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Chiltern Blizzard
03 February 2014 19:51:26
Based on current output I wonder if winter 2013/14 could possibly not only be the wettest winter ever, but the wettest season ever. I believe that was autumn 2000 with just over 500mm... Hopefully not...

Andrew


Rendlesham, Suffolk 20m asl
UncleAlbert
03 February 2014 20:23:34

Based on current output I wonder if winter 2013/14 could possibly not only be the wettest winter ever, but the wettest season ever. I believe that was autumn 2000 with just over 500mm... Hopefully not...

Andrew

Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 

Yes, and I dont recall that one causing problems anywhere near this scale on the Somerset Levels. (An argument for dredging?) It did however bring the Exe within inches of inundating low lying parts of Exeter even though flood prevention had been installed since the floods that occured there during the exceptionally wet autumn of 1960.

Chiltern Blizzard
03 February 2014 21:15:34

Based on current output I wonder if winter 2013/14 could possibly not only be the wettest winter ever, but the wettest season ever. I believe that was autumn 2000 with just over 500mm... Hopefully not...

Andrew

Originally Posted by: UncleAlbert 

Yes, and I dont recall that one causing problems anywhere near this scale on the Somerset Levels. (An argument for dredging?) It did however bring the Exe within inches of inundating low lying parts of Exeter even though flood prevention had been installed since the floods that occured there during the exceptionally wet autumn of 1960.

Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 

Maybe not the Somerset levels, but I remember the Ouse around York being at unprecedented levels and half of Sussex (not quitr literally) being under water.


Rendlesham, Suffolk 20m asl
KevBrads1
05 February 2014 05:27:34

Wettest winters on record for England and Wales

423.0 1914-15

420.9 1989-90

418.3 1876-77

415.6 1994-95

388.3 1993-94

380.6 1868-69

374.3 1959-60

373.5 1915-16

363.0 1965-66

362.0 1936-37

340.0 1976-77

337.2 1911-12

335.2 1978-79

332.6 1922-23

331.9 2000-01

331.7 1882-83

330.6 1883-84

330.4 1924-25

330.2 1929-30

329.4 1909-10

328.3 1934-35

327.8 2006-07

326.5 1979-80

323.9 1918-19

323.6 2013-14 up to 3rd Feb


MANCHESTER SUMMER INDEX for 2021: 238

Timelapses, old weather forecasts and natural phenomena videos can be seen on this site

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgrSD1BwFz2feWDTydhpEhQ/playlists

KevBrads1
06 February 2014 05:03:49

Wettest winters on record for England and Wales

423.0 1914-15

420.9 1989-90

418.3 1876-77

415.6 1994-95

388.3 1993-94

380.6 1868-69

374.3 1959-60

373.5 1915-16

363.0 1965-66

362.0 1936-37

340.0 1976-77

337.2 1911-12

335.2 1978-79

332.8 2013-14 up to 4th February


MANCHESTER SUMMER INDEX for 2021: 238

Timelapses, old weather forecasts and natural phenomena videos can be seen on this site

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgrSD1BwFz2feWDTydhpEhQ/playlists

JHutch
06 February 2014 07:00:08

Based on current output I wonder if winter 2013/14 could possibly not only be the wettest winter ever, but the wettest season ever. I believe that was autumn 2000 with just over 500mm... Hopefully not... Andrew

Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 

Yes, and I dont recall that one causingproblems anywhere near this scaleon the Somerset Levels.(An argument for dredging?) It did however bring the Exe within inches of inundating low lying parts of Exeter even though flood preventionhad beeninstalled since the floods that occured there during the exceptionally wet autumn of 1960.

Originally Posted by: UncleAlbert 

Maybe not the Somerset levels, but I remember the Ouse around York being at unprecedented levels and half of Sussex (not quitr literally) being under water.

Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 

Was absolutely incredible seeing the amount of water coming down the Severn through Shrewsbury after the late October storm. See below for the content from a met office article on the wet winter.

 

The flooding that occurred across much of England and Wales in the autumn and early winter of 2000 was the most extensive since the snowmelt-generated floods of March 1947. In all, 10,000 homes and businesses were flooded at 700 locations. Peak flows on five major rivers - the Thames, Trent, Severn, Wharfe and Dee - were the highest for sixty years, and the River Ouse in Yorkshire reached its highest level since the 1600s. Many river catchments were subjected to multiple flood events, especially in south-east England.

Two areas were particularly hard hit. In mid-October, large areas of Kent and Sussex were left underwater as rivers such as the Ouse at Lewes (East Sussex), the Uck at Uckfield (East Sussex) and the Medway at Tonbridge (Kent) burst their banks. Hundreds of homes and businesses were flooded to a depth of several feet, floodwater and landslips closed roads and rail travellers faced widespread delays and cancellations.

By early November, it was the turn of Yorkshire, with flood warnings on the Ouse and its tributaries such as the Derwent and Aire. On the 4th, the River Ouse at York was 5.3 m above its normal summer level and the associated flooding there was reported as the worst in 400 years of records; some 5000 properties were affected. Around this time there were similar scenes along the Severn, where water levels at Shrewsbury and Worcester were the highest since 1947.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climate/uk/interesting/autumn2000.html

 

 

Chiltern Blizzard
06 February 2014 07:04:42

Wettest winters on record for England and Wales

423.0 1914-15

420.9 1989-90

418.3 1876-77

415.6 1994-95

388.3 1993-94

380.6 1868-69

374.3 1959-60

373.5 1915-16

363.0 1965-66

362.0 1936-37

340.0 1976-77

337.2 1911-12

335.2 1978-79

332.8 2013-14 up to 4th February

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

I hadn't realised 1978/9 was quite so wet.... Quite a combination with the cold of that season!


Rendlesham, Suffolk 20m asl
Andy Woodcock
06 February 2014 08:08:25
Also in there is 1976/77 which was a cold, snowy winter with a notably snowy December although February was mild and also very wet particularly in the 2nd half when a sausage shaped low pressure persisted for nearly a week across the midlands as very cold continental air edged slowly south across Scotland.

Andy


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Penrith

Cumbria

Altitude 535 feet

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Hungry Tiger
06 February 2014 08:59:00

Wettest winters on record for England and Wales 423.0 1914-15 420.9 1989-90 418.3 1876-77 415.6 1994-95 388.3 1993-94 380.6 1868-69 374.3 1959-60 373.5 1915-16 363.0 1965-66 362.0 1936-37 340.0 1976-77 337.2 1911-12 335.2 1978-79 332.8 2013-14 up to 4th February

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

90mm to go.

 

 


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Hungry Tiger
06 February 2014 20:35:33

I bet today narrowed the gap somewhat towards the all time wettest winter.

 


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KevBrads1
07 February 2014 05:35:09
Wettest winters on record for England and Wales

423.0 1914-15

420.9 1989-90

418.3 1876-77

415.6 1994-95

388.3 1993-94

380.6 1868-69

374.3 1959-60

373.5 1915-16

363.0 1965-66

362.0 1936-37

340.8 2013-14 up to 5th Feb.


MANCHESTER SUMMER INDEX for 2021: 238

Timelapses, old weather forecasts and natural phenomena videos can be seen on this site

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgrSD1BwFz2feWDTydhpEhQ/playlists

Hungry Tiger
07 February 2014 10:00:51

Wettest winters on record for England and Wales 423.0 1914-15 420.9 1989-90 418.3 1876-77 415.6 1994-95 388.3 1993-94 380.6 1868-69 374.3 1959-60 373.5 1915-16 363.0 1965-66 362.0 1936-37 340.8 2013-14 up to 5th Feb.

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

Last night will have added a big chunk to that lot.

 


Gavin S. FRmetS.

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Chiltern Blizzard
10 February 2014 13:33:08

I'm guessing we're a fair bit higher on this list now.... and by the weekend will be nearing the top!

I would update it but I'm not sure where to find this data.

Andrew


Rendlesham, Suffolk 20m asl
RobN
  • RobN
  • Advanced Member
10 February 2014 14:28:50

I'm guessing we're a fair bit higher on this list now.... and by the weekend will be nearing the top!

I would update it but I'm not sure where to find this data.

Andrew

Originally Posted by: Chiltern Blizzard 

This thread doesn't make it clear, but I assume this is the Hadley 1766 series, which you can find here


Rob

In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.

Saint Snow
10 February 2014 14:48:00

Wettest winters on record for England and Wales
423.0 1914-15
420.9 1989-90
418.3 1876-77
415.6 1994-95
388.3 1993-94
380.6 1868-69
374.3 1959-60
373.5 1915-16
363.0 1965-66
362.0 1936-37
340.8 2013-14 up to 5th Feb.

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

 

I don't know whether you've got regionalised data, but [and I'll say this quietly], it doesn't seem to have been *that* wet a winter in these parts. I can certainly remember winters, even in recent years, that seemed a fair bit wetter. I cross the Glaze Brook every day on the M62 and it's not even threatened the top of the bank. Similarly, I walk over the Medlock in Manchester most days and that's rarely been above normal (and even then only just above normal)

I think there was a Met Office graphic map that illustrated this well (to the e/o Jan)


Martin

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speckledjim
10 February 2014 14:57:23

Wettest winters on record for England and Wales
423.0 1914-15
420.9 1989-90
418.3 1876-77
415.6 1994-95
388.3 1993-94
380.6 1868-69
374.3 1959-60
373.5 1915-16
363.0 1965-66
362.0 1936-37
340.8 2013-14 up to 5th Feb.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

 

I don't know whether you've got regionalised data, but [and I'll say this quietly], it doesn't seem to have been *that* wet a winter in these parts. I can certainly remember winters, even in recent years, that seemed a fair bit wetter. I cross the Glaze Brook every day on the M62 and it's not even threatened the top of the bank. Similarly, I walk over the Medlock in Manchester most days and that's rarely been above normal (and even then only just above normal)

I think there was a Met Office graphic map that illustrated this well (to the e/o Jan)

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

I agree, it hasn't been particularly wet in my part of West Yorkshire - we are protected by the Peninnes so we are drier than further west.


Thorner, West Yorkshire



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RobN
  • RobN
  • Advanced Member
10 February 2014 15:08:36

Wettest winters on record for England and Wales
423.0 1914-15
420.9 1989-90
418.3 1876-77
415.6 1994-95
388.3 1993-94
380.6 1868-69
374.3 1959-60
373.5 1915-16
363.0 1965-66
362.0 1936-37
340.8 2013-14 up to 5th Feb.

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

 

I don't know whether you've got regionalised data, but [and I'll say this quietly], it doesn't seem to have been *that* wet a winter in these parts. I can certainly remember winters, even in recent years, that seemed a fair bit wetter. I cross the Glaze Brook every day on the M62 and it's not even threatened the top of the bank. Similarly, I walk over the Medlock in Manchester most days and that's rarely been above normal (and even then only just above normal)

I think there was a Met Office graphic map that illustrated this well (to the e/o Jan)

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

I've not seen a cumulative actual for winter to date yet, but the individual completed months are available:

Dec 2013

Jan 2014


Rob

In the flatlands of South Cambridgeshire 15m ASL.

lanky
10 February 2014 15:16:04

Wettest winters on record for England and Wales
423.0 1914-15
420.9 1989-90
418.3 1876-77
415.6 1994-95
388.3 1993-94
380.6 1868-69
374.3 1959-60
373.5 1915-16
363.0 1965-66
362.0 1936-37
340.8 2013-14 up to 5th Feb.

Originally Posted by: RobN 

 

I don't know whether you've got regionalised data, but [and I'll say this quietly], it doesn't seem to have been *that* wet a winter in these parts. I can certainly remember winters, even in recent years, that seemed a fair bit wetter. I cross the Glaze Brook every day on the M62 and it's not even threatened the top of the bank. Similarly, I walk over the Medlock in Manchester most days and that's rarely been above normal (and even then only just above normal)

I think there was a Met Office graphic map that illustrated this well (to the e/o Jan)

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

I've not seen a cumulative actual for winter to date yet, but the individual completed months are available:

Dec 2013

Jan 2014

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

Kevin is getting day by day updates as they happen (like you can get for month-to-date CET) - I'd love to know where these are kept


Martin

Richmond, Surrey

KevBrads1
11 February 2014 05:45:41
Wettest winters on record for England and Wales

423.0 1914-15

420.9 1989-90

418.3 1876-77

415.6 1994-95

388.3 1993-94

380.6 1868-69

374.3 1959-60

373.5 1915-16

372.8 2013-14 up to 9th Feb


MANCHESTER SUMMER INDEX for 2021: 238

Timelapses, old weather forecasts and natural phenomena videos can be seen on this site

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgrSD1BwFz2feWDTydhpEhQ/playlists

UncleAlbert
11 February 2014 08:03:13

Wettest winters on record for England and Wales 423.0 1914-15 420.9 1989-90 418.3 1876-77 415.6 1994-95 388.3 1993-94 380.6 1868-69 374.3 1959-60 373.5 1915-16 372.8 2013-14 up to 9th Feb

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

Looking like No 1 by the weekend then.

So unfortunately this thread will no longer be about 1914-15.

KevBrads1
11 February 2014 08:40:37
Wettest seasons on record for England and Wales: W for winter, S for summer, A for autumn

A 502.7 2000

A 455.8 1852

A 438.6 1960

A 424.1 1935

W 423.0 1914-15

W 420.9 1989-90

W 418.3 1876-77

W 415.6 1994-95

S 409.7 1912

S 409.2 1879

A 402.4 1770

A 400.6 1772

A 399.1 1875

A 398.7 1768

A 396.9 1799

A 396.8 1976

S 396.3 1829

A 394.3 1872

A 391.1 1903

W 388.3 1993-94

A 387.9 1825

A 384.6 1841

W 380.6 1868-69

A 379.1 1880

A 378.9 1773

A 378.1 1954

A 377.9 1974

A 377.8 1794

A 377.5 1944

W 374.3 1959-60

S 375.2 2012

W 373.5 1915-16

W 372.8 2013-14 up to 9th Feb


MANCHESTER SUMMER INDEX for 2021: 238

Timelapses, old weather forecasts and natural phenomena videos can be seen on this site

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCgrSD1BwFz2feWDTydhpEhQ/playlists

lanky
11 February 2014 09:50:35

Kevin is getting day by day updates as they happen (like you can get for month-to-date CET) - I'd love to know where these are kept

Originally Posted by: lanky 

I think I located them (and other interesting stats too):

http://www.met.reading.ac.uk/~brugge/CURR.html

To get a UK average it's quite easy to copy and paste the data in this table into Excel and take an average of the rainfall column (52.2mm up to 10th Feb)

 


Martin

Richmond, Surrey

Hungry Tiger
11 February 2014 13:01:37

Cheers Kevin - thanks for the latest stats there.


Gavin S. FRmetS.

TWO Moderator.

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South Cambridgeshire. 93 metres or 302.25 feet ASL.



Hungry Tiger
11 February 2014 13:01:53

Wettest seasons on record for England and Wales: W for winter, S for summer, A for autumn A 502.7 2000 A 455.8 1852 A 438.6 1960 A 424.1 1935 W 423.0 1914-15 W 420.9 1989-90 W 418.3 1876-77 W 415.6 1994-95 S 409.7 1912 S 409.2 1879 A 402.4 1770 A 400.6 1772 A 399.1 1875 A 398.7 1768 A 396.9 1799 A 396.8 1976 S 396.3 1829 A 394.3 1872 A 391.1 1903 W 388.3 1993-94 A 387.9 1825 A 384.6 1841 W 380.6 1868-69 A 379.1 1880 A 378.9 1773 A 378.1 1954 A 377.9 1974 A 377.8 1794 A 377.5 1944 W 374.3 1959-60 S 375.2 2012 W 373.5 1915-16 W 372.8 2013-14 up to 9th Feb

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

 

Thanks Kevin.


Gavin S. FRmetS.

TWO Moderator.

Contact the TWO team - [email protected]

South Cambridgeshire. 93 metres or 302.25 feet ASL.



Hungry Tiger
11 February 2014 13:02:22

Wettest winters on record for England and Wales 423.0 1914-15 420.9 1989-90 418.3 1876-77 415.6 1994-95 388.3 1993-94 380.6 1868-69 374.3 1959-60 373.5 1915-16 372.8 2013-14 up to 9th Feb

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

 


Gavin S. FRmetS.

TWO Moderator.

Contact the TWO team - [email protected]

South Cambridgeshire. 93 metres or 302.25 feet ASL.



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