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Gooner
17 May 2020 15:01:43

 

 

Because they're representing the interests of  their members and protecting their health/lives by seeking to make working conditions as absolutely safe as reasonably possible and getting binding - and national/universal - agreements in place before consenting to return.

That's the whole raison d'etre of unions.

 

The government is being reckless in trying to plough through restriction relaxations without the proper measures in place to stop this pandemic reaching the point again where it threatens to overwhelm the NHS and lead to death figures that dwarf the current 60k.

 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

I e-mailed the head teacher of my daughters school and asked to see the classroom and what measures are in place before they return , no reply as yet 

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Essan
17 May 2020 15:02:30

 But that £90k buys membership of the Old School Tie Network, where you are guaranteed power and privilege and a whopping great salary regardless of merit.

 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


And a lifetime of envy from others who also have far more than they need, but much less than they want  


Speaking as one who, compared with you, is very, very poor 

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westv
17 May 2020 15:19:31

 

Speaking as one who, compared with you, is very, very poor 

Originally Posted by: Essan 

I thought you antique types were always rolling in it LOL!

At least it will be mild!
NickR
17 May 2020 15:22:35

 


And a lifetime of envy from others who also have far more than they need, but much less than they want  


Speaking as one who, compared with you, is very, very poor 

Originally Posted by: Essan 

Really? I had no idea! You must try to mention that more often, Andy.

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Gavin D
17 May 2020 15:34:12
10,035 in hospital down from 10,484 yesterday

Roger Parsons
17 May 2020 15:35:44

But that £90k buys membership of the Old School Tie Network, where you are guaranteed power and privilege and a whopping great salary regardless of merit.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

A top Public School I know had a special relationship with a local Comprehensive School with the aim of improving "views" on both sides. The thing that most struck the comp kids was that the annual fees [then] per pupil in the public school exceeded their parents' annual family incomes. I suspect the quality of teaching was similar in both institutions, certainly very good, and the abilities of pupils was not that different either - also very good - so what was the advantage in the private sector?  Getting kids away from their parents and peers for much of the year? You tell me.

R.

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Gavin D
17 May 2020 15:38:18
3,142 new cases in the UK excluding Northern Ireland who are unable to update at present due to a technical issue

170 all settings deaths

Gavin D
17 May 2020 15:40:15
Oxford to mass produce the vaccine with 30 million ready by September.
Northern Sky
17 May 2020 15:46:19

Oxford to mass produce the vaccine with 30 million ready by September.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

If they can do that it really would be an outstanding feat of Human ingenuity.

Gavin D
17 May 2020 15:50:43

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llamedos
17 May 2020 15:51:00

 

A top Public School I know had a special relationship with a local Comprehensive School with the aim of improving "views" on both sides. The thing that most struck the comp kids was that the annual fees [then] per pupil in the public school exceeded their parents' annual family incomes. I suspect the quality of teaching was similar in both institutions, certainly very good, and the abilities of pupils was not that different either - also very good - so what was the advantage in the private sector?  Getting kids away from their parents and peers for much of the year? You tell me.

R.

Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 

I agree with that Roger, perhaps there ought to be a different thread to discuss this - I can't find a current version.

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NickR
17 May 2020 15:54:42

Oxford to mass produce the vaccine with 30 million ready by September.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

... if the trials are successful. A slightly important point.

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Roger Parsons
17 May 2020 16:04:15

I agree with that Roger, perhaps there ought to be a different thread to discuss this - I can't find a current version.

Originally Posted by: llamedos 

Threads often hark back to issues such as fairness, equitability and fulfilling human potential. A "fairness" thread would probably deteriorate into "Fascists versus Dave Sparts" - but often it's a bit like that already. You never know - some good ideas might emerge from the primal slime.

R.

RogerP

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17 May 2020 16:05:46

 

If they can do that it really would be an outstanding feat of Human ingenuity.

Originally Posted by: Northern Sky 

  It really would!  I’m not sure I’d want to be the first to get vaccinated though.  

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llamedos
17 May 2020 16:08:30

 

Threads often hark back to issues such as fairness, equitability and fulfilling human potential. A "fairness" thread would probably deteriorate into "Fascists versus Dave Sparts" - but often it's a bit like that already. You never know - some good ideas might emerge from the primal slime.

R.

Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 

So much the same as the leakage we have here then. 

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David M Porter
17 May 2020 16:23:04

Oxford to mass produce the vaccine with 30 million ready by September.

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 

Let's all hope the trials go well and the Oxford vaccine proves to be the answer.

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SJV
17 May 2020 16:25:28

 

... if the trials are successful. A slightly important point.

Originally Posted by: NickR 

Very important. Gavin's post phrases it like it's a sure thing when it is anything but. Let's hope the trials are successful 

Brian Gaze
17 May 2020 16:27:04

Professor Pangloss suggests the virus could burn out before a vaccine arrives. Wrt more immunity than estimated wouldn't it imply infections in older adults would probably be at a lower level than in younger ones?

 

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Retron
17 May 2020 16:33:29

Professor Pangloss suggests the virus could burn out before a vaccine arrives. Wrt more immunity than estimated wouldn't it imply infections in older adults would probably be at a lower level than in younger ones?

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

What's the saying... "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

First waves always fizzle out eventually, or rather die down to background noise, so the professor isn't saying anything new.

The key is not to repeat what happened in the likes of 1918!

(Chart from Wiki, showing the second and third wave of the 1918 flu outbreak in the UK).

Edited: chart is the whole of the UK, not just London.

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ozone_aurora
17 May 2020 16:34:48

More good news!

Coronavirus: UK daily death figure dips to lowest since day after lockdown.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52699483. 

Brian Gaze
17 May 2020 16:35:43

 

What's the saying... "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

First waves always fizzle out eventually, or rather die down to background noise, so the professor isn't saying anything new.

The key is not to repeat what happened in the likes of 1918!

(Chart from Wiki, showing the second and third wave of the 1918 flu outbreak in London).

Originally Posted by: Retron 

 Indeed. That was my thought too.

Brian Gaze

Berkhamsted

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Gandalf The White
17 May 2020 16:35:57

 

A top Public School I know had a special relationship with a local Comprehensive School with the aim of improving "views" on both sides. The thing that most struck the comp kids was that the annual fees [then] per pupil in the public school exceeded their parents' annual family incomes. I suspect the quality of teaching was similar in both institutions, certainly very good, and the abilities of pupils was not that different either - also very good - so what was the advantage in the private sector?  Getting kids away from their parents and peers for much of the year? You tell me.

R.

Originally Posted by: Roger Parsons 

Yes, I've heard of similar relationships between public schools and those in the state sector. 

There are often bursaries and scholarships available in public schools to help those who cannot afford the fees.

Where the school has an entrance examination then the abilities/potential of the pupils will be higher than in a comprehensive school. Then you have the aspirations of the parents and the home environment: if you're paying thousands of pounds for your child's education you are expecting it to give them an advantage in life through bother higher academic qualifications and extracurricular activities.

From talking with my brother over the years it seems that there are the disruptive minority in every class that makes it more difficult for the others to be taught and to learn. In my experience you just don't get that in a public school.

As for getting kids away from their parents, that's only true of boarding schools and even then only those where you board for the entire term/half-term. 

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NickR
17 May 2020 16:37:49

Professor Pangloss suggests the virus could burn out before a vaccine arrives. Wrt more immunity than estimated wouldn't it imply infections in older adults would probably be at a lower level than in younger ones?

 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

He's a dangerous twat. He is not an expert in this field, but tries to pass himself off as such. Check him out on wikipedia.

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Durham

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Devonian
17 May 2020 16:40:02

Professor Pangloss suggests the virus could burn out before a vaccine arrives. Wrt more immunity than estimated wouldn't it imply infections in older adults would probably be at a lower level than in younger ones?

 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Huh? If the virus is petering out it's because its been locked down. The is no doubt that a lock down (aka as stopping people moving about so spreading the virus) works.

Devonian
17 May 2020 16:42:50

 

He's a dangerous twat. He is not an expert in this field, but tries to pass himself off as such. Check him out on wikipedia.

Originally Posted by: NickR 

Ahh, right

University of Buckingham eh...

Alternative medicines....

And available for interview by the Daily Mail no doubt...

 

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