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marting
19 January 2019 12:48:44
So theme continues of cold with north westerly fronts and then longer term becoming even colder with higher snow chances as time moves on. Take that anytime.

Martin


Martin

Greasby, Wirral.

Shropshire
19 January 2019 12:51:19

So theme continues of cold with north westerly fronts and then longer term becoming even colder with higher snow chances as time moves on. Take that anytime.
Martin

Originally Posted by: marting 

If it actually happens   but we know from what we have seen this morning, and our battle hardened experience, that barring miracles next weekend will NOT be cold/very cold.

 


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marting
19 January 2019 12:56:41
Yes, lots of ifs and maybes when following the weather and trying to predict🙄

I thin barring miracles is a bit far, the forecast suggests fronts coming down from the north as per ECM

Martin


Martin

Greasby, Wirral.

cultman1
19 January 2019 12:58:09
Have the Met Office got this recent update wrong? Unless I am mistaken or missing something they are continuing with the cold theme for the foreseeable future . Someone please explain who is right as I really respect the experts on this forum
Brian Gaze
19 January 2019 13:07:32

Have the Met Office got this recent update wrong? Unless I am mistaken or missing something they are continuing with the cold theme for the foreseeable future . Someone please explain who is right as I really respect the experts on this forum

Originally Posted by: cultman1 

You'll have to wait and see. Why can't people accept uncertainty and probability?

 


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Shropshire
19 January 2019 13:09:13

Have the Met Office got this recent update wrong? Unless I am mistaken or missing something they are continuing with the cold theme for the foreseeable future . Someone please explain who is right as I really respect the experts on this forum

Originally Posted by: cultman1 

Updates often seem a cut and paste job at weekends and I think they are just waiting for confirmation from the 12z/0z runs before changing to an Atlantic based outlook for next weekend.

 


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Brian Gaze
19 January 2019 13:09:30

Outlook for the UK over the next 6-30 days

UK Outlook for Thursday 24 Jan 2019 to Saturday 2 Feb 2019:

Thursday and Friday will see a very cold north to north-easterly airstream bringing sunshine and showers, the showers giving rain or snow and most frequent in the north and northeast. It looks breezy on Thursday perhaps with coastal gales in the south and east, although winds should ease on Friday. Widespread locally severe night frosts are also likely. Later on Friday, rain preceded by snow may arrive in the far west and northwest, accompanied by strengthening winds. During the weekend and following week a lot of fine weather is expected with the chance of some wintry showers. Staying cold or very cold, with widespread frost. However, some wet and windy weather is likely in the northwest, which may briefly spread further southeast giving some snow on encountering the colder air.

Originally Posted by: Arcus 

I would expect a very cold air stream to bring snow in January. Rain or snow is a tad odd. 

Edit: Shouldn't it be air stream? 


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Gandalf The White
19 January 2019 13:10:29

Have the Met Office got this recent update wrong? Unless I am mistaken or missing something they are continuing with the cold theme for the foreseeable future . Someone please explain who is right as I really respect the experts on this forum

Originally Posted by: cultman1 

The most important point to note is that the experts have access to far more information than is made public and they're far more qualified to interpret that information.

The second point is that beyond around five days the professionals don't rely on the operational output and they don't react (overreact) to every computer run.  The ensemble outputs have been consistent in showing predominantly colder weather: the forecasts reflect the strong likelihood of cold weather with the risk of some very cold weather, in line with the ensembles that we can see.

If the Met Office is holding to its forecast then it's because that's what the model output is suggesting is most likely.  There are very very few amateurs with the same level of skill and knowledge.


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Bertwhistle
19 January 2019 13:10:47

 

If it actually happens   but we know from what we have seen this morning, and our battle hardened experience, that barring miracles next weekend will NOT be cold/very cold.

 

Originally Posted by: Shropshire 

Well, according to the MetO forecast above, which is given twice to emphasise the point  the MetO are not so easily cowed by wobbles in the models as- well, as the more fickle view. Good leadership that- indecision is worse than being wrong. 

 


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Gandalf The White
19 January 2019 13:11:32

 

Updates often seem a cut and paste job at weekends and I think they are just waiting for confirmation from the 12z/0z runs before changing to an Atlantic based outlook for next weekend.

 

Originally Posted by: Shropshire 

So, there's nobody with any knowledge working at weekends?


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doctormog
19 January 2019 13:15:20

I would expect a very cold airstream to bring snow in January. Rain or snow is a tad odd. 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

You have obviously never been in Aberdeen in a “cold” winter easterly where rain is as likely snow.


cultman1
19 January 2019 14:12:38

[quote=Brian Gaze;1075520]

 

You'll have to wait and see. Why can't people accept uncertainty and probability?

 

In fairness you have a valid point ! Noted

John p
19 January 2019 14:16:26

 

Updates often seem a cut and paste job at weekends and I think they are just waiting for confirmation from the 12z/0z runs before changing to an Atlantic based outlook for next weekend.

 

Originally Posted by: Shropshire 

This guy writes them, why don't you ask him?

https://twitter.com/Petagna/status/1086605889208020993?s=19

 


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19 January 2019 14:22:50

 

So, there's nobody with any knowledge working at weekends?

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

If it is organised anything like the NHS then no. Have you ever tried to get answers to seemingly urgent medical questions when a close relative is in hospital? I have found the nurses have always seem bemused that I should think this is even possible! Sorry O/T


Rob

In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.

Arcus
19 January 2019 14:28:20

 

This guy writes them, why don't you ask him?

https://twitter.com/Petagna/status/1086605889208020993?s=19

 

Originally Posted by: John p 

Is he a coldie then? 

 

"Signs that the US is developing nicely...just need it to amplify the N ridge next few days to encourage a cold E to NE to develop across the UK later next week"


Ben,

Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire

30m asl

Arcus
19 January 2019 14:30:28


Ben,

Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire

30m asl

Downpour
19 January 2019 15:15:27

 

Is he a coldie then? 

 

"Signs that the US is developing nicely...just need it to amplify the N ridge next few days to encourage a cold E to NE to develop across the UK later next week"

Originally Posted by: Arcus 

 

Petagna is indeed a massive coldie but has to remain neutral in his forecasting of course!


Chingford

London E4

147ft

Steady
19 January 2019 15:35:43
30 dayer is updated and it reads quite well to me! Slightly less bullish but positively cold or ‘very cold’ with ongoing risk of snow!

The rollercoaster continues. Is this a sign that the 12z will swing again?!


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tallyho_83
19 January 2019 16:12:11

 

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Here's the snowstorm over the Eastern Seaboard that's been causing all the problems with the weather models for our side of the pond. It looks absolutely beautiful!


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Brian Gaze
19 January 2019 16:23:15

 

This guy writes them, why don't you ask him?

https://twitter.com/Petagna/status/1086605889208020993?s=19

 

Originally Posted by: John p 

Here goes...


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idj20
19 January 2019 16:53:37

If the latest model output runs are to go by on, anyone reading and believing in that crap from that certain red top rag are going to end up being bitterly disappointed.

Seriously, don't give that paper any more attention than it needs by showing it in here, it just doesn't serve any purpose whatsoever.


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David M Porter
19 January 2019 16:59:15

 

The most important point to note is that the experts have access to far more information than is made public and they're far more qualified to interpret that information.

The second point is that beyond around five days the professionals don't rely on the operational output and they don't react (overreact) to every computer run.  The ensemble outputs have been consistent in showing predominantly colder weather: the forecasts reflect the strong likelihood of cold weather with the risk of some very cold weather, in line with the ensembles that we can see.

If the Met Office is holding to its forecast then it's because that's what the model output is suggesting is most likely.  There are very very few amateurs with the same level of skill and knowledge.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Well said, Peter.

I think the likes of Ian would do well to remember what you have said here before he bangs on about the MetO altering their cold outlook just because the op runs and other model info that we have access to might suggest otherwise.


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Gavin D
19 January 2019 17:17:12

BBC monthly outlook

Summary

Turning rather chilly and unsettled.

Saturday 19 January—Sunday 27 January

Cold week with a chance of snow for some.

This week looks to be rather unsettled with low pressure diving south across the UK into Western Europe. It will generally be cloudy with rain coming in along fronts that are expected to arrive Sunday and again on Tuesday. Scattered sharp showers will drift in at times mainly for western counties, and these may be wintry of thundery in places.

Beyond Tuesday, high pressure will build in the Atlantic with a broad area of low pressure developing in the Western Mediterranean. The weather will be chilly but a bit dull for the UK until Thursday, when a ridge of high pressure will extend to the north of the UK and help to develop some easterly winds. There is still some uncertainty on the exact timing and intensity of these winds, with a chance of high pressure staying further west and keeping the winds northerly. In either case, however, it will be colder than average with a brisk wind at times.

If easterlies develop for the latter part of the week, expect scattered snow showers drifting in from the east across the North Sea, mainly impacting eastern and central Britain with western counties staying dry but cold with largely clear skies. Frosts are expected overnight for most places throughout the week with crisp afternoon highs. There is still a risk (~20%) that easterlies will struggle to develop later in the week. It will still be cold in this scenario, but snow showers in the east would be unlikely.

Monday 28 January—Sunday 3 February

Staying cold with further snow risks.

The end of January and the start of February see a continuation of the cold weather for the UK, with a period of even colder weather becoming increasingly likely. Model solutions are beginning to converge on a generally cold but dry week, with some pulses of colder air bringing in a risk for wintry weather.

High pressure in the Atlantic is expected to persist through the week, with generally lower pressure over mainland Europe and the Western Mediterranean, occasionally shifting north and closer to the UK. A rather complex weather pattern unfolding, is leading to a higher degree of uncertainty on the day-to-day specifics of the forecast, with minor shifts in the location of the low and high pressure areas leading to large swings in temperature and precipitation forecasts for the UK. There is a chance (~20%) of high pressure in the Atlantic breaking down and retreating further south, leading to a more progressive flow bringing fronts and milder but windier weather into the UK.

Monday 4 February—Sunday 17 February

Colder than average but with some mild weather too

There continues to be the likelihood of some cold and perhaps wintry weather through mid-February. Stratospheric weather patterns above the Arctic at a height of around 30 km have been much weaker and warmer than usual in January. However, these patterns are expected to strengthen again through February.

What this means for us down at the surface in the UK, is that at some point in mid or perhaps late February we should see the colder air retreat into Scandinavia and Russia and a return to milder weather with progressive fronts moving in from the west. There can be quite a delay in the low levels of the atmosphere responding to this stratospheric pattern, so the cold pattern is expected to linger for most of Northern Europe, including the UK, through to at least mid-February. However, we may start to see some milder breaks in the cold weather by mid-month, with occasional lows moving in from the north-west bringing some milder air for a day or two. Similar to previous weeks discussed above, the complex weather pattern is leading to some uncertainty in any day-to-day specifics.

Next Update

We will take a closer look at the risk for snow showers in the east later this month and just how long we will be in the grips of this cold spell.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/outlook

John p
19 January 2019 17:30:32

 

Here goes...

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

👍


Camberley, Surrey

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