nouska
01 November 2011 14:55:36

Originally Posted by: Essan 


Originally Posted by: Gavin D 



I believe, though the worst of winter's cold and snow will be behind us come mid-January, return blasts of snow followed by cold is highly possible, similar to what we encountered back in February and March of 2011.

http://markvoganweather.blogspot.com/p/long-range.html 



 


So, no snow and virtually no air frosts then in Feb and Mar


 


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nsrobins
01 November 2011 14:59:45
Originally Posted by: sunnyhighpressure 

I also heard JB is going for more cold for us this year. I can't remember where I heard this. I also heard that he is releasing a forecast?


I have a sneak preview of it:

'Hello avid readers and frigid penguins alike. My thoughts are well-known, and known so well that all and sundry can read. The chocolate pots, on te eEuropean fires of miscontent, will melt into the drains this season so long as the ice doesn't cover the grills to prevent it. The heights currently set-up across the high latitudes will back in the means and by Thanksgiving our English cousins will be staring Jack Frost right between the eyes. Hasta La Vista.'

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Maunder Minimum
01 November 2011 15:14:38

Originally Posted by: rayjp 


Originally Posted by: Maunder Minimum 


Just copying this post from the Model Output thread, since it encapsulates what I am thinking regarding the forthcoming winter:


I think the key to our winter this year lies to the east. As you know, I spend two weeks a month in Copenhagen and the autumn thus far has been decidedly chilly there.


The UK has spent much time under mild southerlies or sou-westerlies, because of the location and orientation of the Euro HP - but the presence of that persistent HP to our east provides the hope of some eastern promise during the forthcoming winter.


Last winter was characterised in its early stages, by frigid northerly incursions - this winter, if we want cold, I think we will have to look east.


 


Strange what you say about Denmark, as Mike was saying in NOrway its been one the warmest to date autumns ever.



Mike is a long way north though and probably has had a more maritime influence than usual, because of the stubborn HP cell to our east - in Denmark, it has led to early overnight frosts and cool days.


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rayjp
01 November 2011 15:17:50

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

Originally Posted by: sunnyhighpressure 


I also heard JB is going for more cold for us this year. I can't remember where I heard this. I also heard that he is releasing a forecast?


I have a sneak preview of it: 'Hello avid readers and frigid penguins alike. My thoughts are well-known, and known so well that all and sundry can read. The chocolate pots, on te eEuropean fires of miscontent, will melt into the drains this season so long as the ice doesn't cover the grills to prevent it. The heights currently set-up across the high latitudes will back in the means and by Thanksgiving our English cousins will be staring Jack Frost right between the eyes. Hasta La Vista.'


HI Neil,
can you translate that into English please.

John p
01 November 2011 15:22:59

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

Originally Posted by: sunnyhighpressure 


I also heard JB is going for more cold for us this year. I can't remember where I heard this. I also heard that he is releasing a forecast?


I have a sneak preview of it: 'Hello avid readers and frigid penguins alike. My thoughts are well-known, and known so well that all and sundry can read. The chocolate pots, on te eEuropean fires of miscontent, will melt into the drains this season so long as the ice doesn't cover the grills to prevent it. The heights currently set-up across the high latitudes will back in the means and by Thanksgiving our English cousins will be staring Jack Frost right between the eyes. Hasta La Vista.'



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Stormchaser
01 November 2011 15:27:24

http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/people/wwang/cfs_fcst/images3/glbz700Mon.gif


CFS has brought back the theme of a December dominated by high pressure over the UK, having been giving us no overall signal for about a week before now.


It continues to be very stubborn with the idea of high pressure dominating SW of the UK during January and February, even with the ENSO predictions starting to edge toward a less intense La Nina.


 


I have little faith in the model during spring, summer and autumn, but during winter I've seen it perform a little better, although I think anything that verifies beyond a month ahead is just pot luck.


I do wonder how it arrives at the November anomaly prediciton, which has more extensive positive anomalies NW of the UK than E, with negative anomalies not far to our NE. For that to happen, the strong blocking to our E and NE currently shown by ECM and GFS would have to be short lived, with weaker high pressure being more common to our east and not extending to particularly high latitudes, this then being ditched in favour of high pressure further west, perhaps over the UK for a time before ending up to our W or NW.


That could happen, but my personal feeling is that the blocking will be stronger and more sluggish in getting itself west, perhaps not getting west of the UK until the very end of the month.


 


I know I've been talking about November in the winter thread but to me its often seemed like a hybrid autumn/winter month - one that is capable of showing either face, sometimes flipping between them suddenly and with little notice, rather like how March is capable of being spring one week and then winter the next.


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Gavin P
01 November 2011 17:20:10

Terry Scholey is going for a clasic unsettled November;


 


November 2011 final update.


 


General Comments:


 


After an exceptionally mild start a changeable November is expected, with the second half probably colder and drier than the first. Wet spells should come in short bursts mostly during the first week, around mid-November and perhaps at the end. The mean average temperature should be close to or slightly above normal in the West and somewhat below average in the East. Confidence is only low to medium due to ‘blocking’ causing uncertainties as to how far Atlantic systems will penetrate.



Summary:


 


November 1st to 4th: Very mild perhaps exceptionally so at first, but unsettled and windy at times. There will be occasional rain or showers heaviest in the West where gales are possible, but also brighter or finer intervals giving some sunshine. Top temperatures should be between 11 and 16C, with minimum values in the range 7 to 12C so no frost.



November 5th to 7th: Becoming drier and brighter but somewhat colder, with a risk of ground frost at night. Some showers at first mostly in the South and East, with perhaps increasingly breezy unsettled weather moving into Ireland later. Lower temperatures that should see maximums in the range 7 to 12C and minimum values between 1 and 5C.



November 8th to 12th: Colder air to the East and milder air to the West probably ‘battle’ for supremacy. Some rain mostly over Ireland and in the West where it could also be windy for a while, but brighter spells are likely with only scattered showers. Relatively mild, with maximum temperatures 9 to 13C and minimum values say 4 to 7C. It should be drier and brighter at times in the East with occasional sunny spells, but it will not be entirely settled. There is a risk of showers and it should be colder here with top temperatures 7 to 10C and minimum values 0 to 4C giving ground frost in places.


November 13th to 18th: Probably a wet or blustery spell with some heavy rain in places. Milder for a time but perhaps not feeling so in the wind, before it perhaps turns much colder later with showers turning wintry in the North giving hill snow. Top temperatures about 9 to 13C falling to 5 to 8C, with minimum values in the range 6 to 9C then –1 to +2C giving widespread slight frost later.



November 19th to 22nd: A mainly dry, rather cold, quieter spell is indicated with generally light winds. There should be sunny spells but overnight freezing mist or fog patches could linger. Perhaps turning unsettled and windy in the North West later. Maximum temperatures 3 to 6C but perhaps only freezing where fog lingers, with minimum values –5 to 0C giving widespread slight or moderate frost.


 


November 23rd to 25th: Perhaps briefly blustery with rain and gales possible. The rain could be preceded by hill snow but it could be milder briefly, although not feeling so in the wind. Temperatures may reach 7 to 10C for a time, with minimum values in the range 2 to 5C making frost less likely.



November 26th to 30th: A return to much colder weather with wintry showers at first that could fall as snow even at lower levels. Some sunshine though for a time, but perhaps turning unsettled again from the West towards month end with some rain or showers perhaps preceded by snow in places. Top temperatures only 2 to 5C, with minimum values say –4 to 0C giving widespread frost.


 


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Charmhills
01 November 2011 17:53:33

Interesting November forecast from Terry.


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Nordic Snowman
01 November 2011 18:19:02

Many of the forecasts made by various people, as one would expect, differ quite markedly - especially with the details and timing. However, I think that the majority are leaning towards cold and for this, there must be something which the non-paying members of public are missing out on.


I think that certain elements of the media and almost certainly the Govt, have been made aware of what the long range models and discussions are pointing to. For this reason, I think that some 'severe' weather lies in wait.


Looking at the current set up and despite some record high temperatures, especially here in Scandinavia, I am feeling that a major change will happen during the 2nd half of November - initially up here of course. I think that the first half of this month is H.P dominated but with W parts of the UK especially, being affected by Atlantic fronts before a sudden and dramatic change takes place later on.


I am no forecaster as you know but the above is my take on things after having listened to, read, viewed and followed many other sources.



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Romfordman
01 November 2011 18:22:28

Originally Posted by: Nordic Snowman 


Many of the forecasts made by various people, as one would expect, differ quite markedly - especially with the details and timing. However, I think that the majority are leaning towards cold and for this, there must be something which the non-paying members of public are missing out on.


I think that certain elements of the media and almost certainly the Govt, have been made aware of what the long range models and discussions are pointing to. For this reason, I think that some 'severe' weather lies in wait.


Looking at the current set up and despite some record high temperatures, especially here in Scandinavia, I am feeling that a major change will happen during the 2nd half of November - initially up here of course. I think that the first half of this month is H.P dominated but with W parts of the UK especially, being affected by Atlantic fronts before a sudden and dramatic change takes place later on.


I am no forecaster as you know but the above is my take on things after having listened to, read, viewed and followed many other sources.




Sounds interesting


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Stormchaser
01 November 2011 18:40:34

With the very high temperatures over the UK to start October and over Scandinavia in recent times, it would be classic to have very low temperatures through the winter in those locations.


Sometimes it seems like the weather is prepared to go from one extreme to the other if thats what it takes to achieve a balance of sorts. There's certainly a fair few examples in years past of particularly warm spells in October/November preceeding winters with very cold spells. This is probably in large part down to the fact that such winters tend to see a far more meridonal pattern i.e. a low frequency and intensity of zonal conditions with Atlantic lows racing west to east, impacting the UK and then Scandinavia.


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tallyho_83
01 November 2011 21:37:22
Bartlett starts us off with a wintry outlook:

http://www.rutnet.co.uk/pp/gold/viewgold.asp?id=7 

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rayjp
01 November 2011 21:41:27

Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


With the very high temperatures over the UK to start October and over Scandinavia in recent times, it would be classic to have very low temperatures through the winter in those locations.


Sometimes it seems like the weather is prepared to go from one extreme to the other if thats what it takes to achieve a balance of sorts. There's certainly a fair few examples in years past of particularly warm spells in October/November preceeding winters with very cold spells. This is probably in large part down to the fact that such winters tend to see a far more meridonal pattern i.e. a low frequency and intensity of zonal conditions with Atlantic lows racing west to east, impacting the UK and then Scandinavia.



That is very well said, we do seem to be in a spell of what I call non steam train atlantic weather.
The late nineties being a prime example, every week in autumn was sw gales rain and more rain.
The last few years this has been totally non existent.

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01 November 2011 21:56:06

Originally Posted by: Sasa 


*****is predicting a very cld December with notable snwfalls at the beginning and mid mnth (80% probability, so he has been taking lessons frm the met office).


 


Anyway if you want to view the video suggest you skip to 23rd minute:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGVzZvX4J6U



Yawn.  I should ask for an early Christmas present of a BBQ then?

Darren S
01 November 2011 22:05:28

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

Bartlett starts us off with a wintry outlook:

http://www.rutnet.co.uk/pp/gold/viewgold.asp?id=7

I will be in Prague then!


So will I!


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Stormchaser
01 November 2011 22:53:54

PC's forecast for the end of November and much of December sounds very similar to the same period in 2010. I can actually see where he's coming from considering the way the pattern looks to be slowly setting itself up during the first half of November, although I can see little to give guidance on how severe any cold outbreaks will be.


With the pattern having been and looking blocked for such a long time, the potential for very cold conditions will be high come the close of this month. Of course, that potential could easily be realised somewhere other than the UK - there could be some very tense times come the final week of November!


I wonder how long it will be until the first stellar cold run appears in GFS FI


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haggishunter
01 November 2011 23:24:17

ScotRail has spent £2m on train deicing equipment, make of that what you will. Hopefully it's not a curse!

Snow Wolf
02 November 2011 10:27:40

Originally Posted by: haggishunter 


ScotRail has spent £2m on train deicing equipment, make of that what you will. Hopefully it's not a curse!


ALIWBM then in Scotland this winter.

Rob K
02 November 2011 16:25:28
Perhaps not the right thread, but could anyone explain to me why at about 11pm last night I was passed by a gritter spreading salt on the road in central London??

As far as I know no frost was forecast, and despite clear skies there was not even a ground frost anywhere near the capital! I think someone must have got their wires crossed, unless it was a practice run?
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LeedsLad123
02 November 2011 16:27:43

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Perhaps not the right thread, but could anyone explain to me why at about 11pm last night I was passed by a gritter spreading salt on the road in central London??

As far as I know no frost was forecast, and despite clear skies there was not even a ground frost anywhere near the capital! I think someone must have got their wires crossed, unless it was a practice run?


Some councils are preparing for winter by doing 'test gritting'. A few were spotted here too and in nearby Bradford.


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