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The Beast from the East
20 December 2025 10:27:46
https://modeles16.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/run/gfs-0-198.png?6 

hopefully the 06z will have a faster retrogression, but I dont like the way our high sinks first,  giving the chance of the jet to power over and collapse the whole party


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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scillydave
20 December 2025 10:27:59

I'd put my house on there being no snow. Even BBC weather (Sarah Keith Lucas) has said pretty much no chance.

Yes it will be cold and seasonal for a change, and I agree it could be more interesting after Christmas, but that's way out in FI and definitely not certain by any stretch.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

I'll take that bet Moomin - unless you're referring to snow falling over your house of course - that's as likely as a winter without Moomin Gloom 😉

Joking aside it does look increasingly likely that we'll see some snow falling somewhere in the South of the UK over Christmas day. That in itself is a rare event these days and definitely something to feel a bit of festive cheer about I think.


Currently living at roughly 65m asl North of Cowbridge in the Vale of Glamorgan.

Formerly of, Birdlip, highest village in the Cotswolds and snow heaven in winter; Hawkinge in Kent - roof of the South downs and Isles of Scilly, paradise in the UK.

The Beast from the East
20 December 2025 10:31:25

I think the last white Christmas in London was in 1999. One of the all time classics:

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

LOL, we had nothing here, but a technical white christmas means one flake needs to fall on weather centre.  At least it was cold that year. I remember visiting Blair's Millennium Dome around that time. What a monstrosity that was before it was turned into a concert venue


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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jhall
20 December 2025 10:36:57

Welcome back, hope you are feeling better.  I was to young to remember 81.  In fact I dont even remember when we last had a cold Xmas day, Perhaps 1995 or 6 

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

2010, surely.


Cranleigh, Surrey
Downpour
20 December 2025 10:41:27

Output looks almost boringly consistent this morning to me. HP building, some kind of initial chilly/cold push/waft from the east, maybe the chance of some well timed snow flurries before HP repositions initially leading to less mild 850s (may well still be chilly at the surface) before a decent chance of a renewed cold push. As Darren mentioned the other day it's those secondary cold pushes that seem to have mostly vanished from our colder spells, would make a pleasant change if it verified! The caution obviously being the HP tried to reposition, jet fires up over the top and all that promise disappears over a few runs.

ECM ens set is amusing this morning IMO - better agreement on colder air than preceding days efforts (not universal of course) but at least initially a pretty meh op in terms of colder uppers, even if still chilly to cold at the surface at times. Worth noting there's much better agreement in the ens for a brief hit of colder uppers 24th or 25th, so the op is a bit isolated in the suite FWIW. 

In terms of the main models and focusing on Xmas day with an unashamedly IMBY bias we get the below. ECM op (see above) continues to be crucially a bit further south with everything, so no colder pool hitting the UK for the Xmas period but still widely cold, the other 3 contrive to time things perfectly to bring that little cold pool over MBY and generate some precip at the same time. The cynic in me says it's unlikely to work out as well but it's modelled so you never know!

Snow on UKMO, with midday temps around 0c for me. 

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GFS, snow, maxes around 3c 

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GEM, snow, midday temps around 0c

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ECM, dry, midday temps around 3c

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Originally Posted by: Hippydave 

Great charts for the SE! About a third of the UK population under the snow band. Anyone complaining about the output now should recall the recent Christmases where our old friend Uncle Barty arrived on Christmas Eve and settled in until the New Year.


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nsrobins
20 December 2025 10:43:15

2010, surely.

Originally Posted by: jhall 

On the ground yes, but falling I don’t think so. Technical has to be snow falling.


Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

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Bertwhistle
20 December 2025 10:47:30
A subtle reminder for me about how quickly the GFS ENS can change. For a number of runs previous it looked like the mean London 850mb temperature from about 27th-29th was fixed at or below -5°C and the lowest stretch in the run. This morning's 0z has the mean for the same dates hugging the LTA and presenting as the highest stretch in the run. 

Still a week out of course.


Bertie, Itchen Valley.

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idj20
20 December 2025 10:48:00
Just seen the model outputs showing a small pool of -8 C to -12 C uppers and some instability brushing over Kent under an easterly airflow on the big day.

Me with Christmas Day to mind  . . . 

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But of course it's 5 days away and think once again elevation is key and the seas surrounding my county are unusually warm for time of year, my low level coastal location never do well out of marginal set ups but all needs is a single snowflake observed to class it as a White Christmas.


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Bertwhistle
20 December 2025 10:49:10
I wonder if we might end up with snow virga with low RH and a fair breeze drying up anything light that falls.

Do flakes have to reach the deck or just be seen to fall for an official WC?


Bertie, Itchen Valley.

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doctormog
20 December 2025 10:50:10
Another enticing GFS op run in the FI section too as we head into the new year.
Ally Pally Snowman
20 December 2025 10:53:49
Another massive Greenland HP on the GFS 6z.  
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
jhall
20 December 2025 11:00:27

On the ground yes, but falling I don’t think so. Technical has to be snow falling.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

But the OP was referring to having a cold Christmas Day, not to snow, and 2010 was undeniably cold.


Cranleigh, Surrey
Heavy Weather 2013
20 December 2025 11:11:58

always the risk it will end up further south or nothing at all as ECM suggests.  So I am not allowing myself to get excited. Of course parts of media and Nathan Rao at GBeebies clearly reads netweather and they are going beserk about it 

Originally Posted by: The Beast from the East 

You should be excited, I’m going west for Christmas for the first time in three years and of course I will likely miss out. It’s just bound to happen now.


Mark

Beckton, E London

Less than 500m from the end of London City Airport runway.

The Beast from the East
20 December 2025 11:33:26

I'd put my house on there being no snow. Even BBC weather (Sarah Keith Lucas) has said pretty much no chance.

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

At least it wasnt Darren Bett.  Shame Rob McElwee is not around anymore.  He would have loved this 


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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The Beast from the East
20 December 2025 11:36:53

2010, surely.

Originally Posted by: jhall 

yes, thats true but it was the last remnants of that memorable spell and the snow had all but melted here by then. just some patches.  Of course, that was it for that season.  the previous winter 09/10 was better as we had cold spells throughout.


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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The Beast from the East
20 December 2025 11:48:06

It will come as a real shock to the system, and (not to put the mockers on it) I've already warned my friends 

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Even if we miss out on Xmas snow, it will still feel bitter compared to what we have got used to.  Feb 2018 Beast was the last time.  I'm pleased I got my 1970s cast iron boiler replaced this summer.   It was still working but making some noises. At least I dont need to worry about keeping heating on for long periods now


Purley, Surrey, 70m ASL

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CField
20 December 2025 11:55:42
Not going to take the end of gfs 06z run too seriously...its the strongest block for 45 years lol
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nsrobins
20 December 2025 11:59:45
P13

Stat 😉👍


Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

Stormchaser, Member TORRO

Rob K
20 December 2025 12:13:40

Not going to take the end of gfs 06z run too seriously...its the strongest block for 45 years lol

Originally Posted by: CField 

Yes GFS just collapses the block and goes a bit weird in the far reaches. One for the bin I think. 


Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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tallyho_83
20 December 2025 12:16:28
The 00z mean for 29th for LOndon at 850hpa showed -2.0c

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/show_diagrams.php?geoid=49069&model=gfs&var=2&run=00&lid=ENS&bw=1 

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Where as the 06z mean on 29th for London @ 850hpa is -5.9c

-https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/show_diagrams.php?geoid=49069&model=gfs&var=2&run=0&lid=ENS&bw=1 

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Quite a flip to cold despite the milder OP run in medium range which shows the uncertainty still.


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Rob K
20 December 2025 12:18:27
Just looking at the GEFS tables on the 6Z and see that no fewer than 7 members hit -10C at 850mb in London on Xmas Eve and/or Xmas Day. Quite impressive at this range. 
Yateley, NE Hampshire, 73m asl

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Brian Gaze
20 December 2025 12:18:42
AIGFS keeps some sort of block in place.

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Brian Gaze
20 December 2025 12:22:04
Interesting range of solutions on New Year's Day. This is the full set.

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Brian Gaze

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squish
20 December 2025 14:05:32
The models seem to be firming up on a very cold (relatively and also in reality) 48 hrs for the south especially from xmas eve until Boxing Day.  My app has a max of 0c xmas day and Boxing Day at my elevation with snow flurries. Whether or not it actually snows I think it looks like being very seasonal( in the traditional 'imagined' sense, rather than seasonality we have had in recent memory!)

After that it all looks very interesting but I wouldn't want to guess where its all going as the models are yo-yo-ing on where the main centre of the block will settle, but a major retrogression is definitely a possibility.

People are starting to pick up on to the rumours of snow, especially our guests coming from a long way for Christmas!  And I am driving to the NW highlands the outer Hebrides on the 29th so there is plenty of weather to keep an eye on!


D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
moomin75
20 December 2025 15:32:20
ICON 12z first out of the blocks and it paints a completely BONE DRY easterly with not a speck of precipitation wintry or otherwise.

I reckon my house will be safe if the other models follow suit. But at least we can dry out a bit!


Witney, Oxfordshire

100m ASL

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