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Jiries
10 March 2024 20:59:47
Originally Posted by: johncs2016 

Every time we get some dry weather though, it's then not usually long before somebody then starts a drought thread on here, so I suppose that you have that occasionally to a certain extent.🤣



Those media and drought talking nonsense and severe overhyped in this country, it really stupid and they never learn or go to Africa or other places where proper drought, high temperatures and cloudless months.  1976 and 2018 summer shown how it like being so dry but still cannot matched other places that last months or years and cloudless skies.   60 day so no rain in 2018 was absolutely a bliss and countryside became so clean and beautiful with clear skies, fresh air, cooler nights and sunny days, more like Namibian arid climate.

Any long dry spell in the UK is very normal and ground need a dry break as most of the year is wet especailly from end of sept to end of March when soil never dried up.  The latest proper dried up ground was October 1995 and March 1993 and 2003.  
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Saint Snow
11 March 2024 11:27:28
I see the rain is going to be slightly warmer this week.

 

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fairweather
11 March 2024 22:28:17
Originally Posted by: johncs2016 

Every time we get some dry weather though, it's then not usually long before somebody then starts a drought thread on here, so I suppose that you have that occasionally to a certain extent.🤣


A good point and it's usually me 😂 But it does reflect the major climate change here in southern East Anglia. We don't get changeable any more. We get long blocks of the same weather. So we havehad10 weeks of dull wet weather. Before long we will get a 10 week dry spell. e don't get a mixture in the space of two weeks any more. The UK having very changeable weather is a myth these days.
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johncs2016
11 March 2024 22:50:28
Originally Posted by: fairweather 

A good point and it's usually me 😂 But it does reflect the major climate change here in southern East Anglia. We don't get changeable any more. We get long blocks of the same weather. So we havehad10 weeks of dull wet weather. Before long we will get a 10 week dry spell. e don't get a mixture in the space of two weeks any more. The UK having very changeable weather is a myth these days.



I've often been guilty of that myself in the past and to be honest, I still wouldn't be surprised if I ended up doing so again in the future because although there has been quite a lot of recent wet weather around the UK in general, Edinburgh has generally escaped quite a lot of that, and the end result of this is that we have never actually came close to making up the vast rainfall deficit from the over the two year period prior to all that.

The end result of this is that it probably won't take all that much in the way of drier weather for us to be back in a drought situation once again in this part of the world and given that we're not getting the amounts of rain here which everyone else is getting, that is bound to become the case here, long before anywhere else even gets close to such a scenario.

The winter which has just passed points that out really well. We did get a wetter than winter overall even here in Edinburgh, but that was only due to an exceptionally wet December which massively skewed the overall totals for the entire winter.

During the rest of the winter, the rest of the UK continued to be wetter than average in January and February but as that happened, this part of the world where I am actually went slightly drier than average during those two months.

The end result of this is that we still haven't yet had a wetter than average month here during this year so far and as it is looking at the moment as though this month isn't going to be all that wet here overall either even though more unsettled weather is on the way in the meantime.

I also agree with the above point about the weather not being as changeable as it once used to be, although I still don't think that there is anywhere else in the UK where the weather is generally more boring and uninteresting overall than is the case here in Edinburgh.
 
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Jiries
12 March 2024 06:22:08
Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

I see the rain is going to be slightly warmer this week.

 



That correct with low teen temps but all under wind and rain nothing else on offer as Autumn season all year round are expected to be norm so already eliminated other 3 seasons no longer exist.  Average from 6 in Jan to 22 in July in the very past to 8 to 24 in the recent past will be 10 to 17 more like Iceland summer climate.  
Jiries
13 March 2024 13:08:47
Originally Posted by: fairweather 

A good point and it's usually me 😂 But it does reflect the major climate change here in southern East Anglia. We don't get changeable any more. We get long blocks of the same weather. So we havehad10 weeks of dull wet weather. Before long we will get a 10 week dry spell. e don't get a mixture in the space of two weeks any more. The UK having very changeable weather is a myth these days.



Now it seem it will be forever wind, cloudy and rain all year around.  When this will end and give a change to settled over due dry spell.   After all the rain yesterday today very cloudy and very yellowish polluted clouds because no clear air had arrive at all for long time now.  Poor sun tring to come out but nasty aggressive cloud won;t bulge at all.
Saint Snow
13 March 2024 13:19:54
R5L had a snippet this morning on how well Californian Redwoods/Giant Sequoia are doing in the UK. They've only been here for up to 130 years, so still toddlers in Sequoia terms (generally live up to 3,000 years!).

The presenter suggested that the dry conditions in the SE - increasingly amplified by climate change - would be ideal for them, but no. The trees at Benmore Botanical Gardens in Scotland grow faster and better than their counterparts at Havering in the SE.

Astonishingly, there's an estimated 500,000 sequoias in the UK - more than 6 times more than in their native Sierra Nevada mountains (where they're endangered with only 80,000 trees remaining)

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johncs2016
14 March 2024 10:57:17
Originally Posted by: Jiries 

Now it seem it will be forever wind, cloudy and rain all year around.  When this will end and give a change to settled over due dry spell.   After all the rain yesterday today very cloudy and very yellowish polluted clouds because no clear air had arrive at all for long time now.  Poor sun tring to come out but nasty aggressive cloud won;t bulge at all.



If there's any consolation, I suppose that if the weather is going to be rubbish, it is at least much better if we get the worst of that out of the way just now rather than us having to be enduring that during the summer (that is, assume that you would like see a decent summer as most of us would of course).
 
The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
Jiries
14 March 2024 14:50:57
Originally Posted by: johncs2016 

If there's any consolation, I suppose that if the weather is going to be rubbish, it is at least much better if we get the worst of that out of the way just now rather than us having to be enduring that during the summer (that is, assume that you would like see a decent summer as most of us would of course).
 



My fear is this Autumn set up will be forever all year around and it seems happening now. Today again strong winds and cloud so same repeating all the time.  UK climate is on the verge to lose 3 seasons out as it not adhere at all with Autumn all year round.  We passed last Spring, Summer and this winter being void completely.
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14 March 2024 15:09:57
Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

R5L had a snippet this morning on how well Californian Redwoods/Giant Sequoia are doing in the UK. They've only been here for up to 130 years, so still toddlers in Sequoia terms (generally live up to 3,000 years!).

The presenter suggested that the dry conditions in the SE - increasingly amplified by climate change - would be ideal for them, but no. The trees at Benmore Botanical Gardens in Scotland grow faster and better than their counterparts at Havering in the SE.

Astonishingly, there's an estimated 500,000 sequoias in the UK - more than 6 times more than in their native Sierra Nevada mountains (where they're endangered with only 80,000 trees remaining)


I hadn't realised there are so many in the UK until I read this story.
However, while the trees are doing well in the UK, there's little chance of them taking over our native forests any time soon - they're not reproducing here as they need very specific conditions to take seed.
It wouldn't have taken much to say that the right conditions for reproduction include regular low heat fires, not the occasional monster fire. But you can propagate them from cuttings. A good read.
https://www.savetheredwoods.org/interactive/giant-sequoia-and-fire/ 


 
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Bolty
14 March 2024 21:50:09
This has been a very poor week for weather here. Mild yes, but it's been grey and wet and I really don't think I've seen the Sun at all. I'm off work not next week, but the week after so hopefully the long awaited HP the models have been hinting at will materialise for then...
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Saint Snow
14 March 2024 22:14:55
Originally Posted by: Bolty 

This has been a very poor week several months for weather here.



Fixed for accuracy 

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springsunshine
16 March 2024 08:25:10
Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Fixed for accuracy 
👍 Absolutly! The weather has been pants since early July last year,incesant rain and here we are looking at 9 straight months of significantly above average rainfall.The only full dry week was the first week of September during the heatwave. I for one am sick of it,we desperatly need at least 2 straight weeks with no more rain.

Jiries
16 March 2024 13:59:58
Originally Posted by: springsunshine 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Fixed for accuracy 
👍 Absolutly! The weather has been pants since early July last year,incesant rain and here we are looking at 9 straight months of significantly above average rainfall.The only full dry week was the first week of September during the heatwave. I for one am sick of it,we desperatly need at least 2 straight weeks with no more rain.



Plus cloud free extremely well over due and need to see that again not seen that long enough since spring 2020 and April 2021.  Autumn day continue today as clouds rush in for no reason.
Saint Snow
19 March 2024 22:51:51
Just gandering through the rainfall anomalies for the past 12 months and, for E&W, it reads (very generally, and there'll be localised differences):

Mar 23 - very wet Midlands southwards; wet north of that

Apr 23 - wet far SE/EA; average elsewhere

May 23 - dry NW of Humber-Bristol Channel & far SE; average in between

Jun 23 - dry SE/S/SW/S Wales; average elsewhere

Jul 23 - wet SE; very wet elsewhere

Aug 23 - average almost everywhere 

Sep 23 - wet Lakes/W Wales/E Yorks/Lincs; dry SE; average elsewhere

Oct 23 - very wet Midlands/Yorks/EA/NE/far S; average NW & W Wales; wet elsewhere

Nov 23 - wet far SE; average elsewhere

Dec 23 - very wet E Mids/Yorks/NE; average far SE; wet elsewhere

Jan 24 - average more or less everywhere 

Feb 24 - average NE/far NW/N Wales; wet southern NW/W&S Yorks/mid-Wales; very wet elsewhere

The very wet months have been pretty shared around!

MBY has had:

Very Dry - 0
Dry - 1
Average - 7
Wet - 3
Very Wet - 1
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johncs2016
20 March 2024 06:54:03
Here in Edinburgh, rainfall hasn't actually been as massive an issue recently as it has been elsewhere, and also hasn't been as big an issue here as a lot of the local people here would think, as the data which I have reported on other threads on here has shown (Jerry from the south of Edinburgh recently reported on here that Edinburgh people were fed with the fairly cold and wet weather in these parts).

The rainfall which we're getting at the moment isn't coming with any great conviction and once again, we're struggling to get a wetter than average month as we usually always do in these parts these days (we're almost there for this month, but we're really struggling to get over that finishing line at the moment).

What is a much bigger issue for here is the real lack of sunshine in these parts in recent months.

We are two thirds of the way through this month now and yet we've only had not much more than a third of our 1991-2020 March average sunshine at Edinburgh Gogarbank during this month so far.

We could therefore really do with seeing some sunshine in these parts, but the latest model output looking ahead towards the rest of this month isn't looking particularly sunny at the moment.😡
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20 March 2024 09:09:53
There are not many countries in the world where 1020 MB pressure can still give persistent overcast skies with rain at times.  Unfortunately the UK is one of them.
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johncs2016
20 March 2024 09:26:54
Originally Posted by: GezM 

There are not many countries in the world where 1020 MB pressure can still give persistent overcast skies with rain at times.  Unfortunately the UK is one of them.



I can even remember that happening here not all that long ago with an air pressure of just over 1040mb, so it seems though there is always at least an outside chance of cloud and rain regardless of what the air pressure actually is.

This means that although most people on here are clearly anxious to see a build of high pressure, that isn't going to do us any good whatsoever if we don't also get some decent weather along with that.
The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
ARTzeman
20 March 2024 10:10:26
Dont like chilly weekends. Not at all.. 




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Bolty
20 March 2024 16:07:15
Next week looking completely crap, which has timed perfectly for my week off work... lucky me.

I really do detest cold in spring, especially the kind of weather that next week is looking like bringing. Cold, cloudy, wet and windy... yuck, what a disgusting combination. You can forgive it if it's cold, calm and bright (April 2021) or if there is at least some wintry potential, but there looks to be very little of either of those things. All in all, just useless.
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