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Ally Pally Snowman
01 December 2025 06:47:18
Yes nice end to the GFS once again. AIFS not so good but a few of its ensembles go cold. Some hope!
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01 December 2025 07:07:03

Yes nice end to the GFS once again. AIFS not so good but a few of its ensembles go cold. Some hope!

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Agreed, the there is definitely something in the air, quite a change from only a few days ago. Nice to have something to focus on again. 


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Brian Gaze
01 December 2025 07:17:40
I think that December only needs to be about 1.5C above CET for 2025 to be the warmest in the series. The current model output suggests that's achievable. 
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01 December 2025 08:06:16
Today's charts:

FAX: LPs somewhere between mid-Atlantic and W Scotland all week, 960-980mb, and fronts crossing Britain all the while (no less than 4 separate frontal systems on Wednesday!)

GFS Op; similar to FAX (though a breakaway LP 985mb runs SE-wards past Cornwall on Thu) The procession of LPs continues to Thu 11th when the last LP in sequence crosses Scotland to join a Scandinavian LP, and in its wake a ridge of HP arises over Britain Fri 12th. That lasts until Tue 16th when it gets squeezed out between LPs 1005mb Baltic and a dartboard LP 945mb mid-Atlantic (a moot point whether the NE-lies from the former or S-lies from the latter win out).

ECM: Very much like GFS

AIFS: London, maxima mostly 10C, milder days around  Mon 8th and Sat 13th, rain in small amounts in most days. Edinburgh, similar trends in maxima but 8C rather than 10C, perhaps drier interludes Wed 3rd and Thu 11th. 

GEFS: mean temps near norm to Wed 17th, rain in most ens members on most days, in the S & W, less rain in the east, and possibly dry for a time this week in the far NE,  The spectacularly cold Op run noted yesterday is till there from Sat 13th but scaled back, though now accompanied by a couple of other ens members - and contradicted by a very mild control run.

The interest seems to focus on the week of Sun 14th: will the NE-lies prevail (Op run) or the SW-lies (control run)?


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Hippydave
01 December 2025 08:49:37

I think that December only needs to be about 1.5C above CET for 2025 to be the warmest in the series. The current model output suggests that's achievable. 

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Going just on IMBY stats I need Dec to come in at 6 or lower for my annual figure to be lower than last year. IMO the mid to long term has trended milder over the last day or two, from mostly average to above, so as you say re the CET generally, I'm going with a decent chance that I'll be warmer than last year.

Looking into deep FI on the GEFS there's obviously a very weak signal for blocking to set up somewhere favourable to colder weather for the UK, albeit most of the ens either stay unsettled or have HP in unfavourable positions and mild or very mild as a result.  ECM ens suggest something similar. 

I'm firmly in mild first half of December camp/mode at present, whether the little hints of cold after mid month strengthen TBC but gut feel says no this year. No idea why I'm lacking in optimism atm, just seems like the weather is in more of a zonal mood, versus last year where HP came back much sooner than the models initially showed. 


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Brian Gaze
01 December 2025 09:12:44
Just a quick reminder the the breakout thread is here:

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twocommunity/Posts/m1669105-Model-output-breakout-thread 


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BJBlake
01 December 2025 10:36:35
Delighted that the oft seen FI mirage of the Scandi High has maintained its presence in multiple runs now, which may be the beginning of a trend. Certainly the GFS does seem to spot these earlier than other models IMO, but not always of course. I have pasted in a link to the Metioceil GFS for week 2 - 00z, And this is worth discussion in the pub tonight over a virtual beer (or literal). Could be a rollercoaster ride ahead.  https://images.meteociel.fr/im/37/2069/animpfl1.gif


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Gandalf The White
01 December 2025 12:48:32
From the GFS 06z three runs from the ensemble suite deliver a cold air mass in the latter stages of the run: 4, 12 and 19
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warrenb
01 December 2025 13:05:41
Average is the word. I don't think I have ever seen the ECM ensemble so match the mean so closely.
Brian Gaze
01 December 2025 13:46:11

Average is the word. I don't think I have ever seen the ECM ensemble so match the mean so closely.

Originally Posted by: warrenb 

Not sure which period and location you're referring too, but the TWO London ECM ENS plot is above the average for much of the period.

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Brian Gaze
01 December 2025 19:08:21
Can comments about the Met Office seasonal forecast be kept in the media thread please:  

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twocommunity/Posts/t23883-Media-Thread-15th-January-2024-onwards 


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idj20
01 December 2025 22:40:30
Just had a skeg through the models with the 10th Dec light trail to mind and I remain cautiously optimistic for a comfortable enough evening with the camera. Still subject to change being 9 days away but I can sleep easy tonight. 🤣
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BJBlake
02 December 2025 00:26:56

Average is the word. I don't think I have ever seen the ECM ensemble so match the mean so closely.

Originally Posted by: warrenb 

Yes - the GFS FI eye candy was a mirage - of many over the years - the teasing straws of a cold incursion - like a Jacob Marley ghost of Christmases past. 


Brecklands, South Norfolk 28m ASL
The Beast from the East
02 December 2025 02:35:25

Yes - the GFS FI eye candy was a mirage - of many over the years - the teasing straws of a cold incursion - like a Jacob Marley ghost of Christmases past. 

Originally Posted by: BJBlake 

And sadly many allow themselves to get suckered because they want to believe it.  I guess that's why scammers and snake oil politicians are so successful.  We should be thankful that climate change for us is rather benign compared to what is happening in Asia, Africa and elsewhere. 


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Retron
02 December 2025 04:41:36
FWIW the ECM-45 weekly charts have been trending milder and milder over the past few runs - it now shows an exceptionally mild spell in the 2nd week of December, for example, with much of the south and SE under +3 to +6 anomalies. 

Or, in other words, normal service has been resumed. It's not too much of a surprise though as mentioned a few days ago, neither of the previous two November displacement SSWs led to much of note for us in the following weeks. 

https://charts.ecmwf.int/products/extended-anomaly-2t?base_time=202512010000&projection=opencharts_europe&valid_time=202512150000 


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BJBlake
02 December 2025 07:33:00
Well-well , the flip flop GFS has tossed in another FI blocked patten - From the 00z, this time supported by P‘s 4-6 11,12,15 & 16.  Of course P 15 is the real eye-candy run, but several place the high dragging in a warm SE wind, but blocking has potential for retrogression, and  inversion for some bright frosty fare - which is very much more pleasant than a raging Atlantic. FI watch for us straw clutches is on. 
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nsrobins
02 December 2025 07:52:56
And talking of straws, the fabled and most definitely JFF offering the CFS daily this morning is serving up a ‘47 style late winter with sub-zero maxima and blizzards into March 😂
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Brian Gaze
02 December 2025 08:49:36
There's quite a strong signal in the GEFS for pressure to rise in mid December. Here are the 2m temp postage stamps for 17 December. 

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02 December 2025 08:49:40
For the next fortnight, so less straw-like ...

FAX: Current LP 986mb NW Scotland replaced on Thu by another and then on Fri by yet another 969mb off W Ireland - and yet another winding up off Newfoundland on Sat, all pushing fronts and troughs across Britain from the SW.

GFS Op: As Fax, and continues the procession of LPs: that from Newfoundland pushes a small disturbance ahead 970mb W Scotland Sun 7th before the main LP arrives 965mb Rockall Wed 10th. This splits with one part off to Norway and the other crossing England 980mb Fri 12th. The next LP stalls off Ireland as pressure rises over the N Sea Sun 14th and strengthens 1045mb S Norway Thu 18th while the LP slides S-wards to Spain generating E/SE-ly winds for England.

ECM: Like GFS but does not split on Wed 10th, instead rather more of a smeared out are of LP stretching from Scotland to N Spain. Rather than moving S to Spain this area drifts E-wards and pressure over Britain rises from the S rather than the east Wed 17th.

AIFS: London, maxima 9-10C but milder (13C) Mon 8th and Tue 16th, rain at frequent intervals, perhaps drier later. Edinburgh, maxima about 7C with brief milder periods as for London (Tue 16th, 13C !), rain mostly w/b Thu 4th, dry-ish later

GEFS: mean temp slightly below norm at first, then a degree or two above with quite good ens agreement (the remarkably cold outliers shown during the last couple of days have disappeared). Rain in many runs on many days, heaviest in the west.

The repetitive unsettled theme is much in evidence today, with less support for E/NE-lies from Scandinavia than shown previously - yes it's  still there in the GFS Op but ECM and the majority of ens members aren't co-operating. Back to the drawing board!


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02 December 2025 09:06:33

Well-well , the flip flop GFS has tossed in another FI blocked patten - From the 00z, this time supported by P‘s 4-6 11,12,15 & 16.  Of course P 15 is the real eye-candy run, but several place the high dragging in a warm SE wind, but blocking has potential for retrogression, and  inversion for some bright frosty fare - which is very much more pleasant than a raging Atlantic. FI watch for us straw clutches is on. 

Originally Posted by: BJBlake 

Blocking with a very small 'b' IMO; only P15 takes advantage of a decline in the advance of Atlantic LPs to produce anything of a serious easterly influence


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Saint Snow
02 December 2025 09:48:35

Well-well , the flip flop GFS has tossed in another FI blocked patten - From the 00z, this time supported by P‘s 4-6 11,12,15 & 16.  Of course P 15 is the real eye-candy run, but several place the high dragging in a warm SE wind, but blocking has potential for retrogression, and  inversion for some bright frosty fare - which is very much more pleasant than a raging Atlantic. FI watch for us straw clutches is on. 

Originally Posted by: BJBlake 

Well it's blocking, I guess. But on the Op at least, it's not at all well-positioned, and it's not a cold feed.

I'm getting pretty disheartened now. Run after run across all models is showing a lot of blocking over the Arctic - but not in the specific place we want it to be. Meanwhile, high pressure over the continent is also largely aligned wrong for us (oh look, cold air reaching Greece...😒), leaving most MO showing a spell of weather for the first half of December that's dominated by low pressure stuck over us (hemmed in on all sides).


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David M Porter
02 December 2025 10:12:52

There's quite a strong signal in the GEFS for pressure to rise in mid December. Here are the 2m temp postage stamps for 17 December. 

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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Given how wet it has been recently and looks likely to be over the coming week or so, I think many people will be hoping the suggestions of a drier spell as is being suggested in some model runs will come to pass even if it isn't especially cold. We could certainly do with a drier spell here for one thing.


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Lionel Hutz
02 December 2025 12:08:39

Well it's blocking, I guess. But on the Op at least, it's not at all well-positioned, and it's not a cold feed.

I'm getting pretty disheartened now. Run after run across all models is showing a lot of blocking over the Arctic - but not in the specific place we want it to be. Meanwhile, high pressure over the continent is also largely aligned wrong for us (oh look, cold air reaching Greece...😒), leaving most MO showing a spell of weather for the first half of December that's dominated by low pressure stuck over us (hemmed in on all sides).

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

I no longer have much optimism about decent winter weather. However, I wouldn't worry too much about the current output, at least not yet. There's a decent signal for blocking. However, any blocking shown is 12 to 14 days away. So not only could the blocking be swept away before then, if it does arrive, there's plenty time for the details to change. When it's a conveyor belt of Atlantic weather, there's not much room for subtlety or variation. But relatively small changes to circulation can make big changes to temperature in a more blocked set up. As I say, I've lost most of my winter optimism but I wouldn't write things off yet.


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Brian Gaze
02 December 2025 12:54:15
I know we're supposed to be stoic, seasoned and realistic, but TBH, I'm disappointed with the output which is rolling out at the moment. Obviously it could change quickly, but at the moment I can't help wondering if it's a case of "here we go again".

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moomin75
02 December 2025 17:09:14

I know we're supposed to be stoic, seasoned and realistic, but TBH, I'm disappointed with the output which is rolling out at the moment. Obviously it could change quickly, but at the moment I can't help wondering if it's a case of "here we go again".

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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

If the 12z is to be believed, we are nailed on, not only for a record warm December, but a record warm CET year too. Some crazy temperatures being predicted for mid month, possibly 15-17c. Unbelievable. 


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