Global Warming
17 April 2019 21:05:56

Well I have to say I was becoming rather concerned about my prediction with much cooler conditions being consistently predicted for the last week of the month. But over the past 24 hours or so things have changed significantly. It now looks like my prediction of 9.8C could actually be quite close. Of course a long way to go and things could easily change again.


At the moment the prediction is for a finishing figure of 9.74C for April.


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johncs2016
17 April 2019 21:19:52

Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


Well I have to say I was becoming rather concerned about my prediction with much cooler conditions being consistently predicted for the last week of the month. But over the past 24 hours or so things have changed significantly. It now looks like my prediction of 9.8C could actually be quite close. Of course a long way to go and things could easily change again.


At the moment the prediction is for a finishing figure of 9.74C for April.


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That would just be like the thing if my own prediction STILL ended up being too low despite the fact that I have gone quite high this time. However, that is just the typical nature of things these days in this era of climate change and global warming which is the reason why I went for a high value in the first place.


 


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18 April 2019 04:22:15

Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


Well I have to say I was becoming rather concerned about my prediction with much cooler conditions being consistently predicted for the last week of the month. But over the past 24 hours or so things have changed significantly. It now looks like my prediction of 9.8C could actually be quite close. Of course a long way to go and things could easily change again.


At the moment the prediction is for a finishing figure of 9.74C for April.


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WHAT!!!  I’ve gone too low?  


Bring it on!  


At this rate we could even beat last April and that was pretty good!  Are we setting up for another record breaking year? 


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johncs2016
18 April 2019 05:33:57

Originally Posted by: Caz 


WHAT!!!  I’ve gone too low?  


Bring it on!  


At this rate we could even beat last April and that was pretty good!  Are we setting up for another record breaking year? 



I know that we can't really go on about climate change here but from that context and since I care quite a lot about the environment and the future of humanity and life in general on this planet, I will be very concerned indeed if that ends up being the case.


 


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ARTzeman
18 April 2019 11:08:14

Met Office Hadley          7.4c.        Anomaly       0.2c. Provisional to 17th.


Metcheck                      6.74c        Anomaly       -1.28c


Netweather                   7.27c        Anomaly       -1.28c


Mean of my 10 stations  7.88c.   Difference     -1.37c.  






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Stormchaser
18 April 2019 14:57:03

Yes... some impressive sustained warmth possible next week provided that cut-off low sets up west of Iberia. There are still some model runs that fail to do this and bring an active trough close to or over the UK from the west instead, turning conditions fresher until late in the week.


The GFS 06z was one of the warmest so far for 18th-28th with a mean CET estimate of 13.8*C for that period. Despite a much cooler final day to the month, the monthly CET estimate comes in at a healthy 9.5*C by my crude method.


I think if we allow for GFS' low bias during anomalously warm weather, high 9s is very plausible and we could even make a run for the 10s... again, if that trough by Iberia sets up.


 


This really goes to show how much of a guessing game we're part of here, even when the overall trend has been well signposted for a long time.


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Hungry Tiger
18 April 2019 19:55:32

Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


Yes... some impressive sustained warmth possible next week provided that cut-off low sets up west of Iberia. There are still some model runs that fail to do this and bring an active trough close to or over the UK from the west instead, turning conditions fresher until late in the week.


The GFS 06z was one of the warmest so far for 18th-28th with a mean CET estimate of 13.8*C for that period. Despite a much cooler final day to the month, the monthly CET estimate comes in at a healthy 9.5*C by my crude method.


I think if we allow for GFS' low bias during anomalously warm weather, high 9s is very plausible and we could even make a run for the 10s... again, if that trough by Iberia sets up.


 


This really goes to show how much of a guessing game we're part of here, even when the overall trend has been well signposted for a long time.




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ARTzeman
19 April 2019 09:48:21

Met Office Hadley           7.8c      Anomaly      0.5c. Provisional to 18th.


Metcheck                        7.04c     Anomaly      -0.98c


Netweather                     7.59c     Anomaly      -0.52c


Mean of my 10 stations    8.28c.    Difference    -0.97c.   






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Stormchaser
19 April 2019 14:25:43

Guessing game and then some!


I can't quite believe how far ECM and GFS have swung the other way now, with an unusually vigorous jet driving right across S. UK by Thu or Fri. Final CET estimates are down into the low 9s at best.


As well as that would happen to suit me CET-wise this month, it seems a bit melodramatic to me. Sure, some undesirable trough interaction is probably going to bring that low from the southwest into play more than some would like (but the rain will be useful, to use the infamous phrase...!), but a winter-like feedback sequence with more lows piling in via a long negatively tilted (i.e. NW-SE orientated) trough seems unreasonable to me.


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moomin75
20 April 2019 06:32:40

Originally Posted by: Stormchaser 


Guessing game and then some!


I can't quite believe how far ECM and GFS have swung the other way now, with an unusually vigorous jet driving right across S. UK by Thu or Fri. Final CET estimates are down into the low 9s at best.


As well as that would happen to suit me CET-wise this month, it seems a bit melodramatic to me. Sure, some undesirable trough interaction is probably going to bring that low from the southwest into play more than some would like (but the rain will be useful, to use the infamous phrase...!), but a winter-like feedback sequence with more lows piling in via a long negatively tilted (i.e. NW-SE orientated) trough seems unreasonable to me.


We surely know from past experience that GFS and ECM are always likely to swing dramatically. They always have done. The models are extremely fallible and this has been proven once again.


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ARTzeman
20 April 2019 10:21:43

Met Office Hadley         8.1c.       Anomaly     0.8c. Provisional to 19th.


Metcheck                      7.39c      Anomaly      -0.63c


Netweather                  7.96c       Anomaly      -0.15c


mean of My 10             8.54c       Difference    -0.71c.   






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Global Warming
21 April 2019 09:14:35

My CET estimate has dropped a little compared to a few days ago, but not much. Current estimate is for a final CET of 9.48C despite cooler conditions towards the end of this week.


The next three days will see the mean temperature close to the CET date record. Not as warm as last year though where we had two days at 17C+ on 18th and 19th April.


First 25C yesterday with Gosport Fleetlands the warmest in the country for the second day in a row. Maximum was 25.5C. Still someway off the date record though. Last year we had 29C on 19th April.

Global Warming
21 April 2019 09:35:29

Here are the maximum temperatures for each day in February this year. We set 6 date records which is quite remarkable. Previously the year with the most date records in February was 1998 with 4.


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ARTzeman
21 April 2019 10:37:15

Met Office  Hadley           8.4c.      Anomaly        1.1c.  Provisional to 20th.


Metcheck                         7.73c     Anomaly         -0.29c


Netweather                      8.29c     Anomaly         0.2c


Man of my 10 stations       8.99c.    Difference      -0.26c. 






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21 April 2019 11:09:30

Climbing fairly rapidly Art!  


GW, interesting stats but as always, I want to know more!    I was wondering if information is available for the year that has broken the most date records?  It looks like this year already got off to a decent start and it might be worth keeping track on it throughout the year.  


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Hungry Tiger
21 April 2019 11:17:19

Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


Here are the maximum temperatures for each day in February this year. We set 6 date records which is quite remarkable. Previously the year with the most date records in February was 1998 with 4.


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Its amazing that 21.0C was hit in the February as well. Remarkable really. :-)


 


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ARTzeman
21 April 2019 13:08:13

Originally Posted by: Caz 


Climbing fairly rapidly Art!  


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Global Warming
21 April 2019 14:48:29

Originally Posted by: Caz 


Climbing fairly rapidly Art!  


GW, interesting stats but as always, I want to know more!    I was wondering if information is available for the year that has broken the most date records?  It looks like this year already got off to a decent start and it might be worth keeping track on it throughout the year.  



I don't think that data is available Caz. It would be somewhat misleading anyway because the further back you go, the fewer years there will be in the data series and hence the more likely it would have been that a date record would be broken. It should be less likely that a record would fall when there are more years in the data series, unless of course the climate is changing. 


What is probably more useful is to look at the current date records and see which year has the most.


Worth noting that 2018 only broke 5 date records in the whole year, whereas this February we broke 6 in one month.


2017 broke 6 date records across the whole year.


2016 broke 9 date records.


2015 broke 10 or 11 date records (1 is disputed). In that year we broke 4 in November and 5 in December - that was of course the record breaking December.


Years with most date records currently standing (I have not had time to do a full check of the list but these four years certainly stand out):


1976 - 14
1990 - 13
1947 - 12
1948 - 11

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21 April 2019 14:58:27

Originally Posted by: Global Warming 


 


I don't think that data is available Caz. It would be somewhat misleading anyway because the further back you go, the fewer years there will be in the data series and hence the more likely it would have been that a date record would be broken. It should be less likely that a record would fall when there are more years in the data series, unless of course the climate is changing. 


What is probably more useful is to look at the current date records and see which year has the most.


Worth noting that 2018 only broke 5 date records in the whole year, whereas this February we broke 6 in one month.


2017 broke 6 date records across the whole year.


2016 broke 9 date records.


2015 broke 10 or 11 date records (1 is disputed). In that year we broke 4 in November and 5 in December - that was of course the record breaking December.


Years with most date records currently standing (I have not had time to do a full check of the list but these four years certainly stand out):


1976 - 14
1990 - 13
1947 - 12
1948 - 11


Interesting and you’re right about it being misleading.  I think you spend enough of your time keeping this thread updated and I honestly don’t expect you to do more just because I’m interested!  I guess I’m just a drama queen who likes to see records fall!  But I’m really hoping we get another summer as exciting as last year was on here!  


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lanky
21 April 2019 17:41:30

Originally Posted by: Caz 


Climbing fairly rapidly Art!  


GW, interesting stats but as always, I want to know more!    I was wondering if information is available for the year that has broken the most date records?  It looks like this year already got off to a decent start and it might be worth keeping track on it throughout the year.  



I did a graphic a couple of years go for the Climate thread showing the date records each year (max and min) since 1878 plus ties. I did this mainly as an alternative way to show the warming UK climate as the density of warm date records is all recent and those for cold records are generally older. So it's not that easy to see which actual year it is


This was done in 2018 and only went up to 2017 so some date records may have been broken since then


By definiition it is a "looking backwards" graphic as in the early years date records would have been more frequent a the history was shorter (1878 would have had 365 of them )


 


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