Doesn't detract from the fact it's not a league of Champions. Arsenal? Chelsea? Spurs this season? Man City???..

You've hit the nail on the head Matty. I myself have always assumed "Champions" to mean league winners' i.e the team that finishes in 1st place in a given league at the end of a season. In my view, the old name of "European Cup" would be more appropriate now given that so many of the teams that make up the competition are non-champions.

And the goalie heavily linked with man utd does this.........

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/13418295.stm

Doesn't detract from the fact it's not a league of Champions. Arsenal? Chelsea? Spurs this season? Man City???..

You've hit the nail on the head Matty. I myself have always assumed "Champions" to mean league winners' i.e the team that finishes in 1st place in a given league at the end of a season. In my view, the old name of "European Cup" would be more appropriate now given that so many of the teams that make up the competition are non-champions.

Going a bit off topic here...tho i also agree with Matty and David. I prefer the old style European Cup a tournament only open to champions of each nation plus the present holder of the trophy. Tho money is the driving force !

SAF didn't even bother responding to the FA over their latest charge. Probably the best approach to take from now on. 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8517663/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-snubs-FA-over-charge-for-making-complimentary-comments-about-referee-Howard-Webb.html

SAF didn't even bother responding to the FA over their latest charge. Probably the best approach to take from now on. 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8517663/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-snubs-FA-over-charge-for-making-complimentary-comments-about-referee-Howard-Webb.html

Thankfully, we've only got another season or so of Bacon face. Then he can go into quiet retirement along with his Alzheimer's.

SAF didn't even bother responding to the FA over their latest charge. Probably the best approach to take from now on. 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8517663/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-snubs-FA-over-charge-for-making-complimentary-comments-about-referee-Howard-Webb.html

Thankfully, we've only got another season or so of Bacon face. Then he can go into quiet retirement along with his Alzheimer's.

It will be sad day for Manchester United when he steps down. Doubt there has been or will be a better manager. Why so much hatred towards him? 

SAF didn't even bother responding to the FA over their latest charge. Probably the best approach to take from now on. 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8517663/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-snubs-FA-over-charge-for-making-complimentary-comments-about-referee-Howard-Webb.html

Thankfully, we've only got another season or so of Bacon face. Then he can go into quiet retirement along with his Alzheimer's.

I am sure SAF will still be about... whilst your sitting in your old folks home in soiled nappies !

SAF didn't even bother responding to the FA over their latest charge. Probably the best approach to take from now on. 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/8517663/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-snubs-FA-over-charge-for-making-complimentary-comments-about-referee-Howard-Webb.html

Thankfully, we've only got another season or so of Bacon face. Then he can go into quiet retirement along with his Alzheimer's.

Very funny.

Hopefully not, because they'll then finish above the Scum who would then have to go through the qualification stage of the CL. It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that they could screw that up.

Unless they do something major in the summer Arsenal to me looks to be a team in decline.

Why so much hatred towards him? 

Because he exudes so much anger to everyone else?

Up until he joined Man U, he had no link to them and no reason not to like Liverpool, yet his 'knock Liverpool off their f***ing perch' comment set out his stall. And that's when I set out mine.

That the claret-nosed git then went to do what he said he wanted to do just makes me hate him even more.

Why so much hatred towards him? 

Because he exudes so much anger to everyone else?

Up until he joined Man U, he had no link to them and no reason not to like Liverpool, yet his 'knock Liverpool off their f***ing perch' comment set out his stall. And that's when I set out mine.

That the claret-nosed git then went to do what he said he wanted to do just makes me hate him even more.

As honest as ever Martin, I don't mind the guy but I wouldn't say I was a fan of his. However, I have really liked some of the teams he has put together and the approach they take.

and of course I would always want a real (northern) team to win over one of those silly, flash in the pan southern teams

Why so much hatred towards him? 

Because he exudes so much anger to everyone else?

Up until he joined Man U, he had no link to them and no reason not to like Liverpool, yet his 'knock Liverpool off their f***ing perch' comment set out his stall. And that's when I set out mine.

That the claret-nosed git then went to do what he said he wanted to do just makes me hate him even more.

Perhaps Liverpool's dominance of English football would have continued for a bit longer (and could well have won a few more league titles) had Kenny Dalglish not unexpectedly resigned as manager at Anfield in early 1991. It was after this that Graeme Souness returned to Liverpool (he resigned as manager of Glasgow Rangers in April '91 to go back to Anfield, much to my annoyance!), as as every Reds fan will recall, his tenure wasn't exactly the most successful.

Perhaps in Leeds hadn't sold a certain Monsieur Cantona to Man Utd late on in 1992, they could well have gone on to dominate football in England for a good few years; they certainly looked well capable of it after winning the league in 1991-92. Cantona was as big a factor in Leeds' success that season as he was in all Man Utd's title winning sides during the following five years or so.

Why so much hatred towards him? 

Because he exudes so much anger to everyone else?

Up until he joined Man U, he had no link to them and no reason not to like Liverpool, yet his 'knock Liverpool off their f***ing perch' comment set out his stall. And that's when I set out mine.

That the claret-nosed git then went to do what he said he wanted to do just makes me hate him even more.

Perhaps Liverpool's dominance of English football would have continued for a bit longer (and could well have won a few more league titles) had Kenny Dalglish not unexpectedly resigned as manager at Anfield in early 1991. It was after this that Graeme Souness returned to Liverpool (he resigned as manager of Glasgow Rangers in April '91 to go back to Anfield, much to my annoyance!), as as every Reds fan will recall, his tenure wasn't exactly the most successful.

Perhaps in Leeds hadn't sold a certain Monsieur Cantona to Man Utd late on in 1992, they could well have gone on to dominate football in England for a good few years; they certainly looked well capable of it after winning the league in 1991-92. Cantona was as big a factor in Leeds' success that season as he was in all Man Utd's title winning sides during the following five years or so.

David what you may not know is that Fergie was actually after Lee Chapman of Leeds... he wasnt available. Fergie was offered Eric as an alternative !!

Why so much hatred towards him? 

Because he exudes so much anger to everyone else?

Up until he joined Man U, he had no link to them and no reason not to like Liverpool, yet his 'knock Liverpool off their f***ing perch' comment set out his stall. And that's when I set out mine.

That the claret-nosed git then went to do what he said he wanted to do just makes me hate him even more.

Perhaps Liverpool's dominance of English football would have continued for a bit longer (and could well have won a few more league titles) had Kenny Dalglish not unexpectedly resigned as manager at Anfield in early 1991. It was after this that Graeme Souness returned to Liverpool (he resigned as manager of Glasgow Rangers in April '91 to go back to Anfield, much to my annoyance!), as as every Reds fan will recall, his tenure wasn't exactly the most successful.

Perhaps in Leeds hadn't sold a certain Monsieur Cantona to Man Utd late on in 1992, they could well have gone on to dominate football in England for a good few years; they certainly looked well capable of it after winning the league in 1991-92. Cantona was as big a factor in Leeds' success that season as he was in all Man Utd's title winning sides during the following five years or so.

David what you may not know is that Fergie was actually after Lee Chapman of Leeds... he wasnt available. Fergie was offered Eric as an alternative !!

Wasn't Cantona moved on because he was sha#ging Chapman's then missus?

Perhaps Liverpool's dominance of English football would have continued for a bit longer (and could well have won a few more league titles) had Kenny Dalglish not unexpectedly resigned as manager at Anfield in early 1991. It was after this that Graeme Souness returned to Liverpool (he resigned as manager of Glasgow Rangers in April '91 to go back to Anfield, much to my annoyance!), as as every Reds fan will recall, his tenure wasn't exactly the most successful.

Maybe.

But let's remember that Dalglish inherited a hugely experienced Liverpool side who were used to winning. When those experienced players started to retire, Dalglish had a massive rebuilding job on his hands and, IMO, largely failed. The players he brought in were too often below the standard needed to continue Liverpool's dominance, especially toward the end of his reign. Players like David Speedie, Ronny Rosenthal, Jimmy Carter, Steve Harkness, Don Hutchinson just weren't of anywhere near equal calibre to Hanson, Dalglish himself, Craig Johnston, Lawro, etc.

Of course, like you say, when Souness came in, he made an utter horlicks of the job. Dean Saunders, Neil Ruddock, Paul Stewart, Nigel Clough, Michael Thomas, Mark Walters, Julian Dicks, Stig Bjornebye, Torben Piechnik - all big money signings back then and not a one wore the Liverpool shirt with any distinction.

Perhaps in Leeds hadn't sold a certain Monsieur Cantona to Man Utd late on in 1992, they could well have gone on to dominate football in England for a good few years; they certainly looked well capable of it after winning the league in 1991-92. Cantona was as big a factor in Leeds' success that season as he was in all Man Utd's title winning sides during the following five years or so.

The story goes that, during his time at Leeds, Cantona was porking Lesley Ash, wife of Leeds striker Lee Chapman - hence why Cantona was drummed out of Elland Rd. Dunno if it's true, but it's a great rumour!

As a way of linking the two above snippets, Cantona was apparently offered to LIverpool before he joined Leeds, but Souness declined. Says it all.

Wasn't Cantona moved on because he was sha#ging Chapman's then missus?

Smutty minds think alike!

Could 'Fish Lips' be responsible for changing EPL history forever?

Hopefully not, because they'll then finish above the Scum who would then have to go through the qualification stage of the CL. It is not beyond the bounds of possibility that they could screw that up.

Unless they do something major in the summer Arsenal to me looks to be a team in decline.

Don't we say that every year?

I'm sure that next year won't be much different to the two or three that have gone before: Written off by the pundits as a team without a chance. Go well in all competitions until February when someone breaks a leg or they get beat by some two bit side (bet gooners have their fingers firmly crossed that Birmingham get sent down) when they collapse.  

I see the United bashers have run out of gas at last ............it really was getting very tiresome

A very important Sunday ahead for 5 clubs, 2 of which will be joining West Ham in the Championship. Your tips for the drop??