Quantum
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21 December 2020 14:22:40

First marginal snow event on the 23rd. Places highest at risk include Wales and the NW Midlands.


 


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2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Saint Snow
21 December 2020 14:31:22

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


First marginal snow event on the 23rd. Places highest at risk include Wales and the NW Midlands.


 



 


When you say 'NW Midlands', can you be a bit more specific?


Are you talking the higher parts of Staffordshire? Or more widespread?



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Tim A
21 December 2020 14:43:01
https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPUK06_48_2.png 

The temp gradient there shows it could be a tricky one to predict.
Incidently the Met Office automated for here goes for light snow turning back to rain on Wednesday morning.
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Saint Snow
21 December 2020 14:51:20

Originally Posted by: Tim A 

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPUK06_48_2.png

The temp gradient there shows it could be a tricky one to predict.
Incidently the Met Office automated for here goes for light snow turning back to rain on Wednesday morning.


 


Agreed.


IMBY, the main back edge departs at around 3pm, but at that time the 850's are only around -3c. 


The 850 temp drops fairly quickly after that, but all that's left in terms of PPN by the time we're due to be under -5c 850's are some broken drizzly fragments.


It won't look exactly like that come the time, but I doubt the colder air will move south any quicker in terms of the ppn band.



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Tim A
21 December 2020 15:35:45

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 


 


 


Agreed.


IMBY, the main back edge departs at around 3pm, but at that time the 850's are only around -3c. 


The 850 temp drops fairly quickly after that, but all that's left in terms of PPN by the time we're due to be under -5c 850's are some broken drizzly fragments.


It won't look exactly like that come the time, but I doubt the colder air will move south any quicker in terms of the ppn band.



It's a pity there isn't more cold air embedded as it's quite a neat set up with an area of precipitation moving NE into the cold air before retreating back south. 6z shows intense rainfall which could turn to snow in the early hours for more parts of N England and then another opportunity for places further south later in the day as it intensifies again. Need some upgrades for anything significant though.


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Quantum
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21 December 2020 16:35:31

I think the main issue with this event is a lack of calm zones, the wind doesn't fall light enough anywhere. Still west is best to keep the air over land for long enough.


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
doctormog
21 December 2020 16:59:44

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I think the main issue with this event is a lack of calm zones, the wind doesn't fall light enough anywhere. Still west is best to keep the air over land for long enough.



I am assuming this is different to the snow risk further north (or indeed east later)?


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21 December 2020 17:08:01

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


 


I am assuming this is different to the snow risk further north (or indeed east later)?



Yeh Xmas eve has snow risk in the form of showers for Scotland and NE England.


 


For the 23rd AROME shows where the high risk areas are:



 


 


You want to be on the northern edge, in heavy precip and light winds.


So NE Wales and possibly south Yorkshire look good.


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Polar Low
21 December 2020 17:12:43

Xmas eve look on Q sub -9 FL about 200 metres 528 leaving south coast at that time some ens 12z have added short wave fax shows grouping of heavy showers over the north sea moving into N/E maybe EA later


 


Originally Posted by: Quantum 


I think the main issue with this event is a lack of calm zones, the wind doesn't fall light enough anywhere. Still west is best to keep the air over land for long enough.


Russwirral
21 December 2020 22:05:52
Risk of rain to snow wednesday as the band of rain swipes central england

Onto the next chance, 24th Dec. Looks like a weak front will slip south, anywhere could get a breif snow shower from this, those lucky enough will get their xmas postcard wish.

Then onto 27th onwards for more localised heavy snow showers for just about anywhere as the LP airmasses mix out
johncs2016
21 December 2020 23:01:53

Yet another England/Wales only event which bears no relevance whatsoever, to any of us up here in Scotland and once again, this is just yet another example of how it is usually always the southerners which get the more "interesting" weather.


The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
dagspot
21 December 2020 23:04:43
I doubt that mix on 23rd will produce any significant goods for anyone #coldrain
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Tim A
22 December 2020 09:22:14
Yes very doubtful that it will produce for anyone apart from the higher Pennine hills for a time tonight. Edinburgh has already had more snow than most this winter and some very interesting thundersnow.
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doctormog
22 December 2020 09:26:42

Originally Posted by: johncs2016 


Yet another England/Wales only event which bears no relevance whatsoever, to any of us up here in Scotland and once again, this is just yet another example of how it is usually always the southerners which get the more "interesting" weather.



I would prefer bright and cold with occasional (perhaps wintry) showers over the “excitement” of wet and windy any day.


 


johncs2016
22 December 2020 09:37:15

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


 


I would prefer bright and cold with occasional (perhaps wintry) showers over the “excitement” of wet and windy any day.


 



That would be fine if we could at least get a frost, but that seems to be too much to ask for these days, especially in this part of the world.


The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
Rob K
22 December 2020 12:57:17

Originally Posted by: johncs2016 


 


That would be fine if we could at least get a frost, but that seems to be too much to ask for these days, especially in this part of the world.



There will be no shortage of frost over the next 2 weeks.


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Quantum
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22 December 2020 13:25:18

Tommorow's event seems to mostly affect Ireland now, the precip to the east is not heavy enough to allow significant evap cooling.



But a few cms in SW Ireland definitely possible.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
johncs2016
22 December 2020 13:27:19

Originally Posted by: Rob K 


 


There will be no shortage of frost over the next 2 weeks.



Given the way that this winter has gone so far though, it wouldn't surprise me if the whole of the UK got a frost, except for those of us who live here in Edinburgh (and possibly, Aberdeen in which case, you will no doubt be hearing a lot from Richard on that one).


 


The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
Quantum
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22 December 2020 13:33:34

Originally Posted by: johncs2016 


 


Given the way that this winter has gone so far though, it wouldn't surprise me if the whole of the UK got a frost, except for those of us who live here in Edinburgh (and possibly, Aberdeen in which case, you will no doubt be hearing a lot from Richard on that one).


 



Don't panic, Xmas eve probably has higher snow potential than tommorow anyway and you could easily see snow then.


 


Twitter: @QuantumOverlord (general), @MedicaneWatch (medicane/TC stuff)
2023/2024 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):
29/11 (-6), 30/11 (-6), 02/12 (-5), 03/12 (-5), 04/12 (-3), 16/01 (-3), 18/01 (-8), 08/02 (-5)

Total: 8 days with snow/sleet falling.

2022/2023 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

18/12 (-1), 06/03 (-6), 08/03 (-8), 09/03 (-6), 10/03 (-8), 11/03 (-5), 14/03 (-6)

Total: 7 days with snow/sleet falling.

2021/2022 Snow days (approx 850hpa temp):

26/11 (-5), 27/11 (-7), 28/11 (-6), 02/12 (-6), 06/01 (-5), 07/01 (-6), 06/02 (-5), 19/02 (-5), 24/02 (-7), 30/03 (-7), 31/03 (-8), 01/04 (-8)
Total: 12 days with snow/sleet falling.
Lionel Hutz
22 December 2020 14:12:49

Originally Posted by: Quantum 


Tommorow's event seems to mostly affect Ireland now, the precip to the east is not heavy enough to allow significant evap cooling.



But a few cms in SW Ireland definitely possible.


 



I suppose that there's a chance of that system correcting to the East a little to affect my neck of the woods?


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