Shropshire
15 December 2020 15:33:00

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


Sunday 20 Dec - Tuesday 29 Dec


There is the potential for outbreaks of heavy rain in the south at the beginning of this period. Otherwise, a ridge of high pressure is expected to build to the west of the UK with many southern and western parts becoming predominantly dry and settled. The greatest chance of showers is in the north and perhaps in the east. There is a potential for strong winds in the far south at first; at other times any strong winds are likely to be confined to the north and perhaps the east. Prevalence of overnight fog and frost is likely increasing, with fog potentially slow to clear during the daytime. Temperatures either close to or slightly below normal.


Tuesday 29 Dec - Tuesday 12 Jan


High pressure will probably be remaining the dominant pattern for the UK over the last days of December. This means a good deal of dry weather for many parts but with overnight frost and fog, with fog potentially slow to clear. Some periods of wetter weather may develop at times, most likely in the east. Into January confidence is low, although a change to more unsettled conditions with Atlantic systems moving in from the west is looking likely to occur during the first half of January.


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/


 



A poor update and the uncertainty has been removed later on - the one constant remains unfortunately and that's the return of zonality in early Jan.


From December 27th 2020, zonality will be banned from mixing with the UK. We appreciate that this may come as a shock to younger people and old Uncle Barty. This ban will last for a minimum of ten days.
Justin W
15 December 2020 16:13:37

Originally Posted by: Shropshire 


 


A poor update and the uncertainty has been removed later on - the one constant remains unfortunately and that's the return of zonality in early Jan.



It's only just mid December and you are already trolling about the second week in January. Desperate!


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Robertski
15 December 2020 16:29:25

Originally Posted by: Shropshire 


 


A poor update and the uncertainty has been removed later on - the one constant remains unfortunately and that's the return of zonality in early Jan.



Zonality will always return, it is the most likely outcome, but until it does, there remains the possibility of some seasonal cool/cold weather, whether that lasts a few days or a week or two, it will become zonal at some point. So nothing new in the update nor is anything nailed on this far out.


I'm looking forward to some festive weather, it turning zonal at some point, well that's pretty obvious.

Gavin D
15 December 2020 21:47:23

And so the countdown to spring begins


 



Gooner
15 December 2020 22:48:34

The Beeb going for a very brief cold snap and favouring GFS 


Remember anything after T120 is really Just For Fun



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idj20
15 December 2020 23:01:34

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


And so the countdown to spring begins


 






However, mornings will continue to grow darker until 2nd January. 


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Gavin D
16 December 2020 10:14:28

BBC monthly outlook


Summary


Mild & wet for a time. Colder at Christmas!


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Wednesday 16 December – Sunday 20 December


Windy and very wet, especially in the west. Mild.


Wednesday 16th will see a small but rather intense area of low pressure moving north across Ireland. This feature will already be producing widespread strong to near gale force south-easterly winds across the western half of the UK by dawn on Wednesday, combined with persistent and heavy rain. The rain will push rapidly north across all of Scotland by midday. But its eastwards progress across England will be much slower. East Anglia and the far south-east of England will stay dry until after dark. Most of the UK will have extensive cloud cover.


Thursday will be a much brighter day for most of the UK, with widespread sunny spells. These will be most prolonged of these over central and eastern England, where it will be a predominantly dry day. Scattered showers will affect southern and western coastal counties of the UK. These will be heaviest close to the Kent and Sussex coast and also over Wales, north-west England, Northern Ireland and western Scotland. Still windy in the north, but less so than on Wednesday.


Friday and the weekend will be influenced by a new large low pressure over the north-east Atlantic, moving slowly eastwards towards the UK. Extensive cloud cover on Friday, with intermittent rain and drizzle and hill fog over western hills and mountains. A broad band of heavy rain moving slowly east across the country on Friday night, with strong south-westerly winds. Brighter and showery conditions over the weekend, but staying windy, with brisk west or south-westerly winds.


Monday 21 December – Sunday 27 December


A mild & wet start. Turning colder by Christmas.


The first half of this week will continue in the same vein as the previous week, with additional low pressure areas continuing to track north-eastwards over the UK. Because we have relatively high pressure to the north of the UK, the north Atlantic low pressure track is displaced a bit further south than where it would normally be in December. This means that Wales and south-west England will continue to bear the brunt of the strongest winds and heaviest rainfall, rather than western Scotland and Cumbria.


Milder than average conditions in the early part of the week, due to a combination of south-westerly winds, extensive cloud cover, rain and often windy weather. This will prevent a frost forming at night. However, there is a slight risk that Scotland and even northern England could get into some chillier air on Tuesday 22nd and Wednesday 23rd , if the low pressure areas fail to push up quite as far over the UK. Some forecast computer models support this risk. This would mean the chance of a slight frost at night here, and maybe some sleet and snow over the mountains of Wales and northern UK.


By Christmas Eve and Christmas Day, confidence is growing for at least a couple of days of colder and brighter weather, as winds change to a north-westerly direction and a ridge of high pressure then moves in from the west. Scattered wintry showers in this north-westerly flow may fall as snow, raising the possibility of a white Christmas in parts of the UK! Scotland and the hillier parts of northern England and Wales stand the best chance. Stay tuned to the forecast over the next few days. Some sunshine by day, but a frost is very likely at night for many places.


Additional fronts moving in at the end of week will bring some rain. A slight chance of this falling as snow for a time as the fronts move into colder air over the UK.


Monday 28 December – Sunday 10 January


Changeable, with cold & mild spells alternating


The latest long range forecast models are having a hard time finding some consistency and predictability during this period, with a lack of any robust signals for either sustained cold weather or sustained mild, wet and windy weather.


What seems fairly clear, though, is that the north Atlantic low pressure track should remain active and keep fronts moving towards the UK at fairly regular intervals. Transient high pressure ridges are predicted to shift over the UK from time to time, giving us a few days break from the rain, but a prolonged dry spell doesn't seem likely.


At the same time, there is also a signal for a large area of high pressure to remain over eastern Europe, Scandinavia and north-west Russia. This feature will help to steer low pressure areas to the south of the UK at times, allowing for less rain and wind over Scotland, but wet and windy weather over south-western UK at times.


Similar weather patterns over Europe in the recent past have resulted in a highly changeable weather regime over the UK. Even more so than usual. It's very likely that there will be another cold spell during this time, with the risk of some short-lived sleet and snow and overnight frost. This variable weather pattern will certainly keep long range forecasters on their toes!


Further ahead


Any updates to the festive season weather forecast will be covered, but we will start to look in more detail at the key trends for the first half of January 2021.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/outlook

Gavin D
16 December 2020 14:34:47

​Met office 10 day trend


Colder for Christmas
Mild before then
Further rain


 


Gavin D
16 December 2020 14:39:07

US snow storm: New York and East Coast warned of 60cms in biggest snow storm in years


 


"America's east coast is about to be hit by what could be the biggest winter storm for years, with 50 million people in the path of the snow. Up to two feet (60cm) of snow is expected to fall along the eastern seaboard, stretching from North Carolina up through New England in the north east.


"For much of the area, right along the coast, we are going to have a mix of rain, snow and maybe some sleet and freezing rain," said Sarah Johnson, a weather service meteorologist in New Jersey.


"As you get farther inland, you will see more predominant snow." Mayor of New York City Bill de Blasio asked people to "take it seriously" in a message posted online. Mr de Blasio added there could wind gusts of up to 50mph and snow cover of 30cm, urging New Yorkers to take precautions ahead of the storm's arrival."


 


https://news.sky.com/story/us-east-coast-could-see-up-60cm-of-snow-as-huge-winter-storm-rolls-in-12163802?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

Gavin D
16 December 2020 16:33:52

Monday 21 Dec - Wednesday 30 Dec


There is the potential for outbreaks of heavy rain in the south at the beginning of this period. Otherwise, a ridge of high pressure is expected to build to the west of the UK with many southern and western parts becoming predominantly dry and settled. The greatest chance of showers is in the north and perhaps in the east. There is a potential for strong winds in the far south at first; at other times any strong winds are likely to be confined to the north and perhaps the east. Prevalence of overnight fog and frost is likely increasing, with fog potentially slow to clear during the daytime. Temperatures either close to or slightly below normal.


Wednesday 30 Dec - Wednesday 13 Jan


High pressure will probably be remaining the dominant pattern for the UK over the last days of December. This means a good deal of dry weather for many parts but with overnight frost and fog, with fog potentially slow to clear. Some periods of wetter weather may develop at times, most likely in the east. Into January confidence is low, although a change to more unsettled conditions with Atlantic systems moving in from the west is looking likely to occur during the first half of January.


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/


 

tallyho_83
16 December 2020 22:54:43

Originally Posted by: Gavin D 


US snow storm: New York and East Coast warned of 60cms in biggest snow storm in years


 


"America's east coast is about to be hit by what could be the biggest winter storm for years, with 50 million people in the path of the snow. Up to two feet (60cm) of snow is expected to fall along the eastern seaboard, stretching from North Carolina up through New England in the north east.


"For much of the area, right along the coast, we are going to have a mix of rain, snow and maybe some sleet and freezing rain," said Sarah Johnson, a weather service meteorologist in New Jersey.


"As you get farther inland, you will see more predominant snow." Mayor of New York City Bill de Blasio asked people to "take it seriously" in a message posted online. Mr de Blasio added there could wind gusts of up to 50mph and snow cover of 30cm, urging New Yorkers to take precautions ahead of the storm's arrival."


 


https://news.sky.com/story/us-east-coast-could-see-up-60cm-of-snow-as-huge-winter-storm-rolls-in-12163802?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter



Yes - take a look at this:


Worth a watch on the video below - the snowfall is very marginal.


https://newyork.cbslocal.com/video/5103619-new-york-weather-snow-headed-our-way/


I posted this in the webcam thread - but incase you missed it here is the live cam of Times Square - all having a snowball fight. Not much evidence of social distancing there.


https://www.earthcam.com/cams/newyork/timessquare/?cam=tsstreet


 


 


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Zubzero
16 December 2020 23:08:35

New York Snow 


Yep getting heavy and starting to settle in Manhattan.

Gavin D
17 December 2020 15:12:08

Tuesday 22 Dec - Thursday 31 Dec


There is potential for outbreaks of heavy rain in the south at the beginning of this period. Otherwise, a ridge of high pressure is expected to build to the west of the UK, bringing cold conditions, and remaining the dominant pattern for the rest of the year, with many southern and western parts becoming predominantly dry and settled. North and east seeing the greatest chance of showers, with these falling as snow in places, especially on higher ground. A potential for strong winds in the far south at first; later, any strong winds are likely to be confined to the north and perhaps the east. Prevalence of overnight fog and frost is likely increasing, with fog potentially slow to clear. Temperatures either close to or slightly below normal.


Thursday 31 Dec - Thursday 14 Jan


High pressure patterns means a good deal of dry weather for many parts, but with overnight frost and fog, with fog being potentially slow to clear. Some periods of wetter weather may develop at times, most likely in the east. Confidence is low, although a change to more unsettled conditions with Atlantic systems moving in from the west is looking likely to occur by the second week of January.


https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/


 

pdiddy
17 December 2020 17:14:25

https://www.scotsman.com/news/people/edinburgh-most-likely-city-uk-see-white-christmas-3071350


 


I was particularly drawn to the "generous odds" being offered...


 


Punters can also bet on whether the UK will have the coldest winter on record this year, at odds of 4-6, or the coldest December on record at 2-1.

johncs2016
17 December 2020 18:44:53

Originally Posted by: pdiddy 


https://www.scotsman.com/news/people/edinburgh-most-likely-city-uk-see-white-christmas-3071350


 


I was particularly drawn to the "generous odds" being offered...


 


Punters can also bet on whether the UK will have the coldest winter on record this year, at odds of 4-6, or the coldest December on record at 2-1.



What amazes me here is that Edinburgh is being quoted as the bookies' favourite amongst all of the Scottish cities to get a white Christmas this year.


For a start, Edinburgh doesn't normally get any actual "interesting" weather (the reason for my recent absence from this forum is because there has been nothing interesting for me to be able to report in terms of our weather).


Furthermore, you would normally expect places such as Aberdeen and Inverness (which is also a city these days) to have a better chance on average, of getting snow than here in Edinburgh due to those places being colder on average.


Personally, I don't see that actually happening because the main route towards cold weather according to the most recent model output has been by means of a northerly which at this time of the year, usually just results in it being bone dry here in Edinburgh with places such as Aberdeen being more likely to get some snow showers from that.


 


 


The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
pdiddy
17 December 2020 18:55:24

Originally Posted by: johncs2016 


 the main route towards cold weather according to the most recent model output has been by means of a northerly which at this time of the year, usually just results in it being bone dry here in Edinburgh with places such as Aberdeen being more likely to get some snow showers from that.


 


 



Exactly!


 

pdiddy
17 December 2020 18:57:15

...that said, I will happily offer odds of 4/6 for coldest winter on record should there be any interested punters out there unable to get to Coral because of the impending waist-deep snow.

johncs2016
17 December 2020 21:22:09

Originally Posted by: pdiddy 


 


Exactly!


 



Let's not forget as well though that even if Aberdeen does get a bit of snow from that, Richard will no doubt still be complaining that this isn't enough since that is just what Richard from Aberdeen is like.


The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.
Ally Pally Snowman
18 December 2020 08:27:27

Record snows in Japan now as well


 


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-55359771


 


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David M Porter
18 December 2020 08:31:32

Originally Posted by: johncs2016 


 


Let's not forget as well though that even if Aberdeen does get a bit of snow from that, Richard will no doubt still be complaining that this isn't enough since that is just what Richard from Aberdeen is like.



Either that or he'll likely complain that it is, to quote the famous old British Rail excuse, "the wrong type of snow".


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