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glenogle
10 October 2013 17:16:34

The page i linked to has either been updated or i misread it.  I am sure it has been updated.  It now reads as below. (It is the underlined bit i think has changed)  Who the hell is UK Weather Forecast???

Forecasters give shovels warning

 

FORECASTERS have warned Scots to have their shovels at the ready this winter.

UK Weather Forecast has predicted a pattern of high pressure from December.


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Steve Murr
10 October 2013 20:45:34

Anyone seen maddens forecast...

 

LOL. The most fantastic ever snow forecast for the UK written by the least credible person on the internet. second only to Melanie.

Snowfan
10 October 2013 21:07:49

My parents had a man from British Gas come to check their gas heating today, and they were told by him that the winter is expected to be very cold... so I guess the people at the top have been warned.... 


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Gooner
10 October 2013 22:28:28

My parents had a man from British Gas come to check their gas heating today, and they were told by him that the winter is expected to be very cold... so I guess the people at the top have been warned.... 

Originally Posted by: Snowfan 

That is beacuse he lives next door to YD


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Steam Fog
10 October 2013 22:28:42

[quote=glenogle;539005] Stumbled across this "met office" prediction today. Not sure where it has been lifed from, but may be a direct quote from Transport Scotland's Meto Rep. http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/how-super-gritters-aim-to-beat-snow-and-icy-roads-1-3131051 Meto forecasting blocked december and being colder than average.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

Judging by the way the Met Office now seems determined to restrict the contents of its seasonal forecasts to a select few, I reckon Dale Miller should avoid long walks and check under his car regularly.

Originally Posted by: Steam Fog 

Yeah it outrageous. They've only gone and restricted it those people with access to the internet. The swine. http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/publicsector/contingency-planners[/quote]

In summary, and in probability speak, it says what many of us say at this range.
In other words, no one has a scooby LOL.

Originally Posted by: some faraway beach 

Sure, but to imply the Met Office are in some way "determined to restrict the contents... to a select few" when it's clearly there to be found on the internet is misleading, incorrect and unfair. It would be foolish to over promote something which they make clear is pretty speculative, but it's there, not hidden, for all to find and it seems a shame to imply it is anything otherwise.

Gooner
11 October 2013 16:51:54

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/run3/cfsnh-0-2046.png?12

J F F  J F F   J F F  

 

Nice Easterly for the start of the year


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Gavin P
13 October 2013 09:28:04

Hi all,

Here's the third winter 13/14 round-up video;

http://www.gavsweathervids.com

Again looking at solar, SST's, snow cover and so on.

Enjoy it.


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moomin75
13 October 2013 10:04:14

Hi all,

Here's the third winter 13/14 round-up video;

http://www.gavsweathervids.com

Again looking at solar, SST's, snow cover and so on.

Enjoy it.

Originally Posted by: Gavin P 

Great work Gav.

Tentative signs favouring a more zonal-type winter then? That is pretty ironic a day after the Express said we are all about to freeze for months on end.

 


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Gavin P
13 October 2013 11:24:24

 Actualy I'd say it's about 50/50 between favouring cold or mild this winter.

It's a very, very hard winter to call this one.


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Matty H
13 October 2013 11:29:55
I would say at this stage that the statistically probability of any one particular type of winter are exactly the same as they are every single year.
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pdiddy
13 October 2013 11:35:03

I would say at this stage that the statistically probability of any one particular type of winter are exactly the same as they are every single year.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

I broadly accept that Matty, but if we were to consider:

- cluster of colder winters recently;

- meanderings of the jet stream all year and lots of blocking; and

- relatively low sunspot activity

then it may be contested that a colder than average is favoured.  Doesn't mean it will happen, but it may tip the balance a tad...

Gooner
13 October 2013 12:13:05

Hi all,

Here's the third winter 13/14 round-up video;

http://www.gavsweathervids.com

Again looking at solar, SST's, snow cover and so on.

Enjoy it.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

Great work Gav.

Tentative signs favouring a more zonal-type winter then? That is pretty ironic a day after the Express said we are all about to freeze for months on end.

 

Originally Posted by: Gavin P 

Which means brollies and wellies ....................great


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nickl
13 October 2013 12:25:19

good lord - have i stumbled onto one of netweather's dross threads about cold ??  perspective fellas !!!   its too early to have any kind of decent punt. give it till the end of october at least and then we can have a look at more of the influences - especially strat conditions.

good video gav.

Gavin P
13 October 2013 14:12:23

good lord - have i stumbled onto one of netweather's dross threads about cold ??  perspective fellas !!!   its too early to have any kind of decent punt. give it till the end of october at least and then we can have a look at more of the influences - especially strat conditions.

good video gav.

Originally Posted by: nickl 

Thanks.

I think even at November it's going to be a very hard call this year.


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KevBrads1
13 October 2013 14:15:43

 Actualy I'd say it's about 50/50 between favouring cold or mild this winter.

It's a very, very hard winter to call this one.

Originally Posted by: Gavin P 

Isn't there a finite chance that it could be just average?


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Gavin P
13 October 2013 14:17:58

 Actualy I'd say it's about 50/50 between favouring cold or mild this winter.

It's a very, very hard winter to call this one.

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 



Isn't there a finite chance that it could be just average?

Originally Posted by: Gavin P 

Yes.

So lets say it's 40% cold 40% mild and 10% average! Better?


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glenogle
13 October 2013 14:41:05

 Actualy I'd say it's about 50/50 between favouring cold or mild this winter.

It's a very, very hard winter to call this one.

Originally Posted by: Gavin P 



Isn't there a finite chance that it could be just average?

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

Yes.

So lets say it's 40% cold 40% mild and 10% average! Better?

Originally Posted by: Gavin P 

Is the other 10% split at the extreme end?


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Gooner
13 October 2013 14:42:40

Hi all,

Here's the third winter 13/14 round-up video;

http://www.gavsweathervids.com

Again looking at solar, SST's, snow cover and so on.

Enjoy it.

Originally Posted by: Gavin P 

Just sat and watched this , anyone's guess really isn't it, liked the chat on QBO, clearly shows a Westerly QBO can be a cold winter and an Easterly can be a mild one. Not sure ( as you say) that is a good method to  forecast by .

 

Cheers Gav


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Gooner
13 October 2013 15:04:30

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/cfs/run3/cfsnh-0-2034.png?12

 

JFF JFF JFF

 

A nice Easterly at the start the New Year

 


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Gavin P
13 October 2013 15:15:34

 Actualy I'd say it's about 50/50 between favouring cold or mild this winter.

It's a very, very hard winter to call this one.

Originally Posted by: glenogle 



Isn't there a finite chance that it could be just average?

Originally Posted by: Gavin P 

Yes.

So lets say it's 40% cold 40% mild and 10% average! Better?

Originally Posted by: KevBrads1 

Is the other 10% split at the extreme end?

Originally Posted by: Gavin P 

Yes.


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Matty H
13 October 2013 15:27:24

I would say at this stage that the statistically probability of any one particular type of winter are exactly the same as they are every single year.

Originally Posted by: pdiddy 

I broadly accept that Matty, but if we were to consider:

- cluster of colder winters recently;

- meanderings of the jet stream all year and lots of blocking; and

- relatively low sunspot activity

then it may be contested that a colder than average is favoured.  Doesn't mean it will happen, but it may tip the balance a tad...

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

I don't accept that. If you flick a coin and it lands on heads 5 times in a row, the statistical probability of the next flip being either heads or tails remains exactly the same as it was on the very first flip. There's no evidence whatsoever to suggest a few colder winters in a row means this winter is likely to be one as well. Think of the last few cold winters as being the coin that fell heads several times in succession. Such a minuscule sample doesn't affect the average probability.

All options of course remain on the table, but at this stage the probability of one type of winter or another has to be exactly the same as it is every single year.


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idj20
13 October 2013 15:31:55

I would say at this stage that the statistically probability of any one particular type of winter are exactly the same as they are every single year.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

I broadly accept that Matty, but if we were to consider:

- cluster of colder winters recently;

- meanderings of the jet stream all year and lots of blocking; and

- relatively low sunspot activity

then it may be contested that a colder than average is favoured.  Doesn't mean it will happen, but it may tip the balance a tad...

Originally Posted by: pdiddy 



I don't accept that. If you flick a coin and it lands on heads 5 times in a row, the statistical probability of the next flip being either heads or tails remains exactly the same as it was on the very first flip. There's no evidence whatsoever to suggest a few colder winters in a row means this winter is likely to be one as well. Think of the last few cold winters as being the coin that fell heads several times in succession. Such a minuscule sample doesn't affect the average probability.

All options of course remain on the table, but at this stage the probability of one type of winter or another has to be exactly the same as it is every single year.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



You know, Matt. That makes a lot of sense. I may "borrow" that thinking for my Cloud Master page if that's alright with you.


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Gooner
13 October 2013 15:34:26

in other words 50/50 , we wont have a clue until we are in spring .

Luck of the draw I say.................depending on which side of the fence you sit on


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Gooner
13 October 2013 15:35:43

I would say at this stage that the statistically probability of any one particular type of winter are exactly the same as they are every single year.

Originally Posted by: idj20 

I broadly accept that Matty, but if we were to consider:

- cluster of colder winters recently;

- meanderings of the jet stream all year and lots of blocking; and

- relatively low sunspot activity

then it may be contested that a colder than average is favoured.  Doesn't mean it will happen, but it may tip the balance a tad...

Originally Posted by: Matty H 



I don't accept that. If you flick a coin and it lands on heads 5 times in a row, the statistical probability of the next flip being either heads or tails remains exactly the same as it was on the very first flip. There's no evidence whatsoever to suggest a few colder winters in a row means this winter is likely to be one as well. Think of the last few cold winters as being the coin that fell heads several times in succession. Such a minuscule sample doesn't affect the average probability.

All options of course remain on the table, but at this stage the probability of one type of winter or another has to be exactly the same as it is every single year.

Originally Posted by: pdiddy 



You know, Matt. That makes a lot of sense. I may "borrow" that thinking for my Cloud Master page if that's alright with you.

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

I think you will find there might be a fee for that


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Matty H
13 October 2013 15:36:34
Borrow away, mate 😛

It's just basic maths and probability. Until forecasting advances enough - if it ever does - that we can link current patterns definitively to future patterns, then you can only use basic probability linked to the average. As it stands we only have very contentious links like the warm, dry October etc.


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