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DEW
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30 May 2022 07:13:17

WX summary illustrates how the models are still chopping and changing. Week 1 temps still cool across Europe N of a line Brittany - Bavaria - N Ukraine and warmth increasing quite noticeably in a short distance S of that; week 2 shows a new development with a bulge of warm air N-wards into England - Denmark -Poland )with apologies to readers in Ireland and Scotland, but don't shoot the messenger!) . Rain quite widely distributed across Europe except the Med in week 1; in week 2 one area over the mountains of Europe (Pyrenees -Alps - Balkans) and two very well-defined areas of heavy rain, one centred on Rockall (reaches NI and NW Scotland), the other N of the Urals.


Jet - not much action until Tue 7th when a series of strong pulses across Britain (mostly the N) converts to a loop Mon 13th dipping S and encircling Britain


GFS Op - Shallow but large area of LP currently drifting W-wards across Britain (a recipe for showers?) but pressure rise from Thu 2nd offers dry prospects for the Jubilee weekend; the HP ridges from S Eire to Scotland so some brisk E-lies for the far S. The HP is pushed away SE-wards by Tue 7th when LP takes up station over Rockall, deepens to 985 mb before moving E-wards past Scotland. A brief spell of zonal W-lies before a repeat performance with new LP 980mb Rockall Tue 14th.


GEFS - in the S esp SE temps rising to modestly above norm by Sat 4th and staying there though poor agreement between ens members, and small amounts of rain from time to time. In the N, temps close to norm rather than above, more rain with some big totals in the NW and even some notable events in some runs further E


ECM - similar to GFS but the area of HP for the Jubilee weekend is spread more widely at first, covering the whole country, except that Mon 6th/Tue 7th a small area of LP over Belgium threatens showers for the SE. The concluding LP is further W on Tue 7th and should not affect Scotland as much


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Taylor1740
30 May 2022 09:14:54


 


 


Totally agree. Not that I have decades of data at our new house, but it seems like an odd year. There are some that would call the least 8 weeks or so cold, but they have been anything but, down in the south, it's just that there hasn't been a reasonably usual 26c+ day yet. The average daily max for May is way above average at 18c+. Having many days of 25c max and 15c min in May is not normal for the UK, and even with GW, will not be in our lifetime so a little perspective may be required in some quarters.


 


GFS12z looks usable, pretty much a follow on of what we have had recently, above average CET, pressure slack 1015 to 1025mb and temps moderated but above CET. Rainfall lower than average.


Originally Posted by: tierradelfuego 


This week looks fairly disappointing to me and I would be surprised if this week is above the CET average.


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Ally Pally Snowman
30 May 2022 09:43:14

Warmish and dryish sums it up . Nothing spectacular but better than it was looking just a few days ago.


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Hungry Tiger
30 May 2022 13:46:31


Warmish and dryish sums it up . Nothing spectacular but better than it was looking just a few days ago.


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Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


Almost anything would be an improvement on what I have now.


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Saint Snow
30 May 2022 14:29:25


Warmish and dryish sums it up . Nothing spectacular but better than it was looking just a few days ago.


Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


 


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moomin75
30 May 2022 17:37:04


 


 


Moomin will be gutted 



Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

I wouldn't. I'm a cricket player.


However, look at GFS 12Z and GEM.


Looks pretty poor for the weekend.


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DEW
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30 May 2022 17:49:57


I wouldn't. I'm a cricket player.


However, look at GFS 12Z and GEM.


Looks pretty poor for the weekend.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Not as good as it was this morning, with slack LP over the near continent, but not dire. A glass half full/half empty type of chart for ths - take your pick - and not at all bad in the north


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Tim A
30 May 2022 18:05:51
Current weather is poor. Looks nice and average temps or slightly above Thursday onwards.
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doctormog
31 May 2022 06:10:36


 


Not as good as it was this morning, with slack LP over the near continent, but not dire. A glass half full/half empty type of chart for ths - take your pick - and not at all bad in the north


Originally Posted by: DEW 


Similar on this morning’s output so far and not a bad outlook for northern parts.


White Meadows
31 May 2022 06:55:49

Could be July before we see anything that resembles a heatwave, going by the continued trends in most output.

DEW
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31 May 2022 07:15:38

Models still shifting around at short notice.


WX summary temps are in fact still much as yesterday - a zonal pattern for week 1 with the 14C isotherm following the Channel and Baltic Coasts and then in week 2 a modest push from the S with warmer temps from England across to Sweden. However the rainfall pattern has shifted with in week 1 a dry area for Shetland and Norwegian Sea with areas of rain around its perimeter, including S England and in week 2 the dry area is over the Baltic, again with rain surrounding it, notably heavy over Ireland.


GFS Op - Current LP over Britain filling and replaced by HP over Scotland for the Jubilee weekend but shallow LP affecting S England, rather more so than yesterday. At the beginning of next week the pattern re-adjusts to LP west of Ireland Thu 9th; this LP moves first S (Sun 12th, warmth from the S) then N (Tue 14th) then deepens over Ireland (990mb Thu 16th, and cold)


GEFS - Temps soon rising to seasonal norm and mean staying there for most or a little above in the S (any outliers tending to be on the warm side). Small amounts of rain in most ens members, but the op has a couple of dramatic spikes for the SE, Sun 5th and Tue 14th and as usual there's more in the NW.  


ECM - similar to GFS but overall pressure is a little higher


 


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Ally Pally Snowman
31 May 2022 07:34:10

Op picking up some massive rain spikes for Jubilee weekend headache for forecasters. 


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moomin75
31 May 2022 08:25:17


Op picking up some massive rain spikes for Jubilee weekend headache for forecasters. 


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Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Carol's forecast on BBC Breakfast appears to show a lot of rain coming up.


Let's hope that changes.


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GezM
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31 May 2022 09:54:32


Carol's forecast on BBC Breakfast appears to show a lot of rain coming up.


Let's hope that changes.


Originally Posted by: moomin75 


It seems to be in the UK that the only way to avoid the risk of heavy rain is to have strong high pressure over us. Deep depression means wind and heavy rain, shallow depression means slow moving heavy rain, weak anticyclone means some dry spells but the likelihood of slow moving, heavy rain!


 


 


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ARTzeman
31 May 2022 09:56:28

Met Office Long Range Forecast shows June Temperature is going to be warmer than average.






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Sevendust
31 May 2022 10:27:11


Met Office Long Range Forecast shows June Temperature is going to be warmer than average.


Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 


Shows up in the ensembles (at height) but the problem we often have in these largely slack set ups is that it's not properly settled. That means the shower risk is always there, as are disappointing amounts of cloud

briggsy6
31 May 2022 11:07:00

It's hard to get away from the fact that the UK has a very soggy climate.


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Taylor1740
31 May 2022 12:26:20
Northern blocking is back on the GFS 6z!!
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Hungry Tiger
31 May 2022 12:44:50


Met Office Long Range Forecast shows June Temperature is going to be warmer than average.


Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 


I'd be surprised. If and when I get the chance to post my June CET I'm going for a fraction below average.


The current cool stuff is starting to look as though it'll be hard to shift and I've had the past few days at no more than 16C and some very cold nights including an air frost the other night.


This will take some dramatic switch around.


 


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fairweather
31 May 2022 14:41:54

Well I'm heading South to Christchurch for three days and hoping to catch this short drier warmer interlude till the weekend. First time I've been away in the UK since August 2020. I was hoping for some clear night skies for photography purposes but that's looking unlikely.


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bledur
31 May 2022 17:55:32


Well I'm heading South to Christchurch for three days and hoping to catch this short drier warmer interlude till the weekend. First time I've been away in the UK since August 2020. I was hoping for some clear night skies for photography purposes but that's looking unlikely.


Originally Posted by: fairweather 


 I used to go to Christchurch a lot back in the l70,s when i was out courting . Always had lunch at the "Copper Skillet" As far as i know it is still there. They always had roast Turkey on. Used to hire a rowing boat and go out on the river which was always a laugh. The 70,s seemed a simpler time to me.

Rob K
31 May 2022 18:01:47


Met Office Long Range Forecast shows June Temperature is going to be warmer than average.


Originally Posted by: ARTzeman 


Do the Met Office ever forecast below average monthly temperatures?


The general warming trend means that even crap weather months tend to be above average these days, often down to warm cloudy nights.


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Taylor1740
31 May 2022 22:44:26


 


Do the Met Office ever forecast below average monthly temperatures?


The general warming trend means that even crap weather months tend to be above average these days, often down to warm cloudy nights.


Originally Posted by: Rob K 


I can't remember the last time they did. No doubt this will be another one of those months where the temperature hardly gets above 20c yet somehow it will be 1 - 2c above average. Although the first week or so at least looks like it should be below average to me.


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DEW
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01 June 2022 07:23:42

Summary temps showing summer gradually creeping northwards on a broad front over Europe - the 14C isotherm which follows the Channel coast and so eastwards to the S Baltic in week 1 is about 200 miles further N in week 2, England - S Sweden - Finland. Rain fairly general over Europe in week 1 (a small dry slot over E Scotland) ,moves E-wards in week 2 with most W european countries on the dry side (ironically, the damp exception is E Scotland!)


FAX showing a less settled Jubilee weekend than hoped for. Thu, fronts over Ireland and N France  which move closer to England on Fri  and coalesce on Sat with a front along the English Channel. That front lying across N England on Sun with showery troughs moving E-wards to the south of it.


Jet - bits and pieces S England / N France for the next week after which most of the action is well out on the Atlantic


GFS op - pressure fairly high over Scotland until Tue 7th with shallow LP around the Channel or Low Countries . Small LP traverses Britain SW-NE Thu 9th after which N-S ridge of HP sets up over W Britain, rotating to E-W over Scotland by Tue 14th with more shallow LP pushing up from France. 


GEFS - temps in SE warmer for a few days than mean close to norm for the foreseeable, large amount of rain for Mon 6th, small amountts at other times. Other areas miss that brief warmth, mean close to norm throughout, not much rain in the N for a week then regularly appearing in most ens members 


ECM - misses out the LP Thu 9th but otherwise similar to GFS


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White Meadows
01 June 2022 07:24:34


 


I can't remember the last time they did. No doubt this will be another one of those months where the temperature hardly gets above 20c yet somehow it will be 1 - 2c above average. Although the first week or so at least looks like it should be below average to me.


Originally Posted by: Taylor1740 

They are urged to push the warming climate agenda. Not denying the long term trends of course but it seems they’re more and more a campaign mouthpiece than ever these days. 

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