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Jiries
08 February 2025 13:11:07
Taking a look at Nicosia own cold spell is properly run and well maintained below average for a week long.  there 2 members going for -10C and 1 -9C which in my view more likely to come off than here which which showing some members below -10.  Lowest record for that region was -10C in early Feb 1950 while for SE was -21 or -22C in 1987?

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/show_diagrams.php?geoid=28552&model=gfs&var=201&run=6&lid=ENS&bw=1 

For here the widening scattering start from tomorow  show how poor to predict straight forward and to get week long cold runs like Nicosia getting. which would had been -10 to -12C here by now.  

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/show_diagrams.php?geoid=48656&model=gfs&var=201&run=6&lid=ENS&bw=1 

Right now is to either chase for sub -10C as soon as few days time not over 10 days away or see thei easterly cancelled and return to normal service with some sunshine, more frosty chances and some rain and average temps before heading to spring proper.

Chunky Pea
08 February 2025 13:25:04

Perhaps the current adjustment has not notice to anyone as now next 10 days is fully overcast wet, frostless, snowless and less cold temps.  Gone the sunny days expected later next week.  I truly hope Taylor rightfully negative post yesterday come true to get out of this pointless less cold easterly.   My knowledge that SE winds normally bring sharp clear skies and real cold are not happening.  My chase now is to get out of this set up asap.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 

I looked at the ECM raw temp forecast for Doncaster, a town whose climate I am well familar with, and they look very mediocre. Daytime temps around 6c and lows between 0 and -2c. This will feel penetratingly cold no doubt but this looks more like a persistent chilly spell that is barely below average rather than anything deeper than that. 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

nsrobins
08 February 2025 15:06:32
I know they change, but with the latest METO text outlook and the easing away from the colder ensemble options the momentum is shifting day 7-10 in favour of an Atlantic influence and away from a noteworthy easterly.


Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

Stormchaser, Member TORRO

nsrobins
08 February 2025 15:28:50
I’m not sure if it’s just variation in the envelope or not, but 12 ICON is an improvement on its 06 offering to be fair. 
Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

Stormchaser, Member TORRO

Hippydave
08 February 2025 15:44:30

I know they change, but with the latest METO text outlook and the easing away from the colder ensemble options the momentum is shifting day 7-10 in favour of an Atlantic influence and away from a noteworthy easterly.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

Which is ironic given they went cold when the models were showing a milder solution!

I'll wait and see what the 12z brings, the traffic before the 6z GEFS was a slow wander towards colder being not the favourite option (imo) but at least a strong possibility. Entirely possible the 6z is the start of a wander back, will see soon. 

I'd say the most notable thing about the 6z op was that HP was still in the picture at the end of the run. Unless that signal changes we're going to be looking at some runs picking a colder solution for a while yet, fluctuating with little tweaks to the jet etc.  


Home: Tunbridge Wells

Work: Tonbridge

Quantum
08 February 2025 16:02:41
Where is everyone? Upgrades so far on ICON, ARPEGE, UKMO and GFS!
25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

Jiries
08 February 2025 16:10:04

Where is everyone? Upgrades so far on ICON, ARPEGE, UKMO and GFS!

Originally Posted by: Quantum 

Perhaps no trust I remember Feb 10 was ear marked to start the proper deep cold before the dreaded push back and delays strike.   To get upgrade need to be 0hrs to max 12hrs,  

Quantum
08 February 2025 16:11:59

Perhaps no trust I remember Feb 10 was ear marked to start the proper deep cold before the dreaded push back and delays strike.   To get upgrade need to be 0hrs to max 12hrs,  

Originally Posted by: Jiries 

GFS seems to be worse now, that's annoying.

Everything else seems to be better though, and the GFS looks to get there eventually.


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

Hippydave
08 February 2025 16:28:41

GFS seems to be worse now, that's annoying.

Everything else seems to be better though, and the GFS looks to get there eventually.

Originally Posted by: Quantum 

Was wondering what you were looking at there.

I'm not convinced it's going to improve much post T207 either - HP ridge to the south getting in the way and stalling the cold push from the NE.


Home: Tunbridge Wells

Work: Tonbridge

squish
08 February 2025 16:33:57
GEM/UKMO/ICON great...GFS a bit in-between but same general pattern just not quite bingo!
D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
ballamar
08 February 2025 16:45:28
GFS not great, UKMO the pick for me

GFS could get there but pushed out in timeframe which is always a concern

Hippydave
08 February 2025 17:01:13

GFS not great, UKMO the pick for me

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

I'd agree with the UKMO pick. Being generally pessimistic when you look at all the charts around the T120 onwards point, the main cold pool out east ends up moving SW towards the med. That sticks us on the periphery, which might still be okay but given there's a southward sinking HP cell I'd expect the cold feed to be cut off and we end up chilly but hoping for a second push and the atlantic to play ball.

Nearly good but some work to do if it's more than a glance IMO.

Edit: GFS eventually shows the value of being able to stick in there, with a deep cold pool moving over us, albeit in deep FI. -14/-15 at 850 would be a touch chilly.


Home: Tunbridge Wells

Work: Tonbridge

ballamar
08 February 2025 17:17:49

I'd agree with the UKMO pick. Being generally pessimistic when you look at all the charts around the T120 onwards point, the main cold pool out east ends up moving SW towards the med. That sticks us on the periphery, which might still be okay but given there's a southward sinking HP cell I'd expect the cold feed to be cut off and we end up chilly but hoping for a second push and the atlantic to play ball.

Nearly good but some work to do if it's more than a glance IMO.

Edit: GFS eventually shows the value of being able to stick in there, with a deep cold pool moving over us, albeit in deep FI. -14/-15 at 850 would be a touch chilly.

Originally Posted by: Hippydave 

GFS ends up similar to 2018 - would settle for that

Retron
08 February 2025 17:21:36
I've seen worse day 8 means on GEFS! (And it's noticeably more easterly than the 6z offering).

https://images.meteociel.fr/im/65/28465/gens_31_1_192vye2.png 

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To be fair I'm not generally a fan of these mean charts - trying to average out SW'lies and NE'lies gets you nowhere - but when the signal is strong enough to skew the mean so strongly towards an easterly it's always worth paying attention.

EDIT: I didn't think to save the 6z day 8 chart, but here's the 12z (left) and 6z (right) day 9s - see what you think:

https://images.meteociel.fr/im/8/8688/gens_31_1_216zzt0.png 

https://images.meteociel.fr/im/95/11646/gens_31_1_228hdu6.png 

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Leysdown, north Kent
Snowedin3
08 February 2025 17:23:17
You got to it first Retron! Big upgrade in the GFS ensembles medium term, are we on the verge of the return of the Beast? METO will be pretty concerned now.
Dean Barnes

Finstock, Chipping Norton, Oxfordshire

160m ASL 525 Ft

Ally Pally Snowman
08 February 2025 17:35:09
After a poor 6z ensembles the 12z set are much better, with some real beauties in there.

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/show_diagrams.php?geoid=50893&model=gfs&var=2&run=12&lid=ENS&bw=1 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Ally Pally Snowman
08 February 2025 17:36:26

You got to it first Retron! Big upgrade in the GFS ensembles medium term, are we on the verge of the return of the Beast? METO will be pretty concerned now.

Originally Posted by: Snowedin3 

Meto always seem to be one step behind these days.


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
nsrobins
08 February 2025 17:37:25

After a poor 6z ensembles the 12z set are much better, with some real beauties in there.

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/show_diagrams.php?geoid=50893&model=gfs&var=2&run=12&lid=ENS&bw=1 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Yep. GFS OP and control way out in the mild edge of the suite. Some absolute belters in their with a few -15s which have skewed the mean into one of the best means for a while. 

Over to you ECM.


Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

Stormchaser, Member TORRO

nsrobins
08 February 2025 17:41:27
In fact the mean is miles better at 192 than the 06 offering.
Neil

Fareham, Hampshire 28m ASL (near estuary)

Stormchaser, Member TORRO

Hippydave
08 February 2025 17:50:48

In fact the mean is miles better at 192 than the 06 offering.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

I guess that answers the question of whether the 6z was the start of a wander back to a less interesting solution. 

It would be nice if we can start getting some of the 'properly' cold charts to the T72 range, rather than a few days of teasing and mixed ens and a nearly but not quite result ala the current drizzly irritation. 

All in all though the fact we're getting charts like these in a month that was generally forecast to be mild and atlantic dominated is an entertaining nod to the vagaries of the weather:-

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Edit: ECM is heading in a positive direction at T168 (wxcharts). 


Home: Tunbridge Wells

Work: Tonbridge

Ally Pally Snowman
08 February 2025 18:42:40
Ecm 12z is a peach.
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Quantum
08 February 2025 18:47:58
Well everything seems really good except the GFS, and to a lesser extent the JMA.


25/26 (850hpa temp) 11 days snow/sleet falling

18/11 (-4) 19/11 (-6) 20/11 (-6) 01/01 (-7) 04/01 (-10) 10/01 (-7) 11/01 (-3) 30/01 (-1) 13/02 (-6) 15/02 (-4) 18/02 (-6)

24/25 10d

18/11 (-6) 19/11 (-6) 23/11 (-2) 22/12 (-5) 04/01 (-5) 05/01 (0)14/02 (0) 15/02 (0)12/03 (-6) 13/03 (-6)

23/24 8d

29/11 (-6) 30/11 (-6) 02/12 (-5) 03/12 (-5) 04/12 (-3) 16/01 (-3) 18/01 (-8)08/02 (-5)

22/23 7d

18/12 (-1)06/03 (-6) 08/03 (-8) 09/03 (-6) 10/03 (-8) 11/03 (-5) 14/03 (-6)

21/22 12d

Retron
08 February 2025 18:48:08

Ecm 12z is a peach.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Has to be the snowiest I've seen in many a year down here - constant snow showers coming in from the east for days on end.

Here's the snow depth chart as of T+324! Bear in mind around 15 cm of snow in total has fallen by this point (down here), leaving a couple of inches still on the ground. Further north it's even snowier...

https://ukwct.org.uk/weather/ecm-snow.jpg 

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Leysdown, north Kent
Ally Pally Snowman
08 February 2025 18:51:09

Has to be the snowiest I've seen in many a year down here - constant snow showers coming in from the east for days on end.

Here's the snow depth chart as of T+324! Bear in mind around 15 cm of snow in total has fallen by this point, leaving a couple of inches still on the ground.

https://ukwct.org.uk/weather/ecm-snow.jpg 

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Originally Posted by: Retron 

One day one of these crazy runs will actually happen. Very February 1991.


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Retron
08 February 2025 18:53:05

One day one of these crazy runs will actually happen. Very February 1991.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Add in the 1.5C of warming since then and you'd be looking at -3s or -4s across Kent. ECM delivers noon temperatures of -2 - so not far off:

https://wxcharts.com/?panel=default&model=ecmwf,ecmwf,ecmwf,ecmwf®ion=uk&chart=2mtemp,850temp,wind10mmph,snowdepth&run=12&step=312&plottype=10&lat=51.398&lon=0.922&skewtstep=0 

That would be a widespread ice day in eastern areas, very unusual in recent times. Note, though, that the ice days only start appearing in the south right at the end of the run, so even more than ever it's "just for fun"!


Leysdown, north Kent

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