cultman1
02 August 2023 17:00:58
I can’t think of a worser period of such cool wet windy and sunless weather ever for this period in our summer. It’s is frankly simply awful and no sign of any respite for at least two weeks today the 2nd August pretty well constant rain and 16 degrees in Fulham . In a word diabolical 
tallyho_83
02 August 2023 21:21:04
Originally Posted by: johncs2016 

Yes, these are really perfect "if only it were winter" synoptics which were playing out just now and with this latest low pressure system moving crossing the UK, it is interesting to see how much snow might have been dumped on its northern flank had this actually been the middle of winter just now.

Given the long sea track of those NE winds which we're experiencing just now, I'm not so sure that this would have delivered any snow right here on the east coast in that scenario (we might well have just got cold rain), but I could have imagined places not too inland such as where Jerry is in the south of Edinburgh getting a good dumping of snow in that scenario.

In top of that, we then have a cold, northerly blast from the Arctic coming up in a day or so's time as this low pressure system pulls away eastwards.

You really couldn't make that up just now. Someone has clearly forgotten to tell the weather gods that we are in what is supposed to be high "summer" just now and not the middle of winter. Furthermore, what's the betting that these "if only it were winter synoptics" will have long gone and be nowhere to be seen, but the time that we actually get to next winter?
 



Yeah and I bet in Winter we won't get these set ups!? Typical.
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Tim A
04 August 2023 06:55:34
At least tomorrow might not be a full day of heavy rain here. Met Office text forecast still seems to think so but the actual models show it tracking further South and just getting some showers from time to time. 
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fairweather
04 August 2023 14:48:45
Did anybody else get a much better day than expected? I know it's allowed but not wanting to gloat, I was wondering if anybody else had a decent day. Sun was out most of the time with just some brief cumulus bubbling up from time to time. Windless or very light breeze with a maximum of 22C. 
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Bolty
04 August 2023 14:53:29
Originally Posted by: fairweather 

Did anybody else get a much better day than expected? I know it's allowed but not wanting to gloat, I was wondering if anybody else had a decent day. Sun was out most of the time with just some brief cumulus bubbling up from time to time. Windless or very light breeze with a maximum of 22C. 



Yes, not too bad today (or yesterday). Only 17°C here, but dry with sunny spells so I can't really complain.

Tomorrow looks diabolical though: a day right out of November the way it's looking. Still, at least there's an increasing signal of a proper improvement next week...
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johncs2016
04 August 2023 14:58:36
Here in Edinburgh, we're back to what can best be described as typical "Edinburgh" weather with constant grey skies, but  with nothing which is even remotely interesting in terms of "weather" actually happening.😡

To me, that is the most boring and uninteresting weather which you can get and even whilst the southerners get impacted by Storm Antoni over the next few days, I still can't see anything really changing here in that regard.😡
The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
Ally Pally Snowman
04 August 2023 15:04:27
Originally Posted by: fairweather 

Did anybody else get a much better day than expected? I know it's allowed but not wanting to gloat, I was wondering if anybody else had a decent day. Sun was out most of the time with just some brief cumulus bubbling up from time to time. Windless or very light breeze with a maximum of 22C. 



Yep lovely day here clear blue sky 22c.

Got back from a week in Wells Next The Sea in Norfolk this morning never been before beautiful town and some stunning beaches nearby.  The weather was consistently better than the forecasts mostly 22c/23c mainly sunny bits of rain but nothing major.  Beach days pretty much every day. If we'd gone by the forecast apps we would have never gone outside.
 
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Tim A
04 August 2023 15:08:54
Originally Posted by: fairweather 

Did anybody else get a much better day than expected? I know it's allowed but not wanting to gloat, I was wondering if anybody else had a decent day. Sun was out most of the time with just some brief cumulus bubbling up from time to time. Windless or very light breeze with a maximum of 22C. 


Nope!
Heavy showers which generated or intensified over the Eastern Pennines meant it rained the majority of the time from daylight until 2pm.  16mm fell .  Can see it has all moved east now on the radar and is affecting Eastern England.  18c and cloudy with some sunshine so not too bad now but most of the day ruined. 
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sunny coast
04 August 2023 15:40:05
Lovely day here too bit breezy now but sunny periods and 21 degrees very usable  ahead of tomorrow's write off 
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04 August 2023 16:30:13
Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Yep lovely day here clear blue sky 22c.

Got back from a week in Wells Next The Sea in Norfolk this morning never been before beautiful town and some stunning beaches nearby.  The weather was consistently better than the forecasts mostly 22c/23c mainly sunny bits of rain but nothing major.  Beach days pretty much every day. If we'd gone by the forecast apps we would have never gone outside.
 



In unsettled scenarios with lots of showers around, coastal locations often fare much better. We had a week in Brixham, Devon in late June 2021. The forecast was awful and it did chuck it down on the first day. After that it was mostly dry and warm with plenty of sunshine but you could see the dark shower clouds developing inland just a few miles away on most days. 
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04 August 2023 16:37:38
Originally Posted by: Tim A 

Nope!
Heavy showers which generated or intensified over the Eastern Pennines meant it rained the majority of the time from daylight until 2pm.  16mm fell .  Can see it has all moved east now on the radar and is affecting Eastern England.  18c and cloudy with some sunshine so not too bad now but most of the day ruined. 
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A convergence zone was mentioned on the lunchtime weather.

But a mere nothing compared to tomorrow's downpours, the whole of Britain coloured blue on the rainfall chart with a dense pattern of green and yellow spots
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johncs2016
04 August 2023 17:13:29
Originally Posted by: DEW 

A convergence zone was mentioned on the lunchtime weather.

But a mere nothing compared to tomorrow's downpours, the whole of Britain coloured blue on the rainfall chart with a dense pattern of green and yellow spots



I'm not sure where you're getting that information from.

I've just looked at the latest Met Office forecast on YouTube as given by Aidan McGivern and barring the possibility of some showers coming in from off the North Sea to the north of Storm Antoni, there's nothing for here in Edinburgh on that note, and there's certainly nothing in the way of rainfall being forecast for the rest of eastern Scotland during tomorrow.

According to this forecast, Storm Antoni initially gives some rain across the west of Scotland, but this then sinks SE across England and Wales, and never actually makes it this far across the country where I am here in Edinburgh.

Because of that, there is never going to be any chance of the whole of Britain being covered by this rainfall in the manner in which you have just described although this doesn't take anything from the fact that those areas which are impacted by Storm Antoni, will be badly hit by it.
 
The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
doctormog
04 August 2023 17:41:08
To be fair, using the UKV model nearly all of the UK will have received rain from this system by the end of tomorrow: 

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https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/UKMHDOPUK12_36_49.png 
johncs2016
04 August 2023 18:14:02
Originally Posted by: doctormog 

To be fair, using the UKV model nearly all of the UK will have received rain from this system by the end of tomorrow: 

 

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/UKMHDOPUK12_36_49.png 



True, but saying "nearly all of the UK" is not the same as saying "the whole of the UK" because for that to happen, a full 100% of that map would have to be covered by that rain area and that isn't quite happening here as to say "nearly all the UK" is admitting to the fact that at least a part of the UK won't be covered by that. That in itself, makes it impossible for the whole of the UK to be covered by that.

Because of that, it is technically incorrect to say that the whole of Britain will be covered blue on that map and that is the point which I am trying to make here.
 
The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
Jiries
04 August 2023 18:35:17
Originally Posted by: Bolty 

Yes, not too bad today (or yesterday). Only 17°C here, but dry with sunny spells so I can't really complain.

Tomorrow looks diabolical though: a day right out of November the way it's looking. Still, at least there's an increasing signal of a proper improvement next week...



Was nice yesterday and the sun was still packing it punch at this time of the year still so helping to keep indoor very comfortable and war 23-24C yesterday today 22-5 to 23C. as less sun but came out in the afternoon.  Hillary guy came yesterday to put new thick curtains on the French doors instead of shutters as it take lot of space when open and put 2 double layer insulation blinds made for door windows for the side door and front door window to keep the nasty cold out.  
Jiries
04 August 2023 18:41:23
Originally Posted by: johncs2016 

True, but saying "nearly all of the UK" is not the same as saying "the whole of the UK" because for that to happen, a full 100% of that map would have to be covered by that rain area and that isn't quite happening here as to say "nearly all the UK" is admitting to the fact that at least a part of the UK won't be covered by that. That in itself, makes it impossible for the whole of the UK to be covered by that.

Because of that, it is technically incorrect to say that the whole of Britain will be covered blue on that map and that is the point which I am trying to make here.
 



Speaking about precips radar sizes that covering UK but go to USA or Canada you see precips very tiny but actually is the same size that UK precips get but the landmass is massive making look small. When I was in Chicago or Toronto any precips that came look so small on the radar but when it does arrive, it was a big storm, snow or heavy rain lasting for a long while.
doctormog
04 August 2023 19:18:22
Originally Posted by: johncs2016 

True, but saying "nearly all of the UK" is not the same as saying "the whole of the UK" because for that to happen, a full 100% of that map would have to be covered by that rain area and that isn't quite happening here as to say "nearly all the UK" is admitting to the fact that at least a part of the UK won't be covered by that. That in itself, makes it impossible for the whole of the UK to be covered by that.

Because of that, it is technically incorrect to say that the whole of Britain will be covered blue on that map and that is the point which I am trying to make here.
 



It is as close to “whole” as to be statistically insignificant. That aside, models such as the GFS do have the entire UK being affected by rainfall by the end of tomorrow: https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPUK12_36_49.png 

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johncs2016
04 August 2023 19:51:08
Originally Posted by: doctormog 

It is as close to “whole” as to be statistically insignificant. That aside, models such as the GFS do have the entire UK being affected by rainfall by the end of tomorrow: https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPUK12_36_49.png 

 


Looking more closely at that map, I would say that we have to look not so much about the colours on the map, but on the actual numbers and I can see that there are a few values of 0 showing up in the far NE corner of Scotland which shows that not everywhere is actually going to get some recorded rainfall from that (the fact that this is showing up as green rather than completely white shows that light rain might be falling in those areas, but not enough of it to actually be measurable.

Nevertheless, I agree with what you have said about being as close to being whole as being insignificant. There are instances in science where this is actually acceptable and one good example of that is when we are talking about a Full Moon. As seen from here in Earth, we technically never actually see the Moon when it is fully 100% lit by the Sun as seen from here on Earth because if that was actually the case, the Earth's shadow would just be in the way of that and we would be under a Lunar Eclipse.

When there is no such eclipse on that particular month though, we will still refer to what we are seeing when the Moon has its maximum amount of its disc lit up by the Sun as a Full Moon even though a Full Moon is defined as when the Moon's disk is fully lit by the Sun and even though the Moon is technically not fully 100% lit by the Sun at this time.

The fact is, the amount of the Moon's disc which is not lit up by the Sun at that time is so small that it can be complete ignored, and that allows us to still refer to it as a Full Moon anyway. Taking that into consideration, I am more than happy to pull back a bit on what I said about it being technically incorrect to say that those rainfall maps don't technically show the whole of the UK being covered by rainfall.
 
The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
richardabdn
05 August 2023 09:54:48
The only saving grace about the last few weeks of appalling weather were the reasonable weekends. Looks like we've ran out of luck on that front now 🤬

It's hard to believe it could get any worse than the utterly disgusting, rank, depressing and useless filth endured all week, bar Tuesday, but today has managed it. It's completely overcast, gloomy, murky, cold with constant drizzle, which has increased in intensity to light rain, despite almost nothing showing on the radar. A complete disaster of a day 🤢

Supposed to be the warmest time of they year and it's currently 11.4C. It was warmer on my birthday in January 🤮Also more concept of diurnal range back then. Currently only 1C above the overnight low. It's a sick joke. A month like this with such suppressed maxima would never have had a mean min in double figures before. That's because in the past even the worst synoptics would never have delivered this vile unceassing blanket of thick grey grot, alkin to the worst of November, day after day 😞

Struggled all week to manage more than the short bike rides I normally do on better days in winter, in conditions that would disgrace October. Now I can't get out at all. I can't emphasise how much I despise living in this country. The quality of life is shocking and it's no wonder the population is so overweight and unhealthy when this is the sort of utter crap we have to put up with when the rest of the Northern Hemisphere is enjoying summer 😱

Hammerfest is forecast to get 25C this week. Here the highest all of July/August, supposed to be the two warmest months of the year, has been 22.4C. Since 10th July - almost four weeks - it hasn't exceeded 21.0C and August's high so far has been 18.0C. Lack of warmth on a par with the worst years of the 1960s🤢

Even more preposterously it's forecast to be 14C in parts of Svalbard today which is higher than parts of the UK will get. You couldn't make this 💩 up.

So glad my neice and nephew have been able to get away on their first foreign holiday to the South of Spain to enjoy proper summer weather conducive to spending time outdoors. Yet again school kids have been short changed with rotten ridiculous garbage for their summer holidays. The Easter Holidays were a horror show as well and the weather changed completely to dross just in time for the October holiday last year following two weeks of fine weather 👎


 
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Gusty
05 August 2023 12:16:19
Its really bad down here in the SE now.  Akin to 1985 and 2012. The weather has gradually worsened over the past 3 weeks from a pattern that commenced across the north and west 5 to 6 weeks ago.

4 weekend spoilers on the bounce now.

Today is the worst. 14.3c at 1pm after a 15.3c max earlier in the day.

We've just past 30mm for the month after a 100mm July.
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