Chiltern Blizzard
10 February 2017 00:13:06
I think too much store is placed on upper temps when looking at wintry potential... although we currently have uppers between -8 and -11c, even though it is from a continental source it less cold than it often is when uppers are +5c!
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Rob K
10 February 2017 00:54:18

Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 

I think too much store is placed on upper temps when looking at wintry potential... although we currently have uppers between -8 and -11c, even though it is from a continental source it less cold than it often is when uppers are +5c!


Tell me about it. Upper temps of -8C according to high res maps right now and it is steadily raining. 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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Chiltern Blizzard
10 February 2017 06:19:26

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


Tell me about it. Upper temps of -8C according to high res maps right now and it is steadily raining. 



and it's not even as though the air is a cold westerly that has crossed the Atlantic allowing for copious mixing.  


Rendlesham, Suffolk 20m asl
Tim A
10 February 2017 06:27:00
Remember the 850 hpa temperature is much higher when pressure is 1030mb therefore cold 850hpa temps won't look as spectacular on the ground .

Our second November 2016 snowfall was from showers from the west with 850-s only about -4c. But pressure was about 975mb.

Obviously there are other factors too though.



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doctormog
10 February 2017 07:18:41

Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 


 


and it's not even as though the air is a cold westerly that has crossed the Atlantic allowing for copious mixing.  



Yes the air is a cool easterly that has crossed the North Sea. Not unexpected not unforecast. Could be a very cold night in parts of NW Scotland tonight.


Justin W
10 February 2017 07:26:01

This is all rather underwhelming so far. The air temperature has yet to fall below freezing (currently 0.5 ºC) having bottomed out at 0.1 ºC at around 4am. DP currently -2.1 ºC.


Grey leaden skies without even a sniffle of snizzle.


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Essan
10 February 2017 08:36:06

Originally Posted by: Justin W 


This is all rather underwhelming so far. The air temperature has yet to fall below freezing (currently 0.5 ºC) having bottomed out at 0.1 ºC at around 4am. DP currently -2.1 ºC.


Grey leaden skies without even a sniffle of snizzle.



last I looked the DP here was 0.0c and air temp hasnt dropped below +1.2c since this "cold spell" arrived.   Earlier in the week, when it was still "mild" we had -2.7c .....  

(Obviously not the slightest hint of precipiation from the dull, dull, dull, dull, dull skies, let alone anything vaguely of a wintry nature - though I note we do have rain forecast here on Saturday)

And yet you can be sure next winter some folk will still looking for a "beast from the east".   Only a vampire with a cold and snow intolerance wants an easterly in winter!


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Retron
10 February 2017 09:01:17

Originally Posted by: Essan 



And yet you can be sure next winter some folk will still looking for a "beast from the east".   Only a vampire with a cold and snow intolerance wants an easterly in winter!



I'll be one of them because IMBY it's the only way to get icicles, powder snow etc. Bear in mind though that we haven't seen "the beast" since 1997, as for whatever reason it's gone on holiday. This is unprecedented since the year 1900 (at least), as since then there had always been at least two "beasts" per decade.


This current attempt just isn't cold enough aloft, nor is there any low-level cold from a frozen continent.


 


Leysdown, north Kent
Rob K
10 February 2017 09:09:38
1C and heavy drizzle for the last 16 hours and counting. Can the weather get more vile than that? Loads of water on the roads - if it was snow then we would have a decent covering.

Bit of course if it turned cold enough to snow the precipitation would instantly stop...
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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Jiries
10 February 2017 09:25:31

Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 

I think too much store is placed on upper temps when looking at wintry potential... although we currently have uppers between -8 and -11c, even though it is from a continental source it less cold than it often is when uppers are +5c!


Agreed and I noticed that so no point to invest weather station here when we don't have any proper interesting temps to read.   Before at -8C to -11C we easily get subzero maxes around -1 to -2C.  Now it floating at 3-5C and the same from 2008 to 2013 cold spells that saw temps floating at 2-4C days and nights all the time.  I had to put down estimated max temps on my data quite often to reflect correctly from the uppers so like once time was -12C uppers I got around 3C max so I put down -3C instead.  Same to summer too when once we had 19C uppers here but 23C with rain all day while Benelux and France was hot and sunny at 35-39C so I put down here 34C as a max.  It made the data more accurate and a bit interesting and rightly so.  I only put down on estimate based on the N France, Benelux temps by 2-3C difference.  I was taught in school that UK is only 2-3C difference from the Continent at any time but not acceptable on today 10-15C ranges.  July 2015 was a very nasty month when we watch the Continent baking at 35-40C while here got off a false start at 37C slowly drop back to cool 18-22C from 2nd week of July to the end.  I wasn't' recording that year but if so I would been putting down on estimated temps every day to reflect what the Continent are doing because I know the past UK always get the Continent heat and storms very easily.  I know many who like thunder storms don't see that anymore here now and becoming vey rare.

Saint Snow
10 February 2017 09:35:27

Originally Posted by: Essan 


last I looked the DP here was 0.0c and air temp hasnt dropped below +1.2c since this "cold spell" arrived.   Earlier in the week, when it was still "mild" we had -2.7c .....  



 


Similar story here. At least the car's been frost free the last couple of 'cold' days.



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Rob K
10 February 2017 10:32:31

Originally Posted by: Jiries 


 


 I had to put down estimated max temps on my data quite often to reflect correctly from the uppers so like once time was -12C uppers I got around 3C max so I put down -3C instead.  Same to summer too when once we had 19C uppers here but 23C with rain all day while Benelux and France was hot and sunny at 35-39C so I put down here 34C as a max.  It made the data more accurate and a bit interesting and rightly so. 



"Alternative facts", Jiries, I love it 


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idj20
10 February 2017 10:41:26

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


"Alternative facts", Jiries, I love it 




Alternative weather.   


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tallyho_83
10 February 2017 10:57:28
Never dipped below +2c here last night ....terrible for a cold spell.
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soperman
10 February 2017 11:13:25

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

Never dipped below +2c here last night ....terrible for a cold spell.


Particularly as there were some hard frosts around - even in Dartmouth -  during January.


Looking good for at least some slight snow further north though.


 

Weathermac
10 February 2017 11:34:27

Originally Posted by: soperman 


 


Particularly as there were some hard frosts around - even in Dartmouth -  during January.


Looking good for at least some slight snow further north though.


 



I must admit this Cold Easterly has left me underwhelmed it did not even get to freezing here last night yet in Easterlies past it was always sub Zero day and night so all in all very disappointing...Roll on Spring now.

Saint Snow
10 February 2017 11:49:20

All easterlies are equal, but some easterlies are more equal than others.



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warrenb
10 February 2017 12:09:00
I still think this would have been a classic winter if it wasn't for the wQBO. Blocking aplenty, but just a little to much westward shove in the system.
Interesting summer coming up, with record low sea ice in the polar regions.
Could this be the start of the runaway AGW they have been predicting.
Tom Oxon
10 February 2017 12:54:41
Anyone else tired of the Beeb calling 3C 'very cold' and 5C 'cold'? Very cold to me 0C Maxes by night and several below by night
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