tierradelfuego
10 December 2021 19:30:42

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

Anyone notice how the UK is the only country that appears to miss out on this potential potent cold spell and the cold is just to our east yet again and then goes to SE to plunge SE Europe including Greece and Turkey into the Freezer? If the charts verify of course? I find this frustrating don;'t you ? and it's a reoccurring theme over the past few years!?


 


Of course it's frustrating but when we include perspective or the reality, no not really. We're an island influenced in majority terms from a sub-tropical maritime direction with little continental influence, except in conditions that are in the exact opposite to our norm. Coupled with that, some of us (e.g. you) live in the least likely area of the country (e.g. the mildest and even worse, the closest to sea level) to benefit from these exceptionally rare influences, so I really can't fathom how you can expect anything more than a 1 in what 20, 50 or 100 year event to give you major cold and snow.


I'm not much better in terms of living in the South, albeit central and 150m ASL so higher than many but this year was the 1st snowfall in November for 10 years. It's just being realistic....


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richardabdn
11 December 2021 11:04:10

The same unrelenting horror week-in-week out on a perpetual loop 


This was beyond absurd, ridiculous and preposterous weeks ago and yet it persists. After another sunny Friday I wake up to grim, dark nasty filth for the 12th consecutive Saturday. Cold, windy, grey and raining. Completely unusable conditions yet again 


I thought things were finally turning the corner earlier this year. After 2 1/2 years of the most extreme and inane weekend curse we finally managed a run of good weekends, albeit mostly cold. We finally got a proper snowfall after the worst drought in history and we got a long overdue heatwave in July.


Since late July however it has been mind-numbingly awful beyond comprehension. Stupefyingly grey, wet and miserable with the Weekend Curse just off the scale. Into the second third of December there hasn't been one frosty morning. Not one 


It just gets more and more horrible and depressing with each week that passes. Struggling to reach 6C by day or drop below freezing at night. Even the wettest and dullest of winter moonths never saw this extreme lack of temperature variation. 1 dry day in 18 now. 19 days with 5mm+ since the start of October already ties 2009 as the most I've recorded for the final quarter of the year with weeks of potential crud remaining 


It looked like this was going to be the first year since 2013 that Saturday ended up drier than the weekdays but the horror of the past 4 1/2 months has put paid to that. Both tied on 2.5mm before the stinking **** that is currently lashing from the sky gets counted.  8 years in a row of this irrational inexplicable nonsense 


There just isn't any other 4 1/2 month period I have ever eperienced that is anywhere near as bad as this. So awful that I now rate 2021 as the 2nd worse year I have experienced after 2014. A truly horrendous time to be alive 


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Saint Snow
11 December 2021 11:58:32

Go cheer yourself up by having a peek at the Xmas Day chart from the GFS 6z that Michael's posted in the MO thread. 



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doctormog
11 December 2021 12:00:27

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Go cheer yourself up by having a peek at the Xmas Day chart from the GFS 6z that Michael's posted in the MO thread. 




Bolty
14 December 2021 18:02:09

What an enormous waste of a winter anticyclone this is looking like it's going to be, according to the forecast. Day after day of low cloud and nothing else. Sure, I'm glad we're not seeing any more flooding rains, but this will be one tedious period of weather, especially during the period with the shortest daylight.


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Saint Snow
15 December 2021 10:08:44

Our weather always finds a way to turn things sh*tty, wet and mild.


 


 



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DEW
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15 December 2021 10:22:02

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


Our weather always finds a way to turn things sh*tty, wet and mild.


 


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15 December 2021 11:11:31

Originally Posted by: DEW 


" The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh away ..."



"We've been sent good weather"


"Praise be."


I've recently started the Elisabeth Moss Handmaids Tale better late than never I suppose. 


If you want dystopian fare in a pandemic there's plenty of parallels with today. Chillingly close perhaps.


 


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Saint Snow
15 December 2021 11:17:04

Originally Posted by: NMA 


 


"We've been sent good weather"


"Praise be."


I've recently started the Elisabeth Moss Handmaids Tale better late than never I suppose. 


If you want dystopian fare in a pandemic there's plenty of parallels with today. Chillingly close perhaps.


 



 


More for the UIA, but a scarily big chunk of the American electorate view Gilead as a paradise on Earth.


 


 



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fairweather
17 December 2021 11:36:02

2 hours of sunshine in the last week. 14 hours in the last two weeks. Dark, cloudy, mild. The joys of the modern winter high pressure!


Still, at least it will be dry.


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Saint Snow
17 December 2021 12:38:26

Originally Posted by: fairweather 


2 hours of sunshine in the last week. 14 hours in the last two weeks. Dark, cloudy, mild. The joys of the modern winter high pressure!


Still, at least it will be dry.



 


The last 3 days we've had the sun burn through the murk for varying amounts of time. I think today could get about 4-5 hours sunshine here; there's a little wispy cirrus around, but nothing thick.


 



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richardabdn
18 December 2021 09:52:57

Just when I thought things couldn't sink any lower we now have the bizarre spectacle of North Sea crud in winter 


Absolutely revolting beyond belief. I keep thinking this has to be a nightmare and I will wake up but no it just goes on and on.


As if July to November wasn't rank enough we are now looking at the third consecutive Saturday in December with zero sunshine and each of them following on from a 5 hr sunshine Friday 


In fact every weekday since the 9th has managed at least 1-2 hours of sunshine which is all you need really at this time of year to be able to enjoy some time outdoors. Just the weekend days that see the relentless suicide -inducing grey all day long 


Will this ever end? The record for consecutive cloudy Saturdays was broken a long time ago and still it goes on and on. 13 on the trot now. Well beyond the bounds of credulity 


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fairweather
19 December 2021 11:15:48

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


 


The last 3 days we've had the sun burn through the murk for varying amounts of time. I think today could get about 4-5 hours sunshine here; there's a little wispy cirrus around, but nothing thick.


 



Well I'm not surprised. The weather rule books have been ripped up in the last decade. The S.E and East Anglia rarely gets a Continental type of in the last decade. We have become an Atlantic type of Doldrums whereas the West gets more sun and more snow these days.


Today everywhere is soaked after days of constant drizzle. 4C at 11.00 am. Nothing good and sunless now for two weeks.


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Bolty
21 December 2021 17:52:54
Thank God we're at the winter solstice! There is nothing I hate more in winter than that horrible 16:00 darkness, made worse when you get days on end of overcast muck, like today. It's just so draining and depressing, and I wonder how the Finns or the Icelandics must cope with it. At least every day now brings an improvement, if very slow at first.
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johncs2016
21 December 2021 20:16:26

Originally Posted by: Bolty 

Thank God we're at the winter solstice! There is nothing I hate more in winter than that horrible 16:00 darkness, made worse when you get days on end of overcast muck, like today. It's just so draining and depressing, and I wonder how the Finns or the Icelandics must cope with it. At least every day now brings an improvement, if very slow at first.


I'm very much in the opposite camp in that regard because I actually get more depressed during the summer months if we are getting constant grey skies (as we tend to get here) at the very time of the year when we should be getting more in the way of sunshine. At this time of year though, that doesn't matter so much because it's dark for most of the time anyway which means that I don't get to see as much of those depressing grey skies during the day.


My biggest gripe with those constant grey skies comes from the fact that the temperatures then as a result, refuse to drop and that has certainly been an important factor during this winter so far. Today was our coldest day of the winter so far at Edinburgh Gogarbank with a maximum temperature of 2.6°C, but that is only 0.3°C below the officially recorded minimum temperature as at 6am this morning.


From that, it is easy to see what has been ruining this winter for us so far because this constant lack of any real diurnal temperature range even whilst we have been under high pressure just sums up how boring and uninteresting our weather here in Edinburgh generally is.


During this winter so far, our daytime maximum temperatures have generally been OK. We did recently get a few days of double figures temperatures, but that has been our only really mild spell of this winter so far and thankfully, that was only fairly brief. In fact, our daytime maximum temperatures at Edinburgh Gogarbank are actually running slightly below the newly released 1991-2020 average for that particular station (those new averages were only just realeased last week by the Met Office).


In the same way that one of the factors which make up a decent summer is that it should warmer than average overall, the opposite of that is true at this time of the year so that one of the factors which makes up a "decent" winter is that it should be colder than average. That is why we are doing OK as far as daytime maximum temperatures are concerned.


However, it is a completely different story when it comes to our overnight minimum temperatures because at the moment, the overnight minimum temperatures at Edinburgh Gogarbank is running almost 2°C above even those 1991-2020 averages which I have just mentioned. The result of this is that our average temperatures are currently running at almost 1°C above average at that same station.


The end result of this is that we have had only 3 air frosts during the whole of this month so far at Edinburgh Gogarbank which is absolutely pathetic for a winter month, not to mention that we still haven't had any lying snow during this winter so far.


However, this is what happens when the temperatures at night in particular, just keep on refusing to drop and that is something which has beeing going on here ever since the start of the autumn. Even tonight, the temperatures under overcast skies are still refusing to drop here even though the temperatures are forecast to get down to around -10°C in some places and because of that, it wouldn't surprise me if I woke up to yet another frost-free horror show tomorrow morning.


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Joe Bloggs
21 December 2021 21:20:27

My moan - it never ever snows here with the setup we look to get over Christmas. 


The Midlands/Wales nearly always gets the snow whereas we usually stay dry with a chilly wind.


Even if the precipitation does get this far north, unless there is a REALLY active front with low heights, the Pennines tend to kill off the snow anyway. 


I just can’t get excited by this one. Been here too many times. 😂


Last Christmas was actually quite wintry here, I doubt we’ll get a repeat this time round. 



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roadrunnerajn
21 December 2021 21:31:45

This latest chase for cold snowy weather has latest over 7 days now and since the beginning not one model has shown the cold getting anywhere near the SW. It would take a Christmas miracle for that to change…


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Saint Snow
21 December 2021 23:22:50

Finally some cold today & tonight!!


This 'cold spell' really hasn't happened like I expected it would this time last week. Very poor. 



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Saint Snow
21 December 2021 23:24:05

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


My moan - it never ever snows here with the setup we look to get over Christmas. 


The Midlands/Wales nearly always gets the snow whereas we usually stay dry with a chilly wind.


Even if the precipitation does get this far north, unless there is a REALLY active front with low heights, the Pennines tend to kill off the snow anyway. 


I just can’t get excited by this one. Been here too many times. 😂


Last Christmas was actually quite wintry here, I doubt we’ll get a repeat this time round. 



 


Manchester Airport didn't have even a technical white Xmas last year 


 



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johncs2016
22 December 2021 00:21:19

Another point which I can add to the one which I made earlier on is that during every winter, there is usually at least one night when the temperature at Edinburgh Airport will get down to some really low level such as around -7°C or -8°C even though the overnight minimum temperature at Edinburgh Gogarbank and the botanic gardens in Edinburgh might not necessarily come even close to being as cold as that.


However, that is something which has never happened during this winter so far. As a result of that, our lowest temperature so far across my three local stations is -2.2°C as recorded on 6 December 2021 which is very poor indeed and just to show how poor that is, this is basically the winter equivalent of the south of England never getting above the low 20s°C during the summer which is something which would generally never happen even during our worst summers.


 


The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
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