some faraway beach
24 June 2017 08:43:28
Yes. The average maximum (yellow line) is consistently around 18 or 19C from the middle of next week onwards (suits me, but I'm no fan of heatwaves).

The point I was making about the big scatter on Tues/Wed was that if what happens then is so up-in-the-affair, then what follows from that synoptic situation must be too (e.g. the new month, 1st July, has maxes ranging from 14C to 24C). In other words, you couldn't really discount any of the more extreme outliers in FI.

(Just trying to kick-start the thread for the weekend - not looking for an argument here!)
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Well, two or three times a decade it does, anyway.
yorkshirelad89
24 June 2017 09:23:42

Interesting to note that an increasing number of GFS members want to build pressure briefly to our immediate East which delays the cool air and could potentially turn our low into thundery one. Some of the ensemble members do actually become quite warm for Tuesday:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSP05EU00_84_2.png

Others also become extremely wet in the east, P17 is the most extreme but not without support:

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSP17EU00_132_1.png

Anyone else think that the temperatures will gradually keep ticking upwards? Instead of a cool northerly spell I think there is a risk of a very wet humid spell in the UK as low pressure gets stuck and starts wrapping up some warm air around it.


I still think a cool northerly is the form horse later though, but its duration may be short especially if the Azores high ridges towards Spain again.


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idj20
25 June 2017 12:44:27

 Looks like being a cluttered mess of embedded convective gunk over the bulk of the UK on Tuesday through to Thursday. Hopefully I shall pick up some much needed rain to revive my now parched looking lawn at this end of Kentshire. I think moist and steamy spring to mind.


The Meto fax for Wednesday highlights my thoughts . . .


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25 June 2017 20:18:42
The week after next is looking touch and go to me.

When there's a big pattern change, as there is next week, and the models show it reverting back to the old pattern after a while, I'm always sceptical. Sometimes it does, but sometimes the new pattern takes over.

Bad omens to look out for would include flattening of the jet next Friday and Saturday, some new mini troughs in the flow digging down into the UK early the following week etc. Good signs to look out for - on the 200hpa wind charts a strengthening of the arm of the jet heading up towards arctic Norway and Svalbard. At the moment the jet is showing itself bifurcated with the stronger arm heading down into Eastern Europe and keeping us close to troughs.
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doctormog
25 June 2017 20:29:56
So the next week looks a bit rubbish for the time of year but with a bit of luck things might improve after that?
Notty
26 June 2017 06:55:33
Buchan Cold Spell Day 1 of 9 - interesting as the weather seems to be cooling down.
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moomin75
26 June 2017 10:12:23

Good Lord I am looking forward to hearing the assessment of Richard in Aberdeen if this verifies tomorrow. Maximum temp of 7c and heavy rain in Aberdeen and progged just 36 hours away. Richard could have good reason to moan if THIS verifies.


 


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3617.gif



http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn364.gif


 


In fact if this is anywhere near the mark you can't rule out snow over the highest ground in the highlands.


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Gooner
26 June 2017 12:51:32

Looks like several days of unsettled weather coming up


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picturesareme
26 June 2017 13:32:20

This looks pretty warm and humid..


 


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1922.html


 


Why no mentions?

Brian Gaze
26 June 2017 13:40:07

Unsettled this week. GEFS6z looks mediocre in the longer term too. Once we get beyond the next few days it doesn't look like a washout, but equally not something to plan your UK holiday by! Temps look quite close to the average next week, possibly warmer in the south and cooler in the north. Typical English wicket.



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Gooner
26 June 2017 13:40:48

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


This looks pretty warm and humid..


 


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Recm1922.html


 


Why no mentions?



http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn19817.gif


Its not that special though lets be fair


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picturesareme
26 June 2017 15:37:50

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


 


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn19817.gif


Its not that special though lets be fair



^^^ that though is a different model!


With much colder 850's at the same time!

cultman1
26 June 2017 15:44:01
Brian Have you downgraded your analysis for next week in the S /SE? I thought the models were showing an improving dryer and warmer sceanario....
David M Porter
26 June 2017 15:46:40

Originally Posted by: cultman1 

Brian Have you downgraded your analysis for next week in the S /SE? I thought the models were showing an improving dryer and warmer sceanario....


The GFS 06Z doesn't look great, but the 00Z and 12Z runs are the ones that I pay most attention to from that model. Personally speaking, I have about as much faith in the 06Z GFS run as I do in the 18Z pub run!


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moomin75
26 June 2017 16:01:39

Originally Posted by: David M Porter 


 


The GFS 06Z doesn't look great, but the 00Z and 12Z runs are the ones that I pay most attention to from that model. Personally speaking, I have about as much faith in the 06Z GFS run as I do in the 18Z pub run!


Not sure what the verification stats are David but has often been said 6z and 18z verify poorly in comparison to the 0z and 12z.


Let's hope this is just a blip because there's no doubt this week is dare I say very reminiscent of some of our worse summers of recent years.


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Devonian
26 June 2017 17:04:22

Well...we're on our fifteenth day with zero rainfall. An absolute drought I think, and quite an unusual event for here. Do i think a wet spell is imminent? I bloomin' well hope so! But equally I can see us getting a few mm and then the 'wet spell' ending next week...


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richardabdn
26 June 2017 17:13:42

Originally Posted by: moomin75 


Good Lord I am looking forward to hearing the assessment of Richard in Aberdeen if this verifies tomorrow. Maximum temp of 7c and heavy rain in Aberdeen and progged just 36 hours away. Richard could have good reason to moan if THIS verifies.


 


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn3617.gif



http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn364.gif


 


In fact if this is anywhere near the mark you can't rule out snow over the highest ground in the highlands.



A max of 7C would be so far below anything ever recorded at this time of year that it just won’t happen. Lowest maxes this late in the summer have been around 10C – as recently as 24th June 2015 as well as in late June 1980 and early July 1978. Do not know of any maxes of 9C or lower as late as the final week of June here though there was one at Aboyne on Wednesday 25th June 1997 – a day I had the pleasure of going on a field trip to Loch Muick where it was even colder.

One thing is for sure in this era of ridiculously wet and dull summers, it is far easier to get close to record low temperatures than it is to get near record highs. It’s only due to the good weather coinciding with weekends, that this putrid summer isn’t feeling as bad as 2007 and 2012, because in rainfall terms at least, it is actually even worse and will be touch and go with the vile outlook whether or not the 1997 rainfall record is broken.


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johncs2016
26 June 2017 17:18:33
I have mentioned a few times over on the moaning thread that I didn't really hold out much hope for this summer (the high rainfall totals which we have had so far this month and the very poor short-term forecasts seem to be keeping things on course for proving that right just now) despite the promising signs for further into July which has been shown recently on many medium to long term models. However, I have just seen something from Dr. Simon Keeling which seems to be backing that up even more. Looking at the SSTs, we can clearly see that there is a similar sort of cold blob in the mid-Atlantic which was thought to have resulted in that cooler than average summer which we had back in 2015.

However, there is also a lot of warm water around the UK itself, which also extends down into the Mediteranaen. Simon showed us a forecast for not too far into the future which shows the SSTs to have cooled down quite a lot around the UK. It is thought that cold SSTs tend to dampen any convection and be more like to promote the creation of higher than average height and so, it would not surprise me if those promising indications for next month were largely based on that SST forecast since those colder then average SSTs would be likely to promote more ridging around the UK, and this is also supported by those relatively short-term predictions for the both the AO and NAO to return to a more positive phase which would indicate a stronger Azores High.

In order to get to those colder SSTs though, the seas around the UK would have to cool down quite a lot in a short period of time for that happen, and that makes this a bit unlikely to happen. Furthermore, warm sea temperatures around the UK tend to create more energy and more instability in the atmosphere, thus promoting lower than average heights around the UK and therefore, increasingly the liklihood of more unsettled weather. Indeed, Simon even thought that this might be at least partly responsible for generating the really unsettled weather which is coming up this week. Added to that is the fact that the models appear to be backing off a bit from that idea of better weather during July and I suspect that those SSTs around the UK being warmer than expected, could be a factor on that.

Furthermore, the longer-term predictions for the AO and NAO seem be pointing to that returning to negative state by the latter part of the summer, thus ensuring that any positive phase in the short term is very short lived. That does not bode well for the rest of the rest of the summer either if that happens. If it is true that the medium term models are backing away from that idea of better weather for July, that means that there will then be no signs of any decent summer, even up until the middle of July at least. I know that it is still early days for this summer but by the middle of July, we will then be half way through the summer, and that will mean that time will already be starting to run out for things turning around and providing us with a decent summer overall.

Added to that is the fact that the NAO and AO could then act against us after that (that is, if it is a decent summer which we are after). That in turn should demonstrate exactly why I'm struggling to see much for this summer.

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Ally Pally Snowman
26 June 2017 19:39:08

Pretty uninspiring stuff all round tonight not so bad in the SE at times, NW though virtual right off next 10 days. plenty of rants on the way in the summer moaning thread methinks. 


 


 


 


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David M Porter
26 June 2017 19:44:50

Originally Posted by: johncs2016 


I have mentioned a few times over on the moaning thread that I didn't really hold out much hope for this summer (the high rainfall totals which we have had so far this month and the very poor short-term forecasts seem to be keeping things on course for proving that right just now) despite the promising signs for further into July which has been shown recently on many medium to long term models.




The MetO updates for this month haven't been that far off the mark. They went for an unsettled opening to June, followed by a drier and warmer spell around mid-month beofre a return to more unsettled weather towards the end of the month. That is pretty much how the month has panned out in reality.


That is not to say that their anticipated improvement for mid-July will definitely happen, but if their current thoughts for July end up being as accurate as their predictions for June, summer isn't over yet by any means.


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