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moomin75
19 January 2019 18:39:17

What a let down

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Can only be a let down if you get drawn in to the dream charts. I never bought it sadly. We need these charts to show winter no more than 72 hours away and even then they can backtrack. It's disappointing yes, but really no surprise. As Quantum said earlier, and I paraphrase, but basically always back the mildest charts because they will usually be correct.


Witney, Oxfordshire

100m ASL

tallyho_83
19 January 2019 18:39:42

I’m looking forward to the rest of this run

I hasten to add not because it is definitely going to be cold, it just looks interesting!

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

High pressure trying to build more strongly over Greenland squeezing LP's further south and bringing in a northerly! seems like the pressure is much higher than in the 00z run of ECM. But this is a poor update still.


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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Sean Moon

Magical Moon

www.magical-moon.com

tallyho_83
19 January 2019 18:43:48

I’m looking forward to the rest of this run

I hasten to add not because it is definitely going to be cold, it just looks interesting!

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

+192 - our northerly I anticipated:


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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Sean Moon

Magical Moon

www.magical-moon.com

jhall
19 January 2019 18:45:15

 

I've suggested this before, but what if the model output was only released out to 5 days? I think this would make a lot of sense, as anything after can only be truly interpreted by professional meteorologists. True, they are a lot of fun to look at, but also mentally draining during peak winter season. We often await the next run before the current one is even finished! Maybe sometimes, less is more. Model output, pretty much like anything else in modern society, has become product that is easily disposed of. Anyone remember yesterday's 06z run? Most probably not, but I guarantee that most of us were awaiting with bated breath before it rolled out! 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

What! Why would you deny us all the harmless entertainment of watching the model runs unfold? How would we pass the time on these dark winter evenings? πŸ™‚ (Yes, I've noted your smiley.) 


Cranleigh, Surrey
Gavin D
19 January 2019 18:49:08

 

+192 - our northerly I anticipated:

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

 

Looks like a toppler to me I'd expect to see a west to northwesterly flow developing again at t216

Ally Pally Snowman
19 January 2019 18:49:58

Don't worry folks JMA has this nailed. 

 

 

https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/jma.php?ech=24&mode=1&nh=0&archive=0

 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Gooner
19 January 2019 18:50:27

Have to say , I'm ok with this pattern change 

Could be  good end to the month 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus

Banbury

North Oxfordshire

378 feet A S L



jhall
19 January 2019 18:53:33

 

Could you send me the link as to how you get access to about ensemble chart as the wetterzentrale has stopped updating it's ensemble charts since Wednesday.

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

The one I use is still being updated. It's

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/MS_-251_ens.png

That's for 2W (the minus sign indicates a longitude that's west of the Meridian), 51N, so roughly corresponds to the location of Saisbury, but I assume that you could substitute any other whole number of degrees. I can't remember why I'm using those co-ordinates, as they are for a point well to the west of where I live.


Cranleigh, Surrey
Ally Pally Snowman
19 January 2019 18:55:52

JMA is the new ICON if anyone was wondering 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Gooner
19 January 2019 18:58:27

If verified to this point , the following days could be very interesting - trouble is this is 5 days into FI


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus

Banbury

North Oxfordshire

378 feet A S L



tallyho_83
19 January 2019 19:00:46

ALthough NO Easterly - it does end more interesting at 240 with another potent northerly if you could run on another day or two on this 12z run:

Just shame it only goes to 240 but if it can't get the pattern/set up right at 168 then i guess 240 will do for now in terms of model watching of the ECM!

 


Home Location - Vixen Tor Close, Okehampton, Devon (221m ASL)

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Sean Moon

Magical Moon

www.magical-moon.com

JACKO4EVER
19 January 2019 19:01:42
ECM gives a milder interlude then more jam tomorrow in FI

David M Porter
19 January 2019 19:02:56

ECM says game over

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 

For the easterly next week? Yes, quite likely. For cold generally? Not a chance.


Lenzie, Glasgow

"A body of men holding themselves accountable to nobody ought not to be trusted by anybody." – Thomas Paine

jhall
19 January 2019 19:03:36

If verified to this point , the following days could be very interesting - trouble is this is 5 days into FI

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

Yes, there are possibilities there. But your sig about anything beyond T+120 being just for fun has seemed more apposite than ever over the last couple of days. As you say, T+240 is 5 days into FI at present.


Cranleigh, Surrey
doctormog
19 January 2019 19:03:50

ECM gives a milder interlude then more jam tomorrow in FI

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 

Cold, less cold interlude and colder again? Where have I seen that before?


Ally Pally Snowman
19 January 2019 19:06:03

 

For the easterly next week? Yes, quite likely. For cold generally? Not a chance.

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 

 

Yes annoying isn't it.

I'd so love for the JMA to verify though 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Gandalf The White
19 January 2019 19:07:05

ECM gives a milder interlude then more jam tomorrow in FI

Originally Posted by: JACKO4EVER 

You mean cold weather in the reliable timeframe and then mild then cold in FI.


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



ballamar
19 January 2019 19:16:17
Given the upper atmospheric conditions it knows where it wants to get but because of these pulses in the jet stream it keeps being delayed. Hopefully it can get there whilst it is still mid winter - before the last 2 weeks February. Still optimistic although looks like next week will be more mobile than it looked 36 hours ago.
Rob K
19 January 2019 19:19:10
Fascinating output at the moment with a 15C spread on the ensembles at just 6 days out and close to 20C just a couple of days later.

Truly anything is on the table from mild westerlies to frigid easterlies and anything in between. Boring it certainly isn’t!


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

"But who wants to be foretold the weather? It is bad enough when it comes, without our having the misery of knowing about it beforehand." β€” Jerome K. Jerome

Chunky Pea
19 January 2019 19:21:46

I love how that low heading towards Scotland towards the end of the run actually deflects the most potent flow out towards the Atlantic, where it is of no use to anyone.

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=ecm&var=3&time=240&run=12&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=24

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

jhall
19 January 2019 19:25:26

Given the upper atmospheric conditions it knows where it wants to get but because of these pulses in the jet stream it keeps being delayed. Hopefully it can get there whilst it is still mid winter - before the last 2 weeks February. Still optimistic although looks like next week will be more mobile than it looked 36 hours ago.

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

I find it interesting that, although the GFS ensemble mean 850 mb temperatures is higher for about days 6-10 than it was a day or two ago, it's hardly changed (st least for southern England) in the longer term. It's still around -5C.


Cranleigh, Surrey
Gooner
19 January 2019 19:30:19

I've noticed such an obsession with Easterly winds over seeing snow , snow is my priority every winter regardless of which point of the compass it comes from


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



Marcus

Banbury

North Oxfordshire

378 feet A S L



Karl Guille
19 January 2019 19:35:33

Don't worry folks JMA has this nailed. 

 

 

https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/jma.php?ech=24&mode=1&nh=0&archive=0

 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

 

I'll raise you NAVGEM!!


St. Sampson

Guernsey

Gandalf The White
19 January 2019 19:38:34

I've noticed such an obsession with Easterly winds over seeing snow , snow is my priority every winter regardless of which point of the compass it comes from

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

Yes, it's odd how the mood was changed by the sudden signs of an easterly.  It wasn't many days ago that we were looking at cold zonality and the chance of Arctic incursions and that was good enough.

ECM, albeit in deep FI, beings us back full circle with very cold uppers on a strong NNW flow.


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



PFCSCOTTY
19 January 2019 19:43:19

I've noticed such an obsession with Easterly winds over seeing snow , snow is my priority every winter regardless of which point of the compass it comes from

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

i suspect it’s (in rail terms) the type of snow! ...a wet slushy mix at 2-3 degrees that lasts 3 hours and you get soaked walking in it, is very different to a sub zero fest of powdery snow, that brushes off you and lasts for a few days is the number one choice for most of us in the south at least. 

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