged in Scotland, then mean temp back to norm with less agreement. Small amounts of rain from the beginning of July (some earlier in the NW), not a lot but still rather more than shown yesterday. 


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Ally Pally Snowman
26 June 2024 07:24:05
HLB over Greenland on all Ops this morning as we head into July . First week of the month looks awful especially in the NW.
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DEW
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26 June 2024 07:30:37

HLB over Greenland on all Ops this morning as we head into July . First week of the month looks awful especially in the NW.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Pessimistic, I think, for a viewpoint from Essex. Certainly no heatwave, but it looks bright and mostly dry for England until the end of that first week, though I wouldn't book a holiday in n Scotland.


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Ally Pally Snowman
26 June 2024 07:44:11

Pessimistic, I think, for a viewpoint from Essex. Certainly no heatwave, but it looks bright and mostly dry for England until the end of that first week, though I wouldn't book a holiday in n Scotland.

Originally Posted by: DEW 

Yes maybe the famous NW/SE split. So ok ish here but I'm looking for Heatwaves. 

On a entirely different note

Why has TWO gone weirdly black and odd is it deliberate? Anyone else got this?


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Brian Gaze
26 June 2024 07:45:38
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DEW
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26 June 2024 07:46:23

Yes maybe the famous NW/SE split. So ok ish here but I'm looking for Heatwaves. On a entirely different noteWhy has TWO gone weirdly black and odd is it deliberate? Anyone else got this?

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

See Daily Thread in Forum Arms EDIT - crossed ... er ... in post with Brian's above.


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Taylor1740
26 June 2024 10:57:11

HLB over Greenland on all Ops this morning as we head into July . First week of the month looks awful especially in the NW.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Yes as the GFS had been consistently showing for several days now, I don't check the other models but sounds like they have come in line now. Looks poor for the majority and certainly no sign of a heatwave for at least the first 10 days of July.


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Saint Snow
26 June 2024 12:37:53
We seem stuck in a repeating pattern where high pressure sets up to the west of the BI, whilst low pressure systems move over the top and sink ESE'wards to SE'wards close to or over the UK

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