Italy

• 675 new cases 


• 145 new deaths

 

Really? I had no idea! You must try to mention that more often, Andy.

It's a shame it need mentioning.   But you rich kids seem to forget that we don't all have unlimited income. 

 

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What's the saying... "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

First waves always fizzle out eventually, or rather die down to background noise, so the professor isn't saying anything new.

The key is not to repeat what happened in the likes of 1918!

(Chart from Wiki, showing the second and third wave of the 1918 flu outbreak in the UK).

Edited: chart is the whole of the UK, not just London.

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My friend owns a small business. She was hoping to expand and employ 2 more staff this year.

For the past 2 months she has been working every day to keep her business going. She has drawn exactly £0.00 in income over this period.

She has sleepless nights because she may have to make some of her staff redundant if she cannot fully reopen and trade returns to what it was. Bearing in mind that social distancing rules makes it difficult to have 2 members of staff in the same area, even if the customers are there ......


Not everyone is bothered about whether they can get 2 weeks holiday this year. Not everyone has a guaranteed job.


Not everyone on TWO has the faintest idea what some people are going through.

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What's the saying... "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

First waves always fizzle out eventually, or rather die down to background noise, so the professor isn't saying anything new.

The key is not to repeat what happened in the likes of 1918!

(Chart from Wiki, showing the second and third wave of the 1918 flu outbreak in the UK).

Edited: chart is the whole of the UK, not just London.

Yes, though, aiui, there we no measure at all to flatten the first peak back then?

If we were in a similar situation now I guess all those most likely to be killed by this virus would already have been (and it's a vast number, hence lock down). So, we aim to (well, this is old news - but worth repeating as some think the virus has simply gone away)  flatten the peak(s) so health services can cope.

 

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It's a shame it need mentioning.   But you rich kids seem to forget that we don't all have unlimited income. 

 

You're the walking definition of inverted snobbery.

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My friend owns a small business. She was hoping to expand and employ 2 more staff this year.

For the past 2 months she has been working every day to keep her business going. She has drawn exactly £0.00 in income over this period.

She has sleepless nights because she may have to make some of her staff redundant if she cannot fully reopen and trade returns to what it was. Bearing in mind that social distancing rules makes it difficult to have 2 members of staff in the same area, even if the customers are there ......


Not everyone is bothered about whether they can get 2 weeks holiday this year. Not everyone has a guaranteed job.


Not everyone on TWO has the faintest idea what some people are going through.

Maybe we do, and maybe we all have stories we can tell of ourselves or people we know, but we don't choose to plaster it all over a weather forum. Maybe you shouldn't assume you have a monopoly on understanding what poverty is.

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My friend owns a small business. She was hoping to expand and employ 2 more staff this year.

For the past 2 months she has been working every day to keep her business going. She has drawn exactly £0.00 in income over this period.

She has sleepless nights because she may have to make some of her staff redundant if she cannot fully reopen and trade returns to what it was. Bearing in mind that social distancing rules makes it difficult to have 2 members of staff in the same area, even if the customers are there ......


Not everyone is bothered about whether they can get 2 weeks holiday this year. Not everyone has a guaranteed job.


Not everyone on TWO has the faintest idea what some people are going through.

I do, my brother is in a similar situation. So there...

The question for me (and I'm salaried, I chose not to be a businessman) has always been: which is the lesser of evils? Carry on as normal, let the virus rip (several 100K deaths by now), or flatten the peaks, or a combination? Which would have been be you choice?

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 You're the walking definition of inverted snobbery.

You really don't get it.  But hey, you have lots of money.    Not everyone is as lucky.  But why should you care?   You're a socialist ....

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Yes, though, aiui, there we no measure at all to flatten the first peak back then?

There's a really interesting (albeit US-centric) set of charts here.

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/2020/03/how-cities-flattened-curve-1918-spanish-flu-pandemic-coronavirus/

Social distancing, school closures etc were all used back then, with varying levels of effectiveness. I'm sure the same would have been happening here, too.

If we were in a similar situation now I guess all those most likely to be killed by this virus would already have been (and it's a vast number, hence lock down). So, we aim to (well, this is old news - but worth repeating as some think the virus has simply gone away)  flatten the peak(s) so health services can cope.

Indeed, the aim was to keep the peak below the rate at which the NHS couldn't cope. We've managed it, but people getting all complacent (as per that Tweet saying it might die out anyway) won't help in the long term. We have, of course, to be very aware of 1918 and that second, and indeed third, wave.

 

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My friend owns a small business. She was hoping to expand and employ 2 more staff this year.

For the past 2 months she has been working every day to keep her business going. She has drawn exactly £0.00 in income over this period.

She has sleepless nights because she may have to make some of her staff redundant if she cannot fully reopen and trade returns to what it was. Bearing in mind that social distancing rules makes it difficult to have 2 members of staff in the same area, even if the customers are there ......


Not everyone is bothered about whether they can get 2 weeks holiday this year. Not everyone has a guaranteed job.


Not everyone on TWO has the faintest idea what some people are going through.

Yes, it must be very difficult for many. Just speaking to my cousin who runs a tea room in York. She has been very lucky. She has been able to furlough all her staff and has a £25k handout and the landlord says he is giving her a rent holiday. SHe will miss out on the tourist trade but otherwise thinks it is no problem. The pizza business in town has gone on line only but says he has never made so much money! However not everybody will fair so well. 

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Yes, I've heard of similar relationships between public schools and those in the state sector. 

There are often bursaries and scholarships available in public schools to help those who cannot afford the fees.

Where the school has an entrance examination then the abilities/potential of the pupils will be higher than in a comprehensive school. Then you have the aspirations of the parents and the home environment: if you're paying thousands of pounds for your child's education you are expecting it to give them an advantage in life through bother higher academic qualifications and extracurricular activities.

From talking with my brother over the years it seems that there are the disruptive minority in every class that makes it more difficult for the others to be taught and to learn. In my experience you just don't get that in a public school.

As for getting kids away from their parents, that's only true of boarding schools and even then only those where you board for the entire term/half-term. 

Thank you, Peter. I know you will forgive me for the ironic throw away generalisation " ...so what was the advantage in the private sector?  Getting kids away from their parents and peers for much of the year? You tell me." and I was of course referring to the boarding side in particular.

I have been educated and/or have taught in most kinds of UK school, private, Public, Grammar, Secondary and Comprehensive, and foreign schools too, and can confirm your statement that that there often is a "disruptive minority in every class that makes it more difficult for the others to be taught and to learn." Almost without exception, this has a correlation of some sort with the culture and mores in which these individuals have grown up and learned their values. These are the kids who make the lives of other pupils unhappy and often a living hell. Teachers too sometimes. The private sector is not exempt from a variety of such dangers but perhaps it does buffer pupils somewhat. It does not prevent them meeting some dodgy and unpleasant characters, but offers enough safety and stability perhaps to prompt parents who can afford it to make the choice for private education.

Having said that I enjoyed my teaching experience in every school I taught in and hope I managed to hit the best of standards everywhere.

R.

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Maybe we do, and maybe we all have stories we can tell of ourselves or people we know, but we don't choose to plaster it all over a weather forum. Maybe you shouldn't assume you have a monopoly on understanding what poverty is.

My apologies.  I though this was the Covid 19 thread.   

Anyway,  look forward to you only posting weather related comments on TWO from now on.  

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  It really would!  I’m not sure I’d want to be the first to get vaccinated though.  

...as long as it works ok on monkeys most of us on here should be okay 

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Let's all hope the trials go well and the Oxford vaccine proves to be the answer.

Wouldn't that be fantastic. They have always been very optimistic so fingers crossed.

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The question for me (and I'm salaried, I chose not to be a businessman) has always been: which is the lesser of evils? Carry on as normal, let the virus rip (several 100K deaths by now), or flatten the peaks, or a combination? Which would have been be you choice?

I really don't know.  I am on the far right and the far left when it comes to what we should do/have done .....    

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Italy

• 675 new cases 


• 145 new deaths

And easily track, trace and isolate this number

You cant do it with at least 3,000 like we do. And the tracers need to be trusted by the local community and know the area. 

We have to hope that Professor Pangloss is correct and the virus will peter out over the Summer. If not, then we are in trouble

Look at India and Mexico. Hot weather may not be the silver bullet as it is with flu

 

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  It really would!  I’m not sure I’d want to be the first to get vaccinated though.  

Even if 30 million are ready to roll in Sept it will take a long time to give them out. If there is a second wave, you are more likely to catch the virus first

I don't understand why they didn't infect volunteers on purpose and speed up the process! 

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If only we had a PM like this, but I fear our media wouldn't allow it 

 

Kiwis don’t go in for elitism...NZ’s Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern and her partner Clarke Gayford were turned away from a café because it was too full on Saturday amid covid restrictions👇🏼 https://t.co/Rc0PSX1mcP

— Bianca Nobilo (@bianca_nobilo) May 17, 2020

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About 6 minutes into this clip, @devisridhar takes us through the January timeline, starting with @WHO learning of the outbreak on Dec 31 & thereafter engaging with member states: 'The clock started for countries to prepare, or not to prepare at that point,' she says. 1/5 https://t.co/4e0bWjWcyt

— Gabby Stern (@gabbystern) May 16, 2020

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