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Brian Gaze
17 May 2020 13:30:50

Teachers and pupils will be “absolutely safe” when they return to school in England on June 1, the former education secretary claimed. He insisted that it was “absolutely safe for children to return, absolutely safe for teachers and other staff to return as well”, when questioned on the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show this morning.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/gove-tells-teachers-it-is-absolutely-safe-to-return-to-school-9vjz9frff

Perhaps Gove's understanding of "absolutely safe" is different to mine. Regardless of the rights and wrongs of schools returning it is impossible to make any environment were people are mingling "absolutely safe". Is he back on class A again?


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Saint Snow
17 May 2020 13:30:52

Why would Unions blocking government decisions be a good thing

Originally Posted by: four 

 

Because they're representing the interests of  their members and protecting their health/lives by seeking to make working conditions as absolutely safe as reasonably possible and getting binding - and national/universal - agreements in place before consenting to return.

That's the whole raison d'etre of unions.

 

The government is being reckless in trying to plough through restriction relaxations without the proper measures in place to stop this pandemic reaching the point again where it threatens to overwhelm the NHS and lead to death figures that dwarf the current 60k.

 


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fairweather
17 May 2020 13:37:58

 

ROFL. Were you skiving during maths lessons?

Llamedos said £42,500 per annum. 3 x £14,167 is £42,500.

The extras are, unsurprisingly, optional and e x t r a.

That’s a Fail I’m afraid. Back for the re-sit.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

We all know you like to have the last word and be the master of put down and assume you have a higher education level than others (incidentally, what exactly is yours?) but if you look back it does say "per half," everywhere. You would do better pointing out to me that I have misinterpreted the meaning of half (have I?) meaning per half term than making cheap remarks about my maths abilty which of course is spot on if that does mean half term.


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Chidog
17 May 2020 13:40:05

 

We all know you like to have the last word and be the master of put down and assume you have a higher education level than others (incidentally, what exactly is yours?) but if you look back it does say "per half," everywhere. You would do better pointing out to me that I have misinterpreted the meaning of half (have I?) meaning per half term than making cheap remarks about my maths abilty which of course is spot on if that does mean half term.

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

Yeah Eton call their terms 'halfs' just to confuse all non attendees, and convince even more people they can't afford it

fairweather
17 May 2020 13:43:54

 

 

Because they're representing the interests of  their members and protecting their health/lives by seeking to make working conditions as absolutely safe as reasonably possible and getting binding - and national/universal - agreements in place before consenting to return.

That's the whole raison d'etre of unions.

 

The government is being reckless in trying to plough through restriction relaxations without the proper measures in place to stop this pandemic reaching the point again where it threatens to overwhelm the NHS and lead to death figures that dwarf the current 60k.

 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

It certainly is. My chavvy neighbours have decided the lockdown is over. Sitting in the back garden round the table with Mother in Law, daughter and grandchildren, all from different households. I was amazed that they lasted so long to be honest.


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fairweather
17 May 2020 13:47:54

 

Yeah Eton call their terms 'halfs' just to confuse all non attendees, and convince even more people they can't afford it

Originally Posted by: Chidog 

Thanks for that.   I accept I was in error, not realising that "half" was a full term. That's the trouble when you come from a Council estate and only have a state grammar school education - you don't know these little "in" things. Still - you do get a decent maths education. 


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llamedos
17 May 2020 13:51:10

 

Thanks for that.   I accept I was in error, not realising that "half" was a full term. That's the trouble when you come from a Council estate and only have a state grammar school education - you don't know these little "in" things. Still - you do get a decent maths education. 

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

It's easy to make that error, it's just one of those utterly useless facts that I happen to have retained!   


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Retron
17 May 2020 13:54:02

 

Thanks for that.   I accept I was in error, not realising that "half" was a full term. That's the trouble when you come from a Council estate and only have a state grammar school education - you don't know these little "in" things. Still - you do get a decent maths education. 

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

Their glossary is very strange! You can see it all here:

https://www.etoncollege.com/glossary.aspx#h

 

 

 


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fairweather
17 May 2020 14:02:41

It's easy to make that error, it's just one of those utterly useless facts that I happen to have retained!   

Originally Posted by: llamedos 

Thank you.   You would have thought they could make it less ambiguous than "£14,167 per half [i.e. term; there are three terms in a year]"

There have always been three terms in all schools but a "half" term means something different in the other 99%. Maybe they should have written it in Latin,  but before Gandalf points out I would have misunderstood that as well he would be right - Latin was the one GCE I did fail in 1965. 


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Ally Pally Snowman
17 May 2020 14:03:38

This is an horrific article.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2020/05/17/teaching-unions-betraying-children-claim-protect/?utm_content=telegraph&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1589699944

Who are they betraying. This language is just not helpful.

Originally Posted by: Heavy Weather 2013 

 

The Telegraph really is a piece of sh1t these days as bad as the Mail.


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The Beast from the East
17 May 2020 14:06:38

 

Can only think this is a bigger weekend admin issue than normal. Cynics will be interested to see how it is reported

Originally Posted by: JHutch 

No doubt the Telegraph will lead on this just as it claimed that London had only 24 cases a few days ago

Yesterday it was 166

There is no doubt Hospital deaths and admissions are falling but the recent breakdown of lockdown may only show itself in June


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The Beast from the East
17 May 2020 14:10:21

 

Good news Gavin. Need that new case figure to start falling below 3k.

Originally Posted by: Phil G 

With all the dodgy self testing, no doubt it will do.

Remarkable how we are following America with the Govt and RWM now desperately downplaying Corona. 


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The Beast from the East
17 May 2020 14:11:39

We're now quarantining our new boat migrants for 14 days... goodness knows why it's taken so long, 

 

 

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Why only the migrants? What about all those richos in private jets? The Virus doesn't discriminate


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Bugglesgate
17 May 2020 14:15:01

 

With all the dodgy self testing, no doubt it will do.

Remarkable how we are following America with the Govt and RWM now desperately downplaying Corona. 

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

 

To be honest, I think self testing will become the   norm.  I can't see that  having to trundle to a regional centre will work for the  numbers we will need.  My "regional centre" is near Oxford, which is a bit of a stretch and a bit inaccessible    to get to from where I am - Then it has to be by car - you don't want people who think they need a test going on Public Transport !  Do you even want ill people driving about in a car ??

 

 

 

 

 

 


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The Beast from the East
17 May 2020 14:15:06

 

Interesting !  My cousin's other half had all the symptoms of it and ended up in hospital for a protracted period  but tested negative.  My Cousin is a nurse and to say she was surprised by the test result would be putting it mildly !

 

Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 

What kind of test was she given?

Perhaps the Govt are using rubbish tests on purpose, to suppress the numbers? 

Wouldn't put it past this shower


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Bugglesgate
17 May 2020 14:16:58

 

What kind of test was she given?

Perhaps the Govt are using rubbish tests on purpose, to suppress the numbers? 

Wouldn't put it past this shower

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

 

He was tested  as a hospital in-patient, so it wouldn't  be self test.

 

 


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The Beast from the East
17 May 2020 14:19:42

 

 

He was tested  as a hospital in-patient, so it wouldn't  be self test.

 

 

Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 

That's more worrying if the proper tests are not working, or there is another virus in circulation, perhaps the one Darren had

 


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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The Beast from the East
17 May 2020 14:23:40

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SJV
17 May 2020 14:25:17

 

Interesting !  My cousin's other half had all the symptoms of it and ended up in hospital for a protracted period  but tested negative.  My Cousin is a nurse and to say she was surprised by the test result would be putting it mildly !

 

Originally Posted by: Bugglesgate 

A close friend of mine had her husband (who works as a postman) get absolutely floored by CV symptoms early last  week. He got taken to hospital and tested, meanwhile their daughter also came down with symptoms a day later that laid her low as well. Both tests came back negative!

Makes me wonder about false negatives.

 

 

That's not a part of her body I am interested in

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Thanks for playing along 

Gavin D
17 May 2020 14:25:46

India has extended its lockdown until May 31st

  • Schools, colleges closed
  • Bars, restaurants closed
  • Passenger flights banned
  • Metro rail services suspended
  • Places of worship closed
  • Shopping malls, gyms, cinemas closed
llamedos
17 May 2020 14:30:41

 

Thank you.   You would have thought they could make it less ambiguous than "£14,167 per half [i.e. term; there are three terms in a year]"

There have always been three terms in all schools but a "half" term means something different in the other 99%. Maybe they should have written it in Latin,  but before Gandalf points out I would have misunderstood that as well he would be right - Latin was the one GCE I did fail in 1965. 

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

I absolutely hated Latin and our Latin teacher hated me, so it was a surprise that I just scraped a pass. It's not all cushy at colleges like Eaton, despite what many may assume, unless it's changed. I had an expensive private education but the regime was tough. 

Monthly exams for the first three years studying 13 subjects. The pass mark was 70% and you were allowed 3 failures after which for each additional failed subject your reward was three strikes on each hand with a whippy cane delivered by a vicious Headmaster. How corporal punishment was ever supposed to improve your learning capacity I'll never know.

The best thing about my school was the fabulous canteen which offered chips everyday - unheard of at the time. Funny what you remember, well apart from "halves"   

Edit: For the purpose of clarification BTW, I didn't go to Eton, just a bog standard private school! 


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The Beast from the East
17 May 2020 14:31:37

 


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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The Beast from the East
17 May 2020 14:36:37

Is he back on class A again?

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Or something else like his pal Portillo

 


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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Gandalf The White
17 May 2020 14:42:00

 

We all know you like to have the last word and be the master of put down and assume you have a higher education level than others (incidentally, what exactly is yours?) but if you look back it does say "per half," everywhere. You would do better pointing out to me that I have misinterpreted the meaning of half (have I?) meaning per half term than making cheap remarks about my maths abilty which of course is spot on if that does mean half term.

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

Look, you chose the style in which to post; you copied and pasted the information. But then you didn’t read it properly.

It says “£14,167 per half [i.e. term; there are three terms in a year”

So, when you start a post with ‘you’re both wrong’ I’ll make no apology for pointing out your errors.

 


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westv
17 May 2020 14:43:27

 

Thanks for that.   I accept I was in error, not realising that "half" was a full term. That's the trouble when you come from a Council estate and only have a state grammar school education - you don't know these little "in" things. Still - you do get a decent maths education. 

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

But what about half term?


At least it will be mild!

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