Nope, a proper easterly will do a better job than a GH in terms of bringing nationwide double digit negative 850s. You'd be forgiven for forgetting that, though, considering the last one was 21 years ago (and longer than that for a textbook example).

Surely the drought of decent winter weather has to end soon, doesn't it? Roll on winter 2017/8!

 

 

Not sure I agree with that. A Greenland High is much better for bringing in prolonged deep cold for northern areas. Easterlies are only really good for the South East.

Very inaccurate forecasts re the temperatures - yesterday high was due to be +5c by 15:00 when in actual fact it was +10.5c. Today they forecasted a high of +8c to +9c and it's already +11.5c! They also said there would also be some showers around when it's been sunny and partly cloudy.

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Seeing snow falling heavily as I was driving into work, watching it quickly begin to stick... magical.

And then it all melts within a couple of hours.

Still, the thick falling snow was a good reminder of just why I love snow so much. Just a pity we can't have a Jan 10 every winter!

 

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I thought winter ended weeks ago?    Felt like it .....

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I thought winter ended weeks ago?    Felt like it .....

Ended? I'm still wondering if it actually started in the first place.  

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Ended? I'm still wondering if it actually started in the first place.  

 

We had several days of winter here in late November, early December - the best since at least 2012.

Obviously no snow.  But then we don't get supercells in summer either.

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Not sure I agree with that. A Greenland High is much better for bringing in prolonged deep cold for northern areas. Easterlies are only really good for the South East.

And for the West Country.

Easterlies have just been a waste of time in the 30 years I've lived down here.

I'll reserve final judgement until we once again have an easterly that Retron defines as a proper one. But in the meantime it's only yellow over Greenland that gets me excited in the model output.

Yet another winter with zero snow here, except for half an hour of sleet back at the start of winter. But being stuck at 35m asl here, what else can I expect?

I simply have to find some way of moving to a place at altitude before I get too old.

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Nope, a proper easterly will do a better job than a GH in terms of bringing nationwide double digit negative 850s. You'd be forgiven for forgetting that, though, considering the last one was 21 years ago (and longer than that for a textbook example).

Surely the drought of decent winter weather has to end soon, doesn't it? Roll on winter 2017/8!

 

 

I disagree for these parts as a Greenland high will always bring wintry conditions IMBY, whereas a long fetch Easterly is an hit and miss affair.

As the meteorological Spring season begins and thus I officially call time on what was an easily forgettable Winter.



Of course, knowing our UK climate, it will do what the heck it likes regardless of season.

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Many many hours of cold rain and sleet yesterday. Had it been snow you can bet the precipitation would have lasted 2 hours not 12!

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Horrible March corresponding 100% to my prediction of the worst possible outcome.

One frost so far, no double digit maxes, a totally wretched weekend with the 4th atrocious write-off Saturday out of six and the outlook is even worse. Pitiful, unpleasant and boring in the extreme. Nothing whatsoever to look forward to just complete and utter dross with day in day out of 7C temperatures, rain and grey skies to endure

Anything vaguely pleasant or interesting gets eroded completely yet the models stick to their guns on offering up yet another stinking Saturday. Another 5-10mm looking likely. It is just beyond the bounds of credulity. Would only be expecting 104mm of Saturday rainfall in an entire year yet the total for 2017 is already up to 55mm and this is on top of three years of substantially worse than average Saturday weather. So ridiculously awful it defies logical and rational explanation 

Every year my hatred and contempt for this hell-hole grows and grows. Every year there is just less and less to enjoy and it feels like there could be nowhere on earth less desirable to live. Enduring this putrid unpleasant filth week in week out, which is akin to what might be expected in a climate with 3300mm of annual rainfall, it really is hard to see how it could continue to keep getting worse but no doubt it will.

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Horrible March corresponding 100% to my prediction of the worst possible outcome.

One frost so far, no double digit maxes, a totally wretched weekend with the 4th atrocious write-off Saturday out of six and the outlook is even worse. Pitiful, unpleasant and boring in the extreme. Nothing whatsoever to look forward to just complete and utter dross with day in day out of 7C temperatures, rain and grey skies to endure

Anything vaguely pleasant or interesting gets eroded completely yet the models stick to their guns on offering up yet another stinking Saturday. Another 5-10mm looking likely. It is just beyond the bounds of credulity. Would only be expecting 104mm of Saturday rainfall in an entire year yet the total for 2017 is already up to 55mm and this is on top of three years of substantially worse than average Saturday weather. So ridiculously awful it defies logical and rational explanation 

Every year my hatred and contempt for this hell-hole grows and grows. Every year there is just less and less to enjoy and it feels like there could be nowhere on earth less desirable to live. Enduring this putrid unpleasant filth week in week out, which is akin to what might be expected in a climate with 3300mm of annual rainfall, it really is hard to see how it could continue to keep getting worse but no doubt it will.

A classic of its kind, laden with unremitting negativity and sense of inevitable doom.

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Horrible March corresponding 100% to my prediction of the worst possible outcome.

One frost so far, no double digit maxes, a totally wretched weekend with the 4th atrocious write-off Saturday out of six and the outlook is even worse. Pitiful, unpleasant and boring in the extreme. Nothing whatsoever to look forward to just complete and utter dross with day in day out of 7C temperatures, rain and grey skies to endure

Anything vaguely pleasant or interesting gets eroded completely yet the models stick to their guns on offering up yet another stinking Saturday. Another 5-10mm looking likely. It is just beyond the bounds of credulity. Would only be expecting 104mm of Saturday rainfall in an entire year yet the total for 2017 is already up to 55mm and this is on top of three years of substantially worse than average Saturday weather. So ridiculously awful it defies logical and rational explanation 

Every year my hatred and contempt for this hell-hole grows and grows. Every year there is just less and less to enjoy and it feels like there could be nowhere on earth less desirable to live. Enduring this putrid unpleasant filth week in week out, which is akin to what might be expected in a climate with 3300mm of annual rainfall, it really is hard to see how it could continue to keep getting worse but no doubt it will.

What utter rubbish, stop making this stuff up as you go along! Aberdeen's annual rainfall could never get anywhere near 3300mm per year and well you know it. You want to moan about living in a wet part of the country? Well come to Bolton. Far more rain than Aberdeen on average yet I'm not continually whining about it.

 

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What utter rubbish, stop making this stuff up as you go along! Aberdeen's annual rainfall could never get anywhere near 3300mm per year and well you know it. You want to moan about living in a wet part of the country? Well come to Bolton. Far more rain than Aberdeen on average yet I'm not continually whining about it.

 

3300 mm, that's a lot even for Scotland - that would work out as 275 mm per month for a year.

I think it might have been a typo with an extra 3. Mind you, at 330 mm annually would give us 27 mm per month which is drier than average! 

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Was just watching the BBC weather for the week ahead Daily - By Nick Miller.

What frustrates me is the fact that confidence is still low and get's lower as we approach the cooler/colder snap/spell if there is one!? - A few days ago there was more confidence in both GFS and Met Office and BBC forecasts of a cold spell and northerly around middle of month - now as we will soon approach the 2nd week of March - there seems like there is less confidence that there was in the first week or end of Feb - despite it being closer to the more reliable time frame.

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Was just watching the BBC weather for the week ahead Daily - By Nick Miller.

What frustrates me is the fact that confidence is still low and get's lower as we approach the cooler/colder snap/spell if there is one!? - A few days ago there was more confidence in both GFS and Met Office and BBC forecasts of a cold spell and northerly around middle of month - now as we will soon approach the 2nd week of March - there seems like there is less confidence that there was in the first week or end of Feb - despite it being closer to the more reliable time frame.

It's what the weather is - no amount of hardware and maths will change the fact that it's an incredibly complex subject that will, more often than not, mug us off 😎

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It's what the weather is - no amount of hardware and maths will change the fact that it's an incredibly complex subject that will, more often than not, mug us off 😎

 I think the above should be inserted into the first post of every model output thread from now on.

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All those cold ensembles /gfs control and ecm ETC We all spent ages analysing and discussing was a waste of time really. Ensembles ...in fact all models have behaved very badly this winter. I just feel sorry for all on here. If we were to have cold and prolonged cold it should have happened in January when most of Europe (mostly southern and eastern) were in a deep freeze, we were very unlucky to be on the milder side of the blocking. I guess Brian's winter 16/17 forecast was as accurate as it could be in saying that there is a chance of cold weather around mid January. Just a shame it never really materialised and we were very unlucky as always.s

It's frustrating, not to mention all time consuming - especially to find out that every northerly has failed and easterly.

I really don't think it's worth taking any notice of the gfs RUN beyond 96hrs now - because even if they all point to cold, it will still never materialise and it's been the case all winter really. So what's the point of discussing the models if they always flip!? I would have thought we were in for some chance with the SW and SSW end of Jan and beginning of Feb but even now this looks unlikely. - Perhaps we need to see more milder runs in the GFS ensembles and eventually it will turn cold - Just the opposite.

Obviously, I expect moderations and downgrades or upgrades in the models but the fact that all haven't just been downgrades - they have been complete flip-flops makes it all that more frustrating really.

The Express is funny. I bet many reading that would be expecting a big freeze with blizzards and -11c from Mid-month when it's going to be very mild or warm mid-month now.

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Seen as this is the moaning thread why is it still up and running when it's now Spring. 😂😂

Seen as this is the moaning thread why is it still up and running when it's now Spring. 😂😂

 

I believe it's been kept open a bit longer because the winter was so rubbish.

 

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