White Meadows
22 December 2016 12:46:39
PMSL
LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
22 December 2016 13:04:38

Clearly this year's December 2016, looks even better for those who dislike any wintry or cold weather.


The rest of this month next 8 days look set to be dominated by our Bartlett Azores High system.


Nice clear blue skies today.  The first 8 days this month the memory of widespread night frosts is since been replaced last 2 weeks by a good amount of fog, murk and mist and often cloudy skies.  There have been some sunny days that brought us many in UK less cold but mild weather and over next week SSW winds at times dropping very light could bring some chilly nights maybe chance of fog and frost, but a plume of mild air should mean mild days for much of the UK, strengthening West SW winds over the West and North UK during Thursday just fringing W and N UK by the look of it.  The GFS, ECMWF and UKMO.


😎😃.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
roger63
22 December 2016 13:55:24

Another dreary run from GFS  06h op.I,m almost getting to the stage of preferring zonal flow to Euroblocking, particularly if its a brisk westerly.


The GEFS  ens at Jan 1st show 60% HP:40% zonal so still some doubt over the outcome.


At 384h 7th January split is HP 55%:Zonal 45% so some doubts on the longevity of any cold spell. There  is no real claer clusterting of the HP ens at this stage,.

Phil G
22 December 2016 14:34:59

While both have HP to the south, the latest runs from GFS and ECM are quite different in that the former is showing a northerly and ridging to Greenland, while ECM has us in a slack southerly. Let's see what the 12z brings and if they align, in some way.

GlenH
22 December 2016 14:39:08

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 


a brief toppler. A least a few colder days before the dross returns


 



 


06z perturbations 5 and 12 have a similar evolution (to the operational) and don't topple (just to keep a bit of Christmas cheer):


 



Solar Cycles
22 December 2016 15:28:02

Originally Posted by: GlenH 


 


 


06z perturbations 5 and 12 have a similar evolution (to the operational) and don't topple (just to keep a bit of Christmas cheer):


 




BANK. 😂😂😂

LA2B MeridFlowEuro09
22 December 2016 15:36:23

It looks like Ian@ Shropshire does not like discussing the Model Output related stuff.


I suggest we do not take us every Winter day on the bandwagon of AGW or Modern Winter Epic inflammatory conjecture.


We can discuss Bartlett and Azores and NW to N and NE raging Zonal train days and weeks if the models show them every day and week.


Those who get lucky when we do get Greenland And Iceland Blocking Mid N Atlantic High P ridging and blocking or a Cold NW to SE over UK and West to NW Europe Polar Vortex then I hope we will skip sharing our other thoughts that oppose cold frosty and wintry weather and hope so that the Moderators aka Michael and Joe Bloggs can remove those posts that deem necessary doing!!!.


We are sending the Polar Frontal Jetstream Lows on a West to East and NE track this December and we have yet to pass 31st December and already the silly posters like Shropshire Ian is not getting any nods from em all.  Your backing up nothing in your dreadful stances.😆🔚.


Climate is warming up, Scotland and N Ireland and North England still often gets some Winter frost, ice and snow, November to March, but the SE and South UK including S Central England and Wales, together with the West and North through the year, they sometimes get more rain than London and S SE England, where some longer dry fine spells without much heavy rain is seen every year.

The North Atlantic Sea often gets some much Colder Wintry conditions from November to March Months, and Mild SW and South winds tend to be more frequent over the East and SE of North Atlantic Sea, as the Azores High tends to stay in charge. 

With this warmth and heat, the Central and South UK has become mostly free of snow and frost.
Rob K
22 December 2016 16:59:41
Not far off record pressure levels on the 12Z. The last time 1050mb was reached in England was January 1932:

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rmgfs1201.gif 

Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl
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Joe Bloggs
22 December 2016 17:00:46

GFS 12z so far..


A bit blowy on Christmas Day but thankfully nowhere near as bad as it could have been http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn721.gif


Very mild..


Midnight into Boxing Day it's a different story and it could turn pretty wintry in parts of Scotland http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn841.gif Boxing Day itself it'll feel seasonal for most http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn10217.gif


 


Moving into Tuesday 27th HP pushes in and we get the first of our overnight frosts. In fact Tuesday 27th should be a cracking day for many.


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn11417.gif


Another frost for some into Wednesday morning with continental SE'ly winds http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1381.gif


Then another one for some into Thursday morning http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn16217.gif


Friday night into NYE more of a SW'ly tilt, but with more signs of amplification in the Atlantic and a weaker PV. FI, FWIW, shows signs of a toppler scenario, just like the 06z. 


In summary, very mild on Christmas Day, less stormy than it could have been (phew), cold on Boxing Day with snow for some in Scotland, then turning colder and frosty with SE'lies up until NYE (albeit less cold in the NW). 


After that, uncertain, but no real signs of extended zonality or especially mild weather.


 


 


 



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Joe Bloggs
22 December 2016 17:01:46

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Not far off record pressure levels on the 12Z. The last time 1050mb was reached in England was January 1932:

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rmgfs1201.gif


Yes the talk of relentless zonality now looks a bit presumptuous! 



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doctormog
22 December 2016 17:09:32

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Not far off record pressure levels on the 12Z. The last time 1050mb was reached in England was January 1932:

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rmgfs1201.gif


 


 


Bartlett. 


 


 


 



 


 



Apart from that, what Joe says. Potentially both very mild and then wintry on Christmas Day (the latter if the cold front moves through fast enough) and yes some very high pressure in the south at times.


LeedsLad123
22 December 2016 17:09:45

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Not far off record pressure levels on the 12Z. The last time 1050mb was reached in England was January 1932:

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rmgfs1201.gif


the BBC forecast looks rather sunny here beyond Christmas. 


Whitkirk, Leeds - 85m ASL.
The Beast from the East
22 December 2016 17:18:09

GFS 12z drops the northerly but GEM has a good one that will last. Shame its a poor model


 


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marting
22 December 2016 17:29:39
The GEFS at 240 are showing about 8 runs with northerly winds so far, will await the rest to roll out and see if the ensemble dip is more prominent tonight.
Martin

Martin
Greasby, Wirral.
The Beast from the East
22 December 2016 17:31:17

Originally Posted by: marting 

The GEFS at 240 are showing about 8 runs with northerly winds so far, will await the rest to roll out and see if the ensemble dip is more prominent tonight.
Martin


one would expect that, but the op and control are pants and more likely to be right


 


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roger63
22 December 2016 17:42:18

Originally Posted by: Joe Bloggs 


GFS 12z so far..


A bit blowy on Christmas Day but thankfully nowhere near as bad as it could have been http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn721.gif


Very mild..


Midnight into Boxing Day it's a different story and it could turn pretty wintry in parts of Scotland http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn841.gif Boxing Day itself it'll feel seasonal for most http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn10217.gif


 


Moving into Tuesday 27th HP pushes in and we get the first of our overnight frosts. In fact Tuesday 27th should be a cracking day for many.


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn11417.gif


Another frost for some into Wednesday morning with continental SE'ly winds http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn1381.gif


Then another one for some into Thursday morning http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rtavn16217.gif


Friday night into NYE more of a SW'ly tilt, but with more signs of amplification in the Atlantic and a weaker PV. FI, FWIW, shows signs of a toppler scenario, just like the 06z. 


In summary, very mild on Christmas Day, less stormy than it could have been (phew), cold on Boxing Day with snow for some in Scotland, then turning colder and frosty with SE'lies up until NYE (albeit less cold in the NW). 


After that, uncertain, but no real signs of extended zonality or especially mild weather.


 


 


 



Thanks for the useful summary of the Chrsitmas.At least it is more intereting than the dreary,boring  longer term runs being produced by GFS

roger63
22 December 2016 17:54:50

No real sign of excitement in the ENS


On Jan 1st 60:40 HP:Zonal 


On Jan 7th 50:50 HP:zonal with little sign of any a large clusters of HP type.

doctormog
22 December 2016 17:59:07
Based on recent output and Met Office comments I wouldn't be overly surprised to see a nice little northerly on the 12z ECM run. We'll see soon enough I guess.
Ally Pally Snowman
22 December 2016 18:10:39

Maybe just maybe the models might be about to give us a Christmas present . Gem looking good at day 10 , decent signs elsewhere 


 


http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/Rgem2401.html


 


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nsrobins
22 December 2016 18:33:38
GFS ENS take another step down a notch late on to continue the trend to something colder into January.
Neil
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