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The Beast from the East
20 May 2025 00:50:46
Those wishing for rain, I hope you're happy now, looks like the cricket season and general outdoor happiness is going to effed up for a while.  
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Matty H
20 May 2025 07:02:32
It’s ok. The ECM op has this nailed. High pressure back in charge by the end
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20 May 2025 07:41:45
WX temp chart shows Europe in week 1 generally cool, even cold by comparison with norm down towards Greece. In week 2, the temp remains below norm through much of central Europe while something much warmer moves north across France, just about reaching England, and also up through W Russia. Still freezing in Iceland and that area affecting Scandinavia. Rain fairly general across Europe for the next two weeks except S Spain and W Mediterranean.

GFS Op 0z; for this week Britain in a col between LP to east and west. Pressure rises briefly before the western LP develops south of Iceland 990mb with W-lies for Britain. Pressure remains fairly low around Britain with LPs running up from the south, so fairly warm, first 980mb  from mid-Atlantic some distance west of Ireland Thu 29th then from Spain reaching Brittany 1005mb Sun 1st.

ECM: similar to GFS but LP Mon 26th closer, near Shetland, and also nearer Ireland Thu 29th with some strong SW-lies as HP hangs on in the SE (which must have caught Matty's eye)

GEFS: mean temps not far from norm, dipping a little Fri 23rd and  (in the S)Tue 27th, then while most runs stay at norm with the mean, for the south coast the op goes off on a wild heat wave 10C above norm Sun 1st. (Scotland unaffected) Rain most probable around Sun 25th and Wed 28th , some in the south on 21st, but possible at any time anywhere after 23rd.


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20 May 2025 08:08:00

It’s ok. The ECM op has this nailed. High pressure back in charge by the end

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

GFS and ECM appear to have swapped. It's now the GFS Op showing a more widespread rainfest with torrential downpours in early June across some regions of the UK 


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warrenb
20 May 2025 08:35:31
I think we are going to get a repeat of the weather we have been having since end of February, two week breakdown then back to dry settled for prolonged time.
cultman1
20 May 2025 10:10:08
You may well be right especially looking at Brian’s latest temperature chart posting . I look forward to the forthcoming summer forecast 
Ally Pally Snowman
20 May 2025 11:48:37
Yep definitely some hints of heat as we approach June. 
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Saint Snow
20 May 2025 12:19:09
6z GFS piddles over any notion of the start of a new settled period 🤮

The 0z ECM does actually end nicely (extended)

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Chunky Pea
20 May 2025 12:22:37

6z GFS piddles over any notion of the start of a new settled period 🤮

The 0z ECM does actually end nicely (extended)

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Let's hope the ECM is right. We could really do with a well deserved settled spell now after this horrible rainy spring so far. 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

fairweather
20 May 2025 14:45:44

Let's hope the ECM is right. We could really do with a well deserved settled spell now after this horrible rainy spring so far. 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

Must be a microclimate where you are?

"In the context of 2025, it appears that Eire (Ireland) has had a very dry spring. Several sources indicate that the spring has been notably dry across much of the UK and Ireland, with Met Éireann reporting dry spells and even partial droughts in some locations. The Met Office states that spring 2025 could be one of the warmest and driest on record."

Admittedly this was google AI generated but I doubt it's far out.


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Saint Snow
20 May 2025 15:48:22

Must be a microclimate where you are?

"In the context of 2025, it appears that Eire (Ireland) has had a very dry spring. Several sources indicate that the spring has been notably dry across much of the UK and Ireland, with Met Éireann reporting dry spells and even partial droughts in some locations. The Met Office states that spring 2025 could be one of the warmest and driest on record."

Admittedly this was google AI generated but I doubt it's far out.

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

He was being sarcastic, mate


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Chunky Pea
20 May 2025 15:59:44

Must be a microclimate where you are?

"In the context of 2025, it appears that Eire (Ireland) has had a very dry spring. Several sources indicate that the spring has been notably dry across much of the UK and Ireland, with Met Éireann reporting dry spells and even partial droughts in some locations. The Met Office states that spring 2025 could be one of the warmest and driest on record."

Admittedly this was google AI generated but I doubt it's far out.

Originally Posted by: fairweather 

😂

I was being a bit glib. Day 23 without even a single drop of rain here. Some bubbling cumulus out there at the mo so maybe a shower might break out later to break the fast. 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

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20 May 2025 17:24:21

😂

I was being a bit glib. Day 23 without even a single drop of rain here. Some bubbling cumulus out there at the mo so maybe a shower might break out later to break the fast. 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

Given that some parts of W Ireland average 200+ days of rain each year, 23 days without any is indeed notable.


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Matty H
20 May 2025 19:50:48

6z GFS piddles over any notion of the start of a new settled period 🤮

The 0z ECM does actually end nicely (extended)

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Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

I tend to take about as much notice of the longer range GFS charts, now, as I do in the winter when pretty much every precipitation chart seems to have snow in it or a bullseye low pressure system -  None. 


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21 May 2025 07:51:00
WX site loading yesterday's charts.

GFS Op 0z; slack LP over Britain at the moment but pressure rises briefly from the SW before LP trundles down from Iceland introducing W-lies and arriving 985mb Shetland Mon 26th. HP returns to control British weather, 1025mb Channel Fri 30th, then new cell from the SW 1030mb Scotland Mon 2nd which drifts NE-wards with possible disturbance moving up from France Fri 6th. 

ECM: similar to GFS though the HP 30th is placed in the North Sea with SW-lies for western Britain,

GEM also similar but LP 26th a little further south with a more marked trough affecting all of Britain.

FAX: small tangle of fronts running along the south coast today, a standard cold front  moving rapidly across the whole country late Sat/early Sun under the influence of strong W-lies 

GEFS:  mean temp below norm to Thu 29th (brief rise on 25th, more pronounced in north) then progressively warmer though with less consistent support from ens members, op and control suggesting warm by Fri 6th esp in south (cf an earlier post from Brian). Most ens members predicting some rain around Sun 25th, bits and pieces at other times in different runs, more frequent and noticeable in N & W.


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Saint Snow
21 May 2025 09:37:57
ECM 0z - Unsettled/wet and miserable throughout the run.

GFS 0z - Starts to build high pressure from the south from next Wednesday. High inches northwards to settle over the UK for a few days before drifting around just to our east, bringing warm and dry weather.

Pretty much total opposites outcomes.


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Saint Snow
21 May 2025 12:43:35
GFS 6z keeps the broad theme of high pressure building from the south from around a week's time, before eventually centring over the UK - but progress to that end-point takes longer, due to the initial pressure build being less well aligned than the 0z, and lows able to track much closer to the north of the UK initially (spreading rain southwards over much of the country)

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CField
21 May 2025 17:12:19
Summer looking dodgy for the South West....are we set for a D Day spell of weather early June?
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Taylor1740
21 May 2025 17:48:56

Summer looking dodgy for the South West....are we set for a D Day spell of weather early June?

Originally Posted by: CField 

Hard to call at this stage GFS has been flipping for early June. Looking like it could be a North - South split with very warm but often wet conditions in the South and much cooler conditions in the North but could still be generally wet everywhere. I just hope we get some decent rainfall in my area over the next two weeks as it has been bone dry here for 3 months.


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Saint Snow
21 May 2025 17:58:14

GFS 6z keeps the broad theme of high pressure building from the south from around a week's time, before eventually centring over the UK - but progress to that end-point takes longer, due to the initial pressure build being less well aligned than the 0z, and lows able to track much closer to the north of the UK initially (spreading rain southwards over much of the country)

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

12z GFS a horror show. As Taylor says, very flippy-floppy output. I half expect the 12z ECM to mirror this morning's great GFS's.


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22 May 2025 07:17:43
WX unable to get itself sorted out and posting average temp charts from a couple of days ago.

GFS Op 00z: current HP hanging on for a couple of days before Britain's weather dictated by LP starting near Iceland and moving to Shetland Mon 26th 980mb with W-lies for all i.e. unsettled in north, fronts and troughs moving quickly across the south (see FAX). Then a pattern of LPs approaching Britain, pumping up warmth from the south often in association with HP towards the east; Fri 30th LP 990mb Rockall but HP 1025mb Dover; Fri 6th LP 1015mb Channel Islands (looks quite thundery for the S) but HP 1025mb Orkney/Norway. 

ECM; like GFS though the first LP is closest on 25th rather than 26th; and at the end (Fri 30th) Hp near Dover looks like expanding and staying around.

GEM; that end of the month HP does not persist and a thundery-looking LP starts to move up from France on Sun 1st

GEFS; temps swinging from cool to warm to cool and warm again before Wed 28th; then ens members spread out but generally 2 or 3C above norm in S, not as much in N, op run is warmer still in both. Spits and spots of rain in the south, more in the north but no consistent pattern. 


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23 May 2025 06:42:25
MetO rainfall prediction, significant features: bands of rain crossing the country tonight with some hang-back in W Scotland; more on Sat night, somewhat fragmented and heaviest in Scottish lowlands; then daytime Tue 27th becoming heavy later in the south of England and persisting overnight there. Showery rain in addition at any time in NW Scotland. This does not match the headline forecast from the MetO but is supported by FAX!

GFS Op 0 z; after today GFS switches to W-lies with troughs and ridges passing across Britain before swinging away NE-wards. LP never far from N Scotland; for  Britain as a whole troughs early and late Sat 24th and late Tue 27th, Sat 31st, Fri 6th, Sun 8th; HP briefly in first few days of June.

ECM; similar but the trough on Sat 31st not significant

GEFS; temps up, down and back to norm by Thu 29th; ens members then spread out but gradually warming trend for most. Rain tomorrow, then around the 27th, then persisting in the NW but in England  mostly dry for a while before becoming on and off from Wed 4th. 


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Ally Pally Snowman
23 May 2025 06:50:55
Models all flirting with some real heat in about a week / 10 days. Hopefully gets closer.
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Taylor1740
23 May 2025 07:49:27

Models all flirting with some real heat in about a week / 10 days. Hopefully gets closer.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Looking like a more mixed pattern with a few nice days then a wet day or 2 rather than the stuck patterns we often see now. Also signs of the Iberian heat dome starting to form after a rather mild spring so far round there.


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Lionel Hutz
23 May 2025 14:09:04
Regardless of the short to medium term outlook and regardless of how sunny/wet/dry/cloudy a summer we have, I think that a warmer than average one is now surely inevitable;

https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/blog/2025/uk-waters-gripped-by-prolonged-marine-heatwave 

It's hardly possible to have even an average summer with sea temperatures of this kind. 


Lionel Hutz

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