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Brian Gaze
04 December 2024 18:33:48
There is still time for change, but I'd be surprised at this stage if we don't have Storm Darragh in the next few days. I've noticed quite a lot of difference between model runs, but there appears to be the potential for something very nasty. 
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cultman1
04 December 2024 18:54:11
This storm indeed has potential to cause a lot of disruption and as Brian alludes very nasty. I hope it may get downgraded somewhat nearer the time 
Quantum
04 December 2024 18:54:35
Is this the one that croses the country on Friday?

I'm looking at it with a half curious eye wrg to snow potential


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

Brian Gaze
04 December 2024 19:03:40

Is this the one that croses the country on Friday?

I'm looking at it with a half curious eye wrg to snow potential

Originally Posted by: Quantum 

Barring a late surprise, it is the Friday - Saturday one which I think will become Storm Darragh.


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04 December 2024 20:50:47
It does seem as though it will be the next day or two before the track is firmed up but there seems a fairly high probability of widespread disruption. 
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The Beast from the East
05 December 2024 02:12:47
Why do they all have Irish names? Is there some reason for this?
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doctormog
05 December 2024 06:38:57

Why do they all have Irish names? Is there some reason for this?

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

They’re not all Irish, the names for each season are compiled jointly between Met Éireann (Ireland), the Met Office (U.K.) and KNMI (The Netherlands).


Windy Willow
05 December 2024 06:44:56
It looks like it's going to be a very windy and wild weekend for me, starting this evening then continually ramping up until Saturday when it will be blowing a continual hoolie well into the early hours of Monday, and wet all Saturday and Sunday.  At least the temps will be seasonal after today. I'm half glad I didn't get a door wreath yet as I feel it could well blow away this weekend!
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roadrunnerajn
05 December 2024 06:53:04
Latest data doesn’t look good for here from midnight Friday to early afternoon Saturday. On the automated met forecast they are showing gusts for that time as high as 82mph. We are  used to gales from the SW but the winds from the NW are very gusty and do cause significant damage. Having a wind go from 35mph to 80+ in a couple of seconds is not going to be good for roofs and trees.
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Retron
05 December 2024 07:11:44
There's still a good deal of variance between successive model runs - MetO raw is up to 56 here (having been 40 this time yesterday, it rose steadily through the day), while GFS is, for the first time I can remember, showing lower speeds ("just" 53, mostly in the 40s).

There's also been a trend, I feel, to have the low "bomb" that bit further west, which pulls the strongest winds further west. As an example, here's the 12z (left) and today's 0z (right) max wind gusts from ICON. It's worth noting though that yesterday's 0z had far lower winds all round, the process of refining the exact track/intensity continues.

https://images.meteociel.fr/im/62/23313/iconeu_uk1_52_120_0pqy6.png 

https://images.meteociel.fr/im/71/26451/iconeu_uk1_52_120_0vdj2.png 

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05 December 2024 07:33:40

Why do they all have Irish names? Is there some reason for this?

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

Ashley, Bert, Conall, Darragh, Éowyn, Floris, Gerben, Hugo, Izzy, James, Kayleigh, Lewis, Mavis, Naoise, Otje, Poppy, Rafi, Sayuri, Tilly, Vivienne, Wren


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ballamar
05 December 2024 08:08:38
Lots of Christmas events planned this weekend outdoors, wonder if and when they will start being cancelled? 
Brian Gaze
05 December 2024 08:21:29
Full list of names for the storm season here:

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/weather-news/7244/uk-storm-names-2024-25 

Wrt Christmas events this weekend, I would expect a lot to be cancelled or at least scaled back. 


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nsrobins
05 December 2024 08:42:39
Fairly decent cross-model blend now for a focussed 70-80mph event on Saturday, widely 60-70mph.

Although the low this weekend is not named yet, I would expect it to be named either by MetEireann or by UKMO when yellow warnings are refined and an amber added for specific areas later this morning.


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Chunky Pea
05 December 2024 08:53:12

Why do they all have Irish names? Is there some reason for this?

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

This is the first 'Irish name' storm of the season. And I only see about 3 Irish names in the full list:

https://www.met.ie/forecasts/storm-names 


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East Galway, Ireland.

DickyBill
05 December 2024 09:47:06
Amber out now for the West and Darragh named.
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idj20
05 December 2024 09:48:26
Just been officially named. 😁
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Retron
05 December 2024 09:52:56
The latest wind gust forecasts from the Met Office (I find these animations very useful, not sure about others!)

It does, however, seem out of kilter with the automated forecasts. The animation shows winds below 50 here throughout (wahey!) but the automated has 24 hours of gusts in the 50s, peaking at 57 (not so good). Hopefully the animation will be closer to the mark for here at least.


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Saint Snow
05 December 2024 09:57:27

Fairly decent cross-model blend now for a focussed 70-80mph event on Saturday, widely 60-70mph.

Although the low this weekend is not named yet, I would expect it to be named either by MetEireann or by UKMO when yellow warnings are refined and an amber added for specific areas later this morning.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

Wales, the western half of NI and SW England look like being the most seriously battered. The highest wind gust on the Met Office model shows 92mph in Cardigan Bay. The western Channel and Liverpool Bay get +80mph gusts also. This model has the low slide away SSE'wards as it crosses the UK, so keeps the strongest winds away from the E & SE, with winds topping out around 60-64mph.

Met Office site forecast has it peaking in MBY at 62mph, and we're 10 miles inland.

There's still differences how the various models are plotting the low - and therefore the focus of the strongest winds.

Arpege & ECM, for instance, have it tracking further north and so the most extreme winds hit Liverpool Bay then track eastwards, re-energising on the east coast, especially around East Anglia. But peak gusts around 65mph

GFS (6z) closer to the Met Office evolution

I'm going to bring in a couple of the less robust Xmas deccies for 24 hours.

Supposed to have been getting three big trees heavily pruned on Saturday morning. I'm assuming this won't be going ahead! But I'd prefer the lows to be further south (sorry! self-interest alert! 😁)


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johncs2016
05 December 2024 10:11:42
Does anyone know who actually named that storm (most likely to be either the Met Office or Met Eireann) because although the Met Office did say in their BlueSky feed (I'm not on X anymore for political reasons as detailed some time ago in the UIA Forum) that the storm had been named but didn't say who actually named it?

With Storm Bert, the Met Office did a Friday livestream on YouTube just before we were impacted by Storm Bert and there was someone on there who asked that same question about Storm Bert.

Aidan McGivern who was one of the presenters of that livestream answered that by initially confirming that it was Met Eireann who named Storm Bert but he didn't seem all that enthusiastic about giving that answer as he then went on to explain that this is really only a technicality. He explained that the reason why it was Met Eireann who named that was because Ireland was impacted by it before the UK and went on to say that even if Met Eireann hadn't named it first, the Met Office would probably have named it anyway and given that this would still have been done under the same naming system, the question of who actually named that storm didn't actually matter in that case.

I would imagine that this is probably also the case with Storm Darragh but I like to know who has named each storm anyway for statistical reasons. If it was the Met Office who named Storm Darragh, this will be the first storm of this season which the Met Office have actually named otherwise this is yet another storm which has been named by Met Eireann without the Met Office having named a even a single storm so far (even the Dutch have named one of those storms (Storm Connal)).

Either way though, this is clearly turning out to be yet another very busy season for these named storms which we're still less than three months into.


The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.

Chunky Pea
05 December 2024 11:32:15

The latest wind gust forecasts from the Met Office (I find these animations very useful, not sure about others!)

It does, however, seem out of kilter with the automated forecasts. The animation shows winds below 50 here throughout (wahey!) but the automated has 24 hours of gusts in the 50s, peaking at 57 (not so good). Hopefully the animation will be closer to the mark for here at least.

Originally Posted by: Retron 

UK met has me down for 58 knot gusts late Fri. Probably the highest I've ever seen this model forecast for mby. 

To me though, this storm looks very typical of modern winter era.  


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East Galway, Ireland.

scillydave
05 December 2024 13:44:55
Gusts above 70mph on the Met Office App for here - that's far and away the highest I've seen it. A few miles away on the coast they're topping 80mph.

Going to be a rough one - unusual wind direction and long duration coupled with saturated ground is going to lead to a lot of tree damage I think.


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Formerly of, Birdlip, highest village in the Cotswolds and snow heaven in winter; Hawkinge in Kent - roof of the South downs and Isles of Scilly, paradise in the UK.

Saint Snow
05 December 2024 14:12:53

Gusts above 70mph on the Met Office App for here - that's far and away the highest I've seen it. A few miles away on the coast they're topping 80mph.

Going to be a rough one - unusual wind direction and long duration coupled with saturated ground is going to lead to a lot of tree damage I think.

Originally Posted by: scillydave 

I bet the Scilly Isles are in for a proper pounding.

Is this looking like the 'storm of the year'? 


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Saint Snow
05 December 2024 14:20:52
6z Icon has the strongest gust I've seen forecast for this storm - 103mph just off the NW tip of Anglesey 

It also has the most extensive storm-force winds, going with a worst-case combo of the other models, so as well as Irish Sea coasts of Wales & NW England, it has similarly strong winds for the SW, which then travel all along the south coast, before bringing period of 70-80mph gusts all down the North Sea coasts of England and intensifying the gusts through the Straight of Calais.


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scillydave
05 December 2024 14:41:17

I bet the Scilly Isles are in for a proper pounding.

Is this looking like the 'storm of the year'? 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

I think it's definitely got all the hall marks of 'storm of the year'.

Thankfully it'll be a couple of days after the peak of the Spring tides.

St Martins (my old home on the islands) has a forecast average windspeed above 50mph for over 24 hours straight - that will not be fun. I expect there'll be a big swell running. The harbour webcam on St Mary's will be worth watching - a NW wind will have the swell impacting the harbour wall with some impressive results I imagine. 


Currently living at roughly 65m asl North of Cowbridge in the Vale of Glamorgan.

Formerly of, Birdlip, highest village in the Cotswolds and snow heaven in winter; Hawkinge in Kent - roof of the South downs and Isles of Scilly, paradise in the UK.

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