Downpour
18 July 2019 07:42:24

Originally Posted by: TimS 

Just to keep us all on our toes the ECM 00z brings the traditional school holiday switch, just in time for break up day next week.


The schools break up tomorrow.


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Brian Gaze
18 July 2019 07:52:50

Looks like the heat will break next week but it's interesting see a few GEFS runs showing mid 30C even in early August.



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18 July 2019 08:06:28

Originally Posted by: Downpour 


 


The schools break up tomorrow.



Your children are lucky. Mine break up next Wednesday.


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xioni2
18 July 2019 08:16:04

Originally Posted by: TimS 


 Your children are lucky. Mine break up next Wednesday.



I blame them 


The breakdown in the 2nd half of next week looks the most likely outcome, but it's not over yet.

Ally Pally Snowman
18 July 2019 09:07:30

 The ECM mean is hotter and less unsettled than the Op longer-term,  as you might expect.


 


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Rob K
18 July 2019 09:17:24

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


Looks like the heat will break next week but it's interesting see a few GEFS runs showing mid 30C even in early August.




 


Why are there two green (operational) lines on that graph, Brian? Is it a display problem or am I reading it wrong?


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18 July 2019 10:06:30

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


 


Why are there two green (operational) lines on that graph, Brian? Is it a display problem or am I reading it wrong?



Max and min?


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Ally Pally Snowman
18 July 2019 10:23:32

Originally Posted by: TimS 


 


Max and min?



 


It's wrong then the 0z had 30+ maxes for London next week.


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18 July 2019 10:24:15

GFS 06z replicates the pattern of 00z but is a tiny bit later to breakdown. This means maxes of 34C on Tuesday and 36 on Wed, which if it's sunny I reckon could easily actually be 35-36C then 37-38C. 41-42C in France. Then breakdown but still hot on Thursday and Friday.


ICON similar but less meridional up to 120hrs.


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Ally Pally Snowman
18 July 2019 10:25:45

GFS 6z maxes for London next week Monday 28c, Tuesday 34c, Wednesday 36c, Thursday 32c , Friday 29c 


 


You can normally add a couple of degrees for the actual UK max. Could be a record breaker next week. 


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Hungry Tiger
18 July 2019 10:26:44

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


GFS 6z maxes for London next week Monday 28c, Tuesday 34c, Wednesday 36c, Thursday 32c 



Phew so thats nudging a record.


 


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Rob K
18 July 2019 10:31:54

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 


GFS 6z maxes for London next week Monday 28c, Tuesday 34c, Wednesday 36c, Thursday 32c , Friday 29c 


 


You can normally add a couple of degrees for the actual UK max. Could be a record breaker next week. 



 


It does seem like we get "potential record breakers" remarkably often in summer these days. 35C+ used to be quite a rarity but now it seems like a regular occurrence, at least on the models!


 



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Ally Pally Snowman
18 July 2019 10:33:13

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 


 


Phew so thats nudging a record.


 



 


July record is definitely under threat 36.7c 


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Rob K
18 July 2019 10:35:43
What was the maximum thickness reading in the spell at the end of June? Did it reach 580dam? This run has 577dam in the south.
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Brian Gaze
18 July 2019 10:38:57

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


 


It does seem like we get "potential record breakers" remarkably often in summer these days. 35C+ used to be quite a rarity but now it seems like a regular occurrence, at least on the models!


 



20C 850hPa does seem to be losing its shock and awe value in the UK it has to be said. Heat also now seems to build astonishingly quickly. 


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Ally Pally Snowman
18 July 2019 10:43:17

Yes please GFS 6z rebuilds high pressure in FI. Probably the best possible outcome.


 


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18 July 2019 10:51:28

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


 


20C 850hPa does seem to be losing its shock and awe value in the UK it has to be said. Heat also now seems to build astonishingly quickly. 



I've noticed this myself. When I see 20C on a chart I don't immediately gasp. Only a few years ago I did. Would be the equivalent of -15C in winter becoming something that comes along every 2 or 3 years.


Likewise 25C over the continent. Happening again next week.


Agree with Ally Pally that the GFS 06z is a very nice evolution. Scorching heat, then a bit of thunder (though maybe rather less rain would be better), then calming down to pleasantly warm sunny weather is ideal.


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18 July 2019 11:12:26

Originally Posted by: TimS 


 


I've noticed this myself. When I see 20C on a chart I don't immediately gasp. Only a few years ago I did. Would be the equivalent of -15C in winter becoming something that comes along every 2 or 3 years.


Likewise 25C over the continent. Happening again next week.


Agree with Ally Pally that the GFS 06z is a very nice evolution. Scorching heat, then a bit of thunder (though maybe rather less rain would be better), then calming down to pleasantly warm sunny weather is ideal.



I was thinking the same thing. until 2003. The 32C seemed to always be the upper limit to alot of heatwaves. 34C now seems like a run of the mill figure. Maybe its just perception. But when I was younger I used to get so excited if 33C or above was shown as very rarely seemed to be the case.


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Downpour
18 July 2019 11:41:47

Originally Posted by: TimS 


 


I've noticed this myself. When I see 20C on a chart I don't immediately gasp. Only a few years ago I did. Would be the equivalent of -15C in winter becoming something that comes along every 2 or 3 years.


Likewise 25C over the continent. Happening again next week.


Agree with Ally Pally that the GFS 06z is a very nice evolution. Scorching heat, then a bit of thunder (though maybe rather less rain would be better), then calming down to pleasantly warm sunny weather is ideal.



 


Yes, a very decent 6z. Actually keeps the SE quadrant dry beyond next weekend. A fab evolution. Hopefully the trendsetter. 


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18 July 2019 12:03:10

Originally Posted by: Downpour 


 Yes, a very decent 6z. Actually keeps the SE quadrant dry beyond next weekend. A fab evolution. Hopefully the trendsetter. 



But some of us who are gardeners do need the rain!


I wasn't  really agreeing with you earlier, but putting a different emphasis, hot early rather than warm, and a thundery breakdown followed by the foreseeable future pleasant rather than warm, i.e. close to or a little above average. I think that's still on according to the 06z


For warmth, I see that GFS06z has another (short-lived) plume around the 29th once the thundery stuff is out of the way


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