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CField
02 December 2024 17:25:47
Mighty heights to the south reassert on the 12z run......
Favourite snowstorm

Famous channel low

Dec 31st 1978

Hastings East Sussex

Foot of level snow severe drifting

Next day max temp -4 degrees Celsius

warrenb
02 December 2024 17:40:02
Met at 0z Sunday, quickly checks high tide times as that is storm surge territory.
squish
02 December 2024 17:47:54
JMA has it right over us at +132
D.E.W on Dartmoor. 300m asl
fairweather
02 December 2024 18:53:02

The kent problem: The best wind direction for heavy convective snow is easterly; but that's also the direction that makes the kent boundary layer distinctly maritime. Its kent's fault for being so close to the coast. The sweat spot is close enough to get the showers but the effect of the sea has started to wane so its all snow.

Originally Posted by: Quantum 

Anything from NE to E is good for me and Darren if it is cold enough and Thames streamers form. S.E. is my best direction for frontal snow to come from or other disturbances from Northern France.


S.Essex, 42m ASL
fairweather
02 December 2024 19:01:35
Interesting to hear Darren Bett make the comment about the incoming frontal snow may lead to up to 8cm in the Highlands of Scotland.

How distant the memory now seems of more than two generations ago of me with my ear against the wireless listening to the Home Service forecast following the shipping forecast at 5.55pm waiting for that magic "heavy snow giving blizzard conditions with drifting". And that wasn't just for the Highlands of Scotland!


S.Essex, 42m ASL
Brian Gaze
03 December 2024 07:47:43
Looks interesting. (I'll have the AIFS on TWO in the next few days)

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Bertwhistle
03 December 2024 08:31:49

Looks interesting. (I'll have the AIFS on TWO in the next few days)

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Just checked the 850s for that same period in ECM. Look even more interesting.


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03 December 2024 08:48:16
WX temp chart at least consistent for two days in a, row even if the advance of colder weather from the east in week 2 is a little more fragmented. To repeat, most of Europe close to norm in week 1 ...  in week 2 freezing weather spreading SW-wards through C Europe as far as the Pyrenees (even a touch for Scotland), and the rest of Europe i.e. around coasts, including Britain, only 2-4C above. PPtn also consistent, mostly in an area from the N Atlantic S-wards through France to Italy and the Balkans, heaviest in the north of this area in week 1 and in the south of it in week 2.

GFS Op 0z - mainly hp for Britain at first but LP near Iceland extends a trough into the N Sea Fri 6th followed by a deepening low crossing N England and  reaching Dogger 975mb later on Sat 7th with  N-ly gales to follow. Then a quiet spell of HP- controlled weather for Britain though the SE is on the edge of the cold pool over Europe created by that LP. A repeat from Sat 14th as LP this time from NW  crosses Scotland and again ends up in the N Sea 985mb Mon 16th with N-lies, quietening down as before though cold LPs in the final chart Thu 19th are waiting in the N Atlantic.

ECM - by comparison with GFS, the LP on Sat 7th is a weak feature running along the Channel an d merely serving to augment the trough already in the N Sea. Then the cold pool is better defined and more certain to affect England midweek 11th. Final chart has the HP n moving NE-wards Fri 13th; no LP from the NW but instead continental influence as LP 985mb Russia is threatening to bring in E-lies.

GEM - Like ECM to 11th then reverts to an Atlantic theme as per GFS

GEFS - milder with rain 5th-7th then  in the S colder  (5 or 6 C below norm) and dry through to Fri 13th with good ens agreement. Thereafter continuing cool though slowly recovering closer to norm with some rain in most runs. In the N the colder weather sets  in a day or two earlier (with snow in the Highlands) and temp recovers to norm more quickly though less certain to do so. 


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Brian Gaze
03 December 2024 09:11:14
Not accessible via the website just yet, but the AIFS has a sinker and is significantly different to the ECM op run.

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Taylor1740
03 December 2024 10:39:48
It continues to all look very average to me, not necessarily mild but not all that cold either. At the moment an average or slightly milder than average month seems the most likely. Need to see the GEFS turn a lot colder to have any confidence of a cold spell in mid-December.
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Gandalf The White
03 December 2024 11:22:12

It continues to all look very average to me, not necessarily mild but not all that cold either. At the moment an average or slightly milder than average month seems the most likely. Need to see the GEFS turn a lot colder to have any confidence of a cold spell in mid-December.

Originally Posted by: Taylor1740 

I was thinking that the current output is quite unusual and has potential. Nothing especially cold but the pattern suggests rather below average temperatures with the odds tilted more in favour of cold than mild. We keep seeing repeated ridging northwards from the Azores high and raised heights around Greenland, with LPs getting into Scandinavia. The jet stream pattern across the US and North Atlantic is quite disjointed and relatively weak for this point in the year.


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ballamar
03 December 2024 11:30:17

I was thinking that the current output is quite unusual and has potential. Nothing especially cold but the pattern suggests rather below average temperatures with the odds tilted more in favour of cold than mild. We keep seeing repeated ridging northwards from the Azores high and raised heights around Greenland, with LPs getting into Scandinavia. The jet stream pattern across the US and North Atlantic is quite disjointed and relatively weak for this point in the year.

Originally Posted by: Gandalf The White 

Exactly anything but usual dross for time of year and potential for some colder scenarios to play out. Obviously could slip into the usual patterns but that’s not what’s showing at the moment

warrenb
03 December 2024 11:36:56
Chilly and changeable would be my summary with potential
nsrobins
03 December 2024 12:27:45
There remain a variety of solutions across the NWP and their suites with regards the low crossing the country Fri night.

Some GFS solutions would bring a significant wind event to the south whilst others more a shallow wave along the channel. Definitely one to watch in the next day or so to se how this develops.


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Gandalf The White
03 December 2024 12:50:16

There remain a variety of solutions across the NWP and their suites with regards the low crossing the country Fri night.

Some GFS solutions would bring a significant wind event to the south whilst others more a shallow wave along the channel. Definitely one to watch in the next day or so to se how this develops.

Originally Posted by: nsrobins 

Thanks for that, Neil; it prompted me to take a look at the postage stamps. As you say, quite a range of solutions still, from copious rain through to a snow event for North Wales and the North Midlands, some runs with v strong winds, others with not so much.  

Meanwhile the GFS 06z ensemble suite for London shows average to rather below average temperatures with some runs offering sleet or snow on about half the days. 

Further north, for the Edinburgh area it’s several degrees colder, with a slightly heightened snow risk.

The Op was amongst the milder options for much of the second half of the run and almost an outlier for a couple of days.


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



Jiries
03 December 2024 13:05:30

Exactly anything but usual dross for time of year and potential for some colder scenarios to play out. Obviously could slip into the usual patterns but that’s not what’s showing at the moment

Originally Posted by: ballamar 

Looking at Toronto there no signs of deep cold or normal cold weather just mostly above average and just a day of subzero before quckly milder air, they are now having similar temps to here than supposed to be 1C or below average this month.  This help for UK to get some cold spells easier if N America does not get deep cold shots.  

tallyho_83
03 December 2024 13:20:05
This is interesting what's happening over Siberia at 10hpa and been a theme over the past few runs as well- considering it is very early and we are in a westerly QBO. - Early days of course! 

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/charts/gfs/06_384_arctic10.png 

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Gandalf The White
03 December 2024 13:25:11

Looking at Toronto there no signs of deep cold or normal cold weather just mostly above average and just a day of subzero before quckly milder air, they are now having similar temps to here than supposed to be 1C or below average this month.  This help for UK to get some cold spells easier if N America does not get deep cold shots.  

Originally Posted by: Jiries 

Toronto doesn’t look especially mild if you look at the GFS 06z ensemble suite:  

https://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?x=&y=&run=18&lat=43.875&lon=-77.34375&runpara=0&type=6&ext=1 


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



Retron
03 December 2024 13:38:45

This is interesting what's happening over Siberia at 10hpa and been a theme over the past few runs as well-

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 

It's been a theme over the past few decades, you mean - we see that sort of warming pretty much every year.


Leysdown, north Kent
Chunky Pea
03 December 2024 14:46:50

It continues to all look very average to me, not necessarily mild but not all that cold either. At the moment an average or slightly milder than average month seems the most likely. Need to see the GEFS turn a lot colder to have any confidence of a cold spell in mid-December.

Originally Posted by: Taylor1740 

Inclined to agree. Short milder spells followed by short cooler spells and back again seems to be the theme over the next couple of weeks. All works out about average. Although, as others have said, there is a lot of unpredictability going on as well. 


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

03 December 2024 14:54:14
Looks seasonal up north. Good snow on mountains.

Bouts of wintry rain for the rest. Uninspiring.


Berkshire
Gandalf The White
03 December 2024 15:04:13

Looks seasonal up north. Good snow on mountains.

Bouts of wintry rain for the rest. Uninspiring.

Originally Posted by: The Dub Version 

In other words seasonal for the entire country, except that the output is on the cool side of average. 🙂


Location: South Cambridgeshire

130 metres ASL

52.0N 0.1E



Russwirral
03 December 2024 16:25:15
Friday evening has a very Boxing day 2014 look about it
03 December 2024 16:39:22
Some wintry rain from the east also possibility it seems. Too warm for sleet etc.


Berkshire
idj20
03 December 2024 16:44:19
Hoping for the UKMO option of Friday/Saturday's runner low pressure to bypass to my south thus avoiding the strong winds. The GFS's take can go in the bin, now all eyes on the ECM.
Home location: Folkestone Harbour.

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