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TimS
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24 July 2018 18:00:41
I can’t help looking at that Scandinavia high (what’s the high pressure equivalent of dartboard - “contour map of a volcano”?) and thinking beasts plural from the East this winter. Will be interesting to see.
Brockley, South East London 30m asl
Brian Gaze
24 July 2018 18:07:44

GEFS 12z can hardly be described as a washout.  


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andy-manc
24 July 2018 18:08:23

Don't worry. Any poor runs just end up being a glancing blow to the north west. Not that I like to complain 

xioni2
24 July 2018 18:08:41

Actually all 3.models (ensembles)  are showing a retrogression of the positive height anomalies in Aug and a weakening and a southward shift of the Atlantic trough.

The main question for me if it will be enough to go back to almost the June pattern, but I think most likely is something between that and the current pattern.

An absence of MJO waves would also help as tropical west Pacific convection in summer often contributes to a trough/ridge pattern like this week. 

Arcus
24 July 2018 18:11:38

ECM maintains it's theme of dragging through a shallow daughter low under the main LP which advects the really warm air in the SE and EA. This also has the side effect of stalling the progression of the fronts out west.

Friday 12z:


Ben,

Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire

30m asl

Polar Low
24 July 2018 18:11:47

Small upgrade for the extreme east for Friday 18 uppers thats a >36c chart in any prolonged sunshine for east

 

Polar Low
24 July 2018 18:18:28

Yes Ben slightly more s/e better for heat

ECM maintains it's theme of dragging through a shallow daughter low under the main LP which advects the really warm air in the SE and EA. This also has the side effect of stalling the progression of the fronts out west.

Friday 12z:

Originally Posted by: Arcus 

Rob K
24 July 2018 18:22:26
Arpege 12Z still has 36C in the extreme east on Friday - although so far east it probably wouldn't get picked up by any Met Office sites.

GFS 12Z ensembles are the most spread I have seen for a while, but still plenty of hot stuff in there.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Rob K
24 July 2018 18:23:50

Small upgrade for the extreme east for Friday 18 uppers thats a >36c chart in any prolonged sunshine for east

 

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

 

Make that 19C uppers. July record would be under threat there.

 

 

However ECM is following the GFS in spinning up a much deeper low over Iceland. https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/ecm/120_mslp500.png?cb=52

 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Polar Low
24 July 2018 18:25:26

37C then

 

 

Make that 19C uppers. July record would be under threat there.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

SJV
24 July 2018 18:29:18

Arpege 12Z still has 36C in the extreme east on Friday - although so far east it probably wouldn't get picked up by any Met Office sites.

GFS 12Z ensembles are the most spread I have seen for a while, but still plenty of hot stuff in there.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Can understand that given the complexities of Friday + weekend. Once that's done and dusted we should get better agreement on the heat potential for early August.

Arcus
24 July 2018 18:29:27
ECM then goes all Canadian early next week!
Ben,

Nr. Easingwold, North Yorkshire

30m asl

Rob K
24 July 2018 18:32:39

37C then

 

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

Raw ECM output only says 33C, according to the maps on weather.us.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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superteacher
24 July 2018 18:38:34

 

Raw ECM output only says 33C, according to the maps on weather.us.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

So add 2, that would give 35C. Still impressive!

SJV
24 July 2018 18:39:35

Erm, anyone wanna make sense of the ECM run 120-168?  What is that low pressure doing? 

I assume it's going to lift northwards like the 00z?

Polar Low
24 July 2018 18:40:59

Perhaps gfs is closer to the mark Rob think you could add one or two on those for Fri/Sat

http://www.weersite.net/?actueel&ensemble&gfs_2m

 

Raw ECM output only says 33C, according to the maps on weather.us.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

superteacher
24 July 2018 18:44:01

Erm, anyone wanna make sense of the ECM run 120-168?  What is that low pressure doing? 

I assume it's going to lift northwards like the 00z?

Originally Posted by: SJV 

At 192 the Azores high starts to ridge in.

I seriously doubt the LP will be that deep for the weekend. Mind you it's unusual for ECM to blow up LP's, but it does happen sometimes.

Ally Pally Snowman
24 July 2018 18:53:09

Huge high builds in again by the 2nd , incredibly strong signal for this.


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Rob K
24 July 2018 18:59:14

Perhaps gfs is closer to the mark Rob think you could add one or two on those for Fri/Sat

http://www.weersite.net/?actueel&ensemble&gfs_2m

 

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

 

Those are for De Bilt though so hardly representative of British temps.

 

ECM still solid on building in high pressure from the south by August 3 with high 850s, strong signal for this.


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Polar Low
24 July 2018 19:03:56

 It says Lat :52 Lon Rob top left

 

 

Those are for De Bilt though so hardly representative of British temps.

 

ECM still solid on building in high pressure from the south by August 3 with high 850s, strong signal for this.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

Polar Low
24 July 2018 19:06:26

After the dance with the devil words fail me

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/topkarten.php?map=1&model=ecm&var=1&run=12&time=240&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=24#mapref

 

 

Huge high builds in again by the 2nd , incredibly strong signal for this.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

TimS
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24 July 2018 19:12:01
Does anyone know if the Boxworth site in Cambs that recorded the hottest temperature of 1995 is still in action? Google seems to imply not. Shame, as it would be nice for nostalgia’s sake if it managed the hottest temperature this year on Friday.


Brockley, South East London 30m asl
Rob K
24 July 2018 19:12:09

 It says Lat :52 Lon Rob top left

 

Originally Posted by: Polar Low 

For me it says "De_Bilt Lat:52 Lon: 5".

 

The exact spot 52N 5E is actually a roundabout just outside Utrecht, according to Google Maps: https://www.google.com/maps/place/52%C2%B000'00.0%22N+5%C2%B000'00.0%22E/@51.998206,4.9913893,15.04z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d52!4d5

 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Rob K
24 July 2018 19:16:15

Does anyone know if the Boxworth site in Cambs that recorded the hottest temperature of 1995 is still in action? Google seems to imply not. Shame, as it would be nice for nostalgia’s sake if it managed the hottest temperature this year on Friday.

Originally Posted by: TimS 

 

There's a map of all the Met Office stations here. Doesnt look like Boxworth is there any more. Two stations in Cambridge and one at Monks Wood.

 

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/climate-network/#?tab=climateNetwork

 

Looking at the likely hottest spots on Friday, it would seem Tobenham or Charsfield could be the hottest - ones I have never seen in the UK maxima lists before. The East Bergholt and Lingwood manual stations could also be late contenders.

 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Polar Low
24 July 2018 19:25:14

Apologies Rob I can see what I have done :Longtiude: thanks for putting us right

https://www.findlatitudeandlongitude.com/?loc=52n+5e&id=2871489#.W1d7qtVKjIU

 

 

 

For me it says "De_Bilt Lat:52 Lon: 5".

 

The exact spot 52N 5E is actually a roundabout just outside Utrecht, according to Google Maps: https://www.google.com/maps/place/52%C2%B000'00.0%22N+5%C2%B000'00.0%22E/@51.998206,4.9913893,15.04z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x0:0x0!8m2!3d52!4d5

 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

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