Gooner
07 October 2020 10:11:36

JFF Nice to see for Mid November 



Moving towards the end of November



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tallyho_83
07 October 2020 10:17:31

Originally Posted by: Gooner 


JFF Nice to see for Mid November 



Moving towards the end of November




Yes of course JFF but starting to see a pattern emerging with this which looks similar to this set up:



 


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Steve Murr
07 October 2020 21:22:53
A decent ECM NDJ seasonal update this week with a strong pacific ridge & strong Atlantic / Lower Greenland block.
Brian Gaze
07 October 2020 21:33:49

ECM suggesting a front loaded La Nina winter with a negative NAO favoured in November and December.


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Russwirral
08 October 2020 11:48:42

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


ECM suggesting a front loaded La Nina winter with a negative NAO favoured in November and December.



 


More and more models kinda aligning to a blocked and interesting start to the winter season.


 


Every year we get such signals which fizzle to atlantic storms pretty quickly, but given the poor run of winters recently, this may be a balancing out year where cold actually arrives...


 


 


 


 


Justin W
08 October 2020 11:56:06

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


ECM suggesting a front loaded La Nina winter with a negative NAO favoured in November and December.



Front loaded... rear ended...


Looks like a fairly strong La Nina to me. I thought that the experts believe Europe gets severe weather during neutral Enso to weak La Nina events.


 


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tallyho_83
08 October 2020 23:24:39

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 


ECM suggesting a front loaded La Nina winter with a negative NAO favoured in November and December.



Brian? - could you send me link to ECM Nov/Dec seasonal model?


thanks 


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09 October 2020 09:31:31

I posted this on the Model Output thread yesterday but it's also worth posting here. An early look at the likely effects of La Nina across Europe and North America this winter ...

https://www.severe-weather.eu/long-range-2/winter-forecast-season-2020-2021-lanina-early-look-fa/


 


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tallyho_83
09 October 2020 11:42:43

Originally Posted by: GezM 


I posted this on the Model Output thread yesterday but it's also worth posting here. An early look at the likely effects of La Nina across Europe and North America this winter ...

https://www.severe-weather.eu/long-range-2/winter-forecast-season-2020-2021-lanina-early-look-fa/


 



Interesting:


https://www.severe-weather.eu/long-range-2/polar-vortex-formation-winter-2020-2021-fa/


"Without a stratospheric warming event, a La Nina winter can generally be milder in Europe and the United States. The same goes for the west QBO, individually. But combined, they have already produced quite cold winters in the past. This is why the state of the stratospheric polar vortex is important, as well as the phase of the QBO.


Current signals show the potential for a stratospheric warming event in mid-winter, based on current parameters. A lot depends on the positioning of the massive high and low-pressure systems in the North Pacific."


 

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tallyho_83
09 October 2020 18:22:12

All CFS/ENS show weakened zonal winds throughout rest of October, whole of November even into December:




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Gooner
09 October 2020 18:25:10

That's good to see Tally , though only a forecast .


Certainly helps our chances 


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Gooner
09 October 2020 19:34:52

JFF


Think I'd take these 




And now December looks like this , shows it really is a laugh



And January is just a dream



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tallyho_83
09 October 2020 20:04:27

Encouraging signs to see several easterly outbreaks on CFS long range given last winter we saw ZERO! - of course this is all JFF:






On model one run all JFF of course!


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Retron
10 October 2020 12:48:54

 The ECM going free has resulted in a treaure trove of charts - all their ensemble data, for example, now yours for the taking.


Talking of which, here's the 10hPa zonal speed forecast:


https://apps.ecmwf.int/webapps/opencharts/products/extended-zonal-mean-zonal-wind?area=nh&base_time=202010080000


Encouraging, I think, to see the mean is well below the LTA and there's a significant amount of spaghetti below the 10th percentile (and virtually none above the 90th).


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nsrobins
10 October 2020 13:02:18

Originally Posted by: Retron 


 The ECM going free has resulted in a treaure trove of charts - all their ensemble data, for example, now yours for the taking.


Talking of which, here's the 10hPa zonal speed forecast:


https://apps.ecmwf.int/webapps/opencharts/products/extended-zonal-mean-zonal-wind?area=nh&base_time=202010080000


Encouraging, I think, to see the mean is well below the LTA and there's a significant amount of spaghetti below the 10th percentile (and virtually none above the 90th).



The unlocking of a raft of ECM data is welcome, if only to see how it can exacerbate the confusion and befuddlement AKA the annual circus AKA Winter on TWO MO.


If that’s too many abbreviations for you, you won’t survive the next four months 😂😷


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Gooner
10 October 2020 19:48:44

18z CFSv2 from yesterday gives us a pre Xmas tease 



Keeps it going on Xmas day



Would be a white one for some



Followed soon after by an Easterly




 


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tallyho_83
12 October 2020 10:30:22

Oh Dear, O dear, Oh Dear!! Big flip from northern Blocking to mid latitude blocking over central and south western Europe to give us milder winds for November and December!! I do wonder if this sudden flip is a result of the CFS long range model going for a strong super La Nina for this winter 20/21 with some temperatures in the ENSO region to go down to -2.5c below average with some ENS!? What do you think?


 



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Saint Snow
12 October 2020 10:32:29

Let the bi-polar begin.



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Gooner
12 October 2020 10:59:31

@ Tally - I wouldn't worry too much , just ................yet , these charts changed every single run doing a complete U turn






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Gooner
12 October 2020 11:28:05

JFF Be nice to see this if only for a day or so 



Before you know who comes knocking 



Before the East has another go on Xmas Day 



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