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polarwind
27 July 2024 11:40:33

A SSW event has taken place over Antartica over the past couple of weeks. These events are much rarer than in the Northern hemisphere, this will only be the 3rd in the last 60 years. It is also the first to occur in the southern hemisphere winter, the others have occurred in spring. Living in SW Australia this could be great news for us with a higher chance of a wet end to winter and start to spring. July has broken the average rainfall and signs are pointing to a wetter than average winter, possibly plus 400mm for the 3 months. 

Originally Posted by: Perthite1 

Interesting stuff - thank you.


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Perthite1
27 July 2024 13:21:46

Interesting stuff - thank you.

Originally Posted by: polarwind 

Great to see interest… the southern hemisphere weather is very different to the north. Less landmass and mountain ranges, so we don’t see the zonal disruption. So an event like this is unusual. The below is taken from an amateur meteorologist I follow from Queensland.

Earlier this July, the temperature more than 20 kilometres above the east Antarctic coastline suddenly warmed by about 50 degrees Celsius in a week — an event called a sudden stratospheric warming (SSW).

While SSWs occur every other year in the northern hemisphere, they are extremely rare in the southern hemisphere, and have never previously been observed in winter.

The rapid polar warming is now beginning to filter down towards the surface in the form of higher pressure over Antarctica, a set-up which has the potential to impact Australia's weather through August and possibly well into spring.

Typically this sudden change over the stratosphere will then filter down and disrupt the troposphere (the layer of atmosphere where weather occurs), which can result in prolonged spells of extreme weather for weeks.

Technically the warming of the stratosphere is required to average at least 25C to be classified as a true SSW, and while this event's warming has doubled that figure near the east Antarctic coast, the average warming over the whole of Antarctica may have so far peaked just below the threshold.

A pair of leading international weather models are predicting the SSW footprint will continue into August, which could mean frequent stormy conditions for the southern states, and possibly renewed bursts of gale-force winds and heavy alpine snow in the weeks ahead.

While the weather is already being impacted by the warm stratosphere over Antarctica, its ongoing presence could instigate a chain of events with the potential for long-lasting impacts on southern hemisphere atmospheric conditions.

A critical step in this prolonged influence would be a reduction in this year's ozone hole. Essentially the more ozone the more heating occurs and the weaker the polar vortex, while a depleted ozone layer, like we saw in 2023, leads to a colder and stronger polar vortex.

The above process would lead to a similar expansion of westerly winds through spring, bringing further above-average rain to the southern coast and ranges, while again leading to warmer and drier conditions for the east coast.

There is no guarantee a second anomalous weather system near Antarctica won't reverse the stratospheric warming through the coming weeks. Another wildcard is the residual moisture from the Hunga-Tonga volcano, which could counterbalance the excess ozone.

So in summary in simple terms more winter systems for the southern states are likely for the remainder of July and throughout August. Current modelling suggests a drier remainder of winter for Queensland possibly extending into September. Enhanced fire risk from late August for the eastern half of Queensland. With a meridional jet stream pattern likely highly variable conditions with sharper wind changes alternating from warmer ahead to cooler behind with an enhanced risk of severe thunderstorms as the temperatures warm late August into September. The risk of spring frosts are higher also particularly southern Queensland regions.

tallyho_83
06 August 2024 23:08:52
Interesting stuff about the SSW in S . Hemisphere but doubt it will have an impact on the weather patterns of the N. Hemisphere.

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPNH18_54_5.png 

Just wanted to share this temperature map for N. Hemisphere on 00z Friday 9th August - take a look at the Canadian Arctic and notice the +30'c well north of NWT and further noth of Yellowknife. We are looking at Dawson City and Inuvik etc. - Incredible how its +30c some 60'N. Fairbanks, Alaska reached 29.0c today and Whitehorse in Yukon reached 30.0c today.   

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GezM
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07 August 2024 10:40:50
Just took a look at Canadian forecasts and even more amazing is Inuvik which is at 68'N and is forecast to reach 35C today and 34C tomorrow!
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07 August 2024 10:45:40
Meanwhile, very warm air over northern Norway has been advecting towards Svalbard recently. In fact it's been a "warm" July and August by their standards but temperatures are likely to peak over the next few days. Longyearbyen at 78'N is going to see 5 double digit nights in a row and could see maxima up to 20C according to the local forecast.

This is a mountainous area so I'm sure fohn conditions could push temperatures higher than this but it's unlikely that there'll be a local weather station to record it!

https://www.yr.no/en/forecast/daily-table/1-2759929/Norway/Svalbard/Svalbard/Longyearbyen 

 


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Retron
07 August 2024 11:23:05
22C at local midnight at Utqiakvik (formerly Barrow), the northernmost town in North America, is also remarkable.

https://seaice.alaska.edu/gi/observatories/barrow_webcam/ 

Everything's built on permafrost there, and I'm sure they're hoping the temperatures get back down to normal before too long!


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Jiries
08 August 2024 12:39:49

22C at local midnight at Utqiakvik (formerly Barrow), the northernmost town in North America, is also remarkable.

https://seaice.alaska.edu/gi/observatories/barrow_webcam/ 

Everything's built on permafrost there, and I'm sure they're hoping the temperatures get back down to normal before too long!

Originally Posted by: Retron 

And 27C in Santa Claus, i see lot of tourists in shorts and summer gear under hte blazing azure blue skies, not a cloud seen.

How come the Arctic circle get many nice summer days and temperatures high, it might be higher on the display but still remarkable that the warmth persist in a place that barely see little sun in winter months.  

Gandalf The White
08 August 2024 12:59:01

And 27C in Santa Claus, i see lot of tourists in shorts and summer gear under hte blazing azure blue skies, not a cloud seen.

How come the Arctic circle get many nice summer days and temperatures high, it might be higher on the display but still remarkable that the warmth persist in a place that barely see little sun in winter months.  

Originally Posted by: Jiries 

Partly because they get little darkness in the summer months, so more opportunity for the sun to warm the air/ground.  Then there’s climate change.


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19 August 2024 11:01:47
This is mentioned elsewhere but in case you are wondering why our skies have been very hazy/milky recently, here is the explanation ....

Smoke from wildfires across the Atlantic has brought spectacular vivid colours to sunsets and sunrises across the UK this weekend.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crkm2vpy7g6o 


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Perthite1
19 August 2024 13:47:02
It appears a third SSW event is occurring over Antartica. Records only go back 60 years, but this is a first. I will post more on this in the next few days. Another wet evening here in Perth. We look almost certain for a wetter than average winter now which over the past few decades has not been a regular event. 
Perthite1
01 September 2024 06:30:43

It appears a third SSW event is occurring over Antartica. Records only go back 60 years, but this is a first. I will post more on this in the next few days. Another wet evening here in Perth. We look almost certain for a wetter than average winter now which over the past few decades has not been a regular event. 

Originally Posted by: Perthite1 

425mm in Perth for the 3 months June to August beating the average of 398mm. The SSW events likely contributed to this as the winter started out dry. Other parts of Australia have seen extreme heat over the past couple of weeks. Days 15c above average have not been uncommon. SSW events have been associated with extreme heat and bushfires in Eastern Australia in particular as we head into Spring and Summer. We shall see what happens in the coming months. 

johncs2016
01 September 2024 06:43:40

425mm in Perth for the 3 months June to August beating the average of 398mm. The SSW events likely contributed to this as the winter started out dry. Other parts of Australia have seen extreme heat over the past couple of weeks. Days 15c above average have not been uncommon. SSW events have been associated with extreme heat and bushfires in Eastern Australia in particular as we head into Spring and Summer. We shall see what happens in the coming months. 

Originally Posted by: Perthite1 

Given those recent SSW events over Antarctica, it will interesting to see whether or not this might improve our chances of witnessing an SSW event up here in the Northern Hemisphere six months later, especially given that most of us on here know full well what that can potentially lead to during our own winter.

Of course, it might well be that those two events aren't connected to each other in any way, but this is something which Mark Vogan had touched on in a few of his recent videos on YouTube, so it will be interesting to see the outcome of that.


The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.

DEW
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14 September 2024 15:30:15
GEZ M spotted the ;likelihood of this some days back:

Four die in Romanian floods as rain lashes Europe

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2l1l8ng2edo 

Huge Amounts of Autumn Snow Now Falling in the Alps

https://planetski.eu/2024/09/12/more-autumn-snow-set-to-fall-in-the-alps/ 


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Chunky Pea
14 September 2024 20:42:07
This is cool:


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Jiries
14 September 2024 21:09:19

GEZ M spotted the ;likelihood of this some days back:

Four die in Romanian floods as rain lashes Europe

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c2l1l8ng2edo 

Huge Amounts of Autumn Snow Now Falling in the Alps

https://planetski.eu/2024/09/12/more-autumn-snow-set-to-fall-in-the-alps/ 

Originally Posted by: DEW 

All that heavy snow on the East Alps must be more than what they got last winter.  Just a few days ago was warm and low to mid 30's in lower parts of Europe.

DEW
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15 September 2024 06:32:35
https://watchers.news/2024/09/14/europe-hit-by-abrupt-weather-shift-as-heat-dome-collapses-bringing-early-snowfall-torrential-rainfall-and-cold-blast/ 

By an appropriate coincidence, it's cyclone Boris which is bringing chaos and disaster😟


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DEW
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15 September 2024 06:32:36
https://watchers.news/2024/09/14/europe-hit-by-abrupt-weather-shift-as-heat-dome-collapses-bringing-early-snowfall-torrential-rainfall-and-cold-blast/ 

By an appropriate coincidence, it's cyclone Boris which is bringing chaos and disaster😟


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DEW
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15 September 2024 06:48:27
And not just Europe ...

Alau Dam collapse floods 40 percent of Maiduguri, leaves at least 30 dead and 1 million affected, Nigeria

https://watchers.news/2024/09/12/alau-dam-collapse-floods-40-percent-of-maiduguri-leaves-at-least-30-dead-and-1-million-affected-nigeria/ 

Though perhaps this should go in the (non-) hurricane thread, as the event is sub-Saharan, which area seems to have attracted all the tropical activity this year.


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Ally Pally Snowman
15 September 2024 15:25:26
Remarkable footage of the floods on X. Huge area affected.

Dam has burst in Poland . Lots more rain to come as well


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Jiries
15 September 2024 17:11:22

Remarkable footage of the floods on X. Huge area affected.

Dam has burst in Poland . Lots more rain to come as well

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Watch the weather news from BBC news it show the LP that was originally plagued London and the south coast for days with rain moved SE and the northerly feed wrap around this LP making it stuck over there for few days now.  Imagine if this nasty LP was spining for days over London and the south coasts would had been disaster but saved by the northerly blast pushed it away.

DEW
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16 September 2024 17:09:12
Polish city urged to evacuate as floods batter central Europe

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yjjqyv84eo 

Sorry, Caz; you'd best pause the Matt Taylor video at about 1:10. but you should see some *interesting* thunderstorms on the Adriatic part of your holiday!


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SydneyonTees
17 September 2024 11:32:08
After a usually warm August the weather in Australia has taken a much cooler turn with some rare cold records broken. There is also some unusual dry season rainfall for the Northern Territory.

Antarctic blast brings record cold spring temps and snow

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-09-16/nsw-vic-tas-spring-weather-breaks-records-south-east-australia/104357000 

https://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/adelaides-coldest-spring-morning-on-record/1889897 

The mercury dropped down to a frigid 1.3°C in Adelaide overnight, the city's lowest springtime temperature in 137 years of records.

https://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/canberras-coldest-spring-morning-on-record/1889892 

The mercury plummeted overnight in Canberra, with a reading of –6.9°C recorded at 5:49am. That made it the coldest temperature in any spring month since meteorological records commenced in the national capital in 1923.

https://www.weatherzone.com.au/news/darwin-hasnt-seen-september-rain-like-this-for-decades/1889903 

Rare dry season rain is soaking parts of northern Australia this week, with Darwin just copping its heaviest September rain in 43 years.

Perhaps all resulting from the VERY rare SSW we had in the southern hemisphere back in August…maybe..

Also, an original TWO poster here from way back at the very start making a visit, good to see the place still going :-)

DEW
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17 September 2024 14:44:11
Good to see you back😊
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DEW
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17 September 2024 21:15:32
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ckgmrnwgm7zo 

and https://watchers.news/2024/09/17/storm-boris-returns-to-italy-placing-emilia-romagna-and-marche-on-high-alert/


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Caz
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18 September 2024 06:39:32

Polish city urged to evacuate as floods batter central Europe

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yjjqyv84eo 

Sorry, Caz; you'd best pause the Matt Taylor video at about 1:10. but you should see some *interesting* thunderstorms on the Adriatic part of your holiday!

Originally Posted by: DEW 

I quite like a good thunderstorm but would prefer a little sunshine as well.  I’m thinking our itinerary is likely to change due to the weather but I’d rather that than be at sea in a storm.  Still, we’re on a nice ship where we can relax and have everything done for us.  I’d better take extra books to read.  


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