There’s no point in posting daily when it’s just the same utterly banal, excruciating and worthless non-weather over and over again

Sick to death of useless forecasters saying it will be a cold night ahead then the temperatures are shown and they are not remotely cold. Then worse still the temperature does not even drop as low as the forecast.

Last night a forecast min of 1C, which is average not cold, then it goes no lower than a mild 2.7C. Just another disgusting horrendous windy week which will complete a snowless first half of winter for only the fourth time in my life and one of those was last year. Apart from this winter having much more gloom, it is practically a carbon copy of last year’s write-off.

Other two were of course 1988/89 when there had been a 7cm snowfall in November, deeper than practically anything in the last seven years, and 2006/07 when there had been a prolonged cold and frosty period in late December that produced ice floes on the River Dee. That leaves only last year as bad at this point and the first lying snow came on 17^th January. No sign of anything but more turgid coma-inducing rot on the horizon this year though

Practically nothing even as far inland as Braemar either. Looks like they got a dusting today which is the first lying snow since mid-December there. Probably have to go all the way back to 1933/34 to find an autumn/winter season so devoid of even basic wintry weather. No snow until 26^th February during that winter of mind-numbing bland nothingness and will probably be the same this year though wouldn't surprise me if it goes one step further and we get nothing whatsoever 

According to the other main forum member from your city (Doctormog), there was a frost in your area, around a couple of days ago which was something which we didn't get here, so I had thought that this was the reason why you hadn't posted anything on that day.

 

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2019/2020... the year we almost saw winter

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A diabolical excuse of a winter. In really is so horrific. 

After what seemed like early promise in October/November has pretty much gone down the drain.

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Suppose to be Winter yet get away without sleeping with socks on it's so mild 

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Its a shocker isn't it.

I keep looking at the skies longingly saying to myself 'this has to change'

I'm beginning to wonder if this is locked in for February now....you really wouldn't bet against it.

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A diabolical excuse of a winter. In really is so horrific. 

After what seemed like early promise in October/November has pretty much gone down the drain.

Well, with all the rain we've had, it's a good job it has gone down the drain.

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Why do we have a winter moaning thread still running when it's clearly already spring?

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Why do we have a winter moaning thread still running when it's clearly already spring?

Perhaps, so that we can then moan about the fact that we're not actually getting any sort of "winter" as we should be according to the calendar.

Even so, that is still a very good point because it can be easy to forget that our Northern Hemisphere winter is actually the Southern Hemisphere summer, and that you could just as easily be reading this from somewhere such as Australia, which is in the Southern Hemisphere. Six months on from now of course, we will then be in the Northern Hemisphere summer which will be the Southern Hemisphere winter.

Since this is a UK-based forum and since the UK is in the Northern Hemisphere, I always go by the meteorological seasons in the Northern Hemisphere according to the calendar when I'm creating these threads and so going by that, I would expect the spring moaning thread to be created on 1 March 2020 since that will be the first day of the meteorological spring in the Northern Hemisphere.

If anyone wants to start the spring moaning thread before then though, please feel free to do so.

 

 

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Mid point in this dire Winter for Cold weather ...Only 3 air frosts here this winter and none since 10th December !!!

Not a single flake of Snow has fallen in fact not even anything even Sleety

The Min max temp is currently 4.4c that was back in December .

I think this is the worse Winter for Cold and or Snow that I can remember in over 45 years its utter dross and no end in sight roll on Spring least we will get some Snow then .

Mid point in this dire Winter for Cold weather ...Only 3 air frosts here this winter and none since 10th December !!!

Not a single flake of Snow has fallen in fact not even anything even Sleety

The Min max temp is currently 4.4c that was back in December .

I think this is the worse Winter for Cold and or Snow that I can remember in over 45 years its utter dross and no end in sight roll on Spring least we will get some Snow then .

 

Coldest daytime max this winter was actually on Christmas day max of 7.5c here in Exeter. Beating the 8c daytime max on 1st December. At least in November we had frosts - Can't believe we have had 7 weeks of winter without a proper frost.

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Definitely seems to be a correlation between HLB in Autumn like we have had again,and the following winter to be mild wet and yuck.

This is fast becoming one of the worst winters in my lifetime,an utter joke a travesty and a complete load of bull.

Definitely seems to be a correlation between HLB in Autumn like we have had again,and the following winter to be mild wet and yuck.

This is fast becoming one of the worst winters in my lifetime,an utter joke a travesty and a complete load of bull.

 

There was a lot of HLB around in the autumns of both 2009 and 2010.

Hugely fragmented PV in both years, though...

 

 

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2019/2020... the year we almost saw winter

Except that you've got two years there....

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There was a lot of HLB around in the autumns of both 2009 and 2010.

Hugely fragmented PV in both years, though...

 

 

The current solar cycle started around December 2008, so the two you mention were one and two years after the minimum.

We are around the minimum (end) of the current cycle now, so applying the same lag, it should be the next two winters that have the greatest potential for high latitude blocking. Although as we all know there are many other factors, I'd say the odds are reasonable for those two winters (2020/21 and 2021/22).

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The current solar cycle started around December 2008, so the two you mention were one and two years after the minimum.

We are around the minimum (end) of the current cycle now, so applying the same lag, it should be the next two winters that have the greatest potential for high latitude blocking. Although as we all know there are many other factors, I'd say the odds are reasonable for those two winters (2020/21 and 2021/22).

Although many last winter 18/19 said that was the 'solar minimum' winter? Thus more chance for HLB? - WE ALL KNOW HOW THAT TURNED OUT?

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According to the other main forum member from your city (Doctormog), there was a frost in your area, around a couple of days ago which was something which we didn't get here, so I had thought that this was the reason why you hadn't posted anything on that day.

 

I am not posting on current conditions anymore until we get proper weather

It dipped below freezing for about 25 minutes on Sunday to a low of -0.3C. It is beyond desperate if that’s the best on offer. More like a frost in late March or April. Tis week has been worse than dire with a constant nasty unpleasant wind and nothing below 2C. The first half of winter has managed only eight frosts and a duration of 47.4 hours below freezing which is just total garbage. Even the horrendously wet and dull November 2019, which wasn’t in any way cold managed 49.4 hours below freezing.

The temperatures have been utterly shocking in fact with yesterday producing a min of 2.7C and max of 5.0C under a SW’ly. Just beyond a joke as that is what you used to expect under an easterly. Ridiculous that a SW flow should give such a low max and low diurnal range.

Today is just as bad with the temperature stuck on a dreadful 6C all evening and the upcoming high pressure looks horrendous as well bringing more of same frostless, grey, boring, monotonous mild crap

Such a hopeless situation we are in at the moment where it seems impossible for anything remotely interesting to happen.

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Why do we have a winter moaning thread still running when it's clearly already spring?

Winter is just 3 weeks old.  Model fatigue (which usually sets in around February 2nd), has come early this year.  Dummies lay scattered around the cots in the nursery.

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Why do I have the feeling March will be cold and snowy at times... I hope not or I might become a South going Zax ( Dr Seuss)

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Winter is just 3 weeks old.  Model fatigue (which usually sets in around February 2nd), has come early this year.  Dummies lay scattered around the cots in the nursery.

3 weeks old?? it's half over!

Meteorological winter of course and that is what the Met Office use for statistical purposes. So that is 'winter' as far as I'm concerned. Can we really say that Dec 20th *isn't* winter yet Mar 20th *is*? It's an old argument I know....

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3 weeks old?? it's half over!

Meteorological winter of course and that is what the Met Office use for statistical purposes. So that is 'winter' as far as I'm concerned. Can we really say that Dec 20th *isn't* winter yet Mar 20th *is*? It's an old argument I know....

We've had the coldest weather in March here since 2013. Notably 2013 and 2018.  Also 2005, 2006 stick in the memory as notably cold with snow. Januaries on the other hand, apart from 2010 have been largely poor.

We are a maritime thermally lagged climate and the astronomical calendar sets the seasons most effectively for us.

 

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