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Ally Pally Snowman
Tuesday, June 11, 2024 5:35:13 PM
Absolutely horrific 12s. 😢 
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Retron
Tuesday, June 11, 2024 5:42:50 PM
I note the new MetO model is keen on some unseasonally strong winds on Saturday - we might get into the 30s in terms of gusts in the typical "Euro monsoon", but getting into the 40s in summer is much less common.

GFS has mid 30s at the same time, and as we saw time and again during winter, GFS tends to overestimate gusts... by a good 10mph or more.

Seeing the MetO output have much higher wind gusts makes me raise an eyebrow... I'll be keeping a close eye on this one, as high winds are my least favourite weather. 40+ gusts with the trees in full leaf will be "interesting", put it that way!

Screengrab from the MetO site for reference - I'll post an update, assuming I remember, on Saturday.

https://ukwct.org.uk/weather/wind.jpg 

EDIT: Looks like this is going to be a fascinating test of the new model! The older UKV output, seen on the "current forecast" version of the MetO site, has localised highs in the mid to high 30s, with high 20s, low 30s more generally.

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Leysdown, north Kent
Retron
Tuesday, June 11, 2024 5:46:58 PM
Here's the "current model" version of the above screenshot - a massive difference to how it'll appear on the ground, a windy day versus a remarkably windy day.

https://ukwct.org.uk/weather/wind2.jpg 

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Leysdown, north Kent
cultman1
Tuesday, June 11, 2024 6:50:22 PM
winds of this intensity for this time of the year is really scary. Are we in for a sustained autumnal onsluaght over the next 2 weeks or so?
johncs2016
Tuesday, June 11, 2024 7:06:05 PM

winds of this intensity for this time of the year is really scary. Are we in for a sustained autumnal onsluaght over the next 2 weeks or so?

Originally Posted by: cultman1 

We've even had named storms during the summer in recent years, so could we end up with one in the near future?

If so, the next storm on the list if that is officially named by either the UK Met Office, Met Eireann or the Dutch Met service would be Storm Lilian.

 


The north of Edinburgh, usually always missing out on snow events which occur not just within the rest of Scotland or the UK, but also within the rest of Edinburgh.

White Meadows
Tuesday, June 11, 2024 7:12:28 PM

Here's the "current model" version of the above screenshot - a massive difference to how it'll appear on the ground, a windy day versus a remarkably windy day.

https://ukwct.org.uk/weather/wind2.jpg 

Originally Posted by: Retron 

About 5mph or so 🤷‍♂️ 
Zubzero
Tuesday, June 11, 2024 7:20:14 PM
Summer version of zonal crud. 

https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/ecmwf.php?ech=240&mode=1&map=0&type=0&archive=0 

I wont post the latter stages of the GFS, I fear it would be to horrific for hot weather fans. 

White Meadows
Tuesday, June 11, 2024 9:39:55 PM
ECM about as bad as it gets for a Uk summer. A large, often deep area of low pressure with stalling fronts. High winds and persistent showers particularly for the north. Any real hint of heat bottled up over the Balearics. 

The question is, how much longer can this sh**fest last?

DEW
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Wednesday, June 12, 2024 6:57:08 AM
WX temps for week 1 show NW Europe below average, as before, but the cool weather is pushed back northwards on a broad front in week 2. For Britain this probably means back to norm; the Baltic benefits rather more. Rain in week 1 for Britain and the nearby continent. In week 2 this splits into two, one area for Ireland and the Atlantic, the other for the Alps and E Europe, N Sea coasts rather dry.

GFS Op - brief window of HP before Trough from Atlantic settles over Scotland 995mb Fri 14th. This continues to affect Britain until Wed 19th, pulling in air from the N more often than not, before resolving ca 21st into a zonal pattern with fine weather for the SE, unsettled in the NW, winds from W and later from SW. HP then tries to establish mostly to the E of Britain from about Mon 24th but gets disrupted by troughs reaching Ireland.

ECM - like GFS, though the zonal pattern from Fri 21st has LP closer to N Scotland

GEM - resembles GFS, later charts give HP from 24th a higher chance of establishing

GEFS - cool now, temps regain norm from about Mon 17th with good ens agreement; staying near norm with less good agreement to Mon 24th, then diverging but with an increased number of runs forecasting warmer weather. Modest amounts of rain at any time, but in the W persistent and sometimes quite heavy.


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Chichester 12m asl

Matty H
Wednesday, June 12, 2024 4:19:12 PM
A ground frost possible for tonight here. Absolutely pathetic
Yate, Nr Bristol

TBFTEIARBSC

Chunky Pea
Wednesday, June 12, 2024 4:47:12 PM

A ground frost possible for tonight here. Absolutely pathetic

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

It won't last long. Summer sun will make short work of it.


Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

Jiries
Wednesday, June 12, 2024 4:51:18 PM

A ground frost possible for tonight here. Absolutely pathetic

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

More dangerous and lethal having clear skies and very cold but immediate overcast before sun rise they make matter worst and brutal cold overcast day temps so hope not materialised tonight.  So boring this phantom cold weather.

bledur
Wednesday, June 12, 2024 6:39:54 PM

ECM about as bad as it gets for a Uk summer. A large, often deep area of low pressure with stalling fronts. High winds and persistent showers particularly for the north. Any real hint of heat bottled up over the Balearics. 

The question is, how much longer can this sh**fest last?

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

 Looks like the pattern will repeat for the next 10 days , Cool and mostly dry /warmer and wetter /cool and mostly dry.

As it is still only the first half of June there is ample opportunity for the weather to markedly change to hot and sunny .

One thing is certain . No one will see it coming.☺

Ally Pally Snowman
Wednesday, June 12, 2024 7:04:19 PM
Nice ending to the ECM 12z tonight.  Azores HP builds in to the South with some very warm air aswell. But the ECM has been terrible in the 192h-240h range recently,  so little confidence at this stage.

 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Hungry Tiger
Wednesday, June 12, 2024 7:47:55 PM
Some warm stuff is showing up on models for the end of the month.    🙂 
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White Meadows
Wednesday, June 12, 2024 10:20:32 PM

Some warm stuff is showing up on models for the end of the month.    🙂 

Originally Posted by: Hungry Tiger 

Huge outlier that heat, sadly: 

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/show_diagrams.php?model=gfs&lid=ENS&var=2&bw=1&geoid=49069 

….but something *could be brewing if taking ecm 12z into consideration.

 

White Meadows
Thursday, June 13, 2024 6:53:09 AM
ECM this morning sticking with its guns for something warmer end of next week:

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=ecm&var=1&time=216&run=00&lid=OP&h=0&tr=24&mv=0#mapref 

 

DEW
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Thursday, June 13, 2024 7:05:48 AM
WX charts show warmth moving north but oh-so-gradually; all of Britain back to norm by week 2, France looking moderately warm, but the real gainer is that part of Scandinavia near the Baltic. Some rain for most of NW Europe in week 1 but mostly in the NW and especially SE England. In week 2 rain generally dying out but still around in patches - Wales, Belgium, Switzerland.

GFS Op - Atlantic LP moving into Scotland 990mb tomorrow 14th and affecting all of Britain until Tue 18th while slowly filling and eventually moving off to the N. Ridge of HP then moving in from the SW, spoilt for the SE by LP from Biscay reaching E Anglia 1005mb Thu 20th before HP based in N Sea covers the whole country Sun 23rd. By the end of the following week this HP has moved to the NE while a trough approaches Ireland 1005 mb Fri 28th.

ECM - similar to GFS but places the ridge of HP around Thu 20th further to the SE so SW-lies for Scotland and LP from Biscay staying out of the way over the Low Countries.

GEM - Evolution to Tue 18th similar to GFS but then keeps pressure fairly low over Britain as a whole before the HP arrives from the SW Thu 20th but placed even further SE than ECM, i.e. over N France - fine for England , less settled for Scotland.

GEFS - temps regaining norm around Tue 18th (sooner in N) and then staying there or slightly above with moderately good ens agreement to Fri 28th - best chance of warm and dry weather around Sun 23rd, some rain either side of this but not much in NE. 


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Chichester 12m asl

Saint Snow
Thursday, June 13, 2024 8:53:15 AM

ECM this morning sticking with its guns for something warmer end of next week:

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=ecm&var=1&time=216&run=00&lid=OP&h=0&tr=24&mv=0#mapref 

 

Originally Posted by: White Meadows 

Each of ECM, GFS and GEM hint at more chance of settled weather (temps for me are secondary to settled and dry, certainly this early in summer) with high pressure in better proximity to the UK and the overall pattern seeming a bit more 'traditional'. ECM the pick of the FI's.

 


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idj20
Thursday, June 13, 2024 9:26:25 AM

Each of ECM, GFS and GEM hint at more chance of settled weather (temps for me are secondary to settled and dry, certainly this early in summer) with high pressure in better proximity to the UK and the overall pattern seeming a bit more 'traditional'. ECM the pick of the FI's.

 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Just hope the 00z GFS's 50+ mm of rain under a fresh NE airflow for my location next Wednesday (6 days away) is a wild outlier. 🤣 I think that French low is going to throw the spanner in the works one way or the other. 


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Ally Pally Snowman
Thursday, June 13, 2024 6:56:54 PM
Horrific 12s once again. Write off all of June now
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Ally Pally Snowman
Thursday, June 13, 2024 7:10:15 PM
Hopefully ECM 12z is a massive unsettled outlier otherwise we are in trouble.  
Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
Jiries
Thursday, June 13, 2024 7:10:28 PM

Horrific 12s once again. Write off all of June now

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Very likely we get no June summer season this at all once again and this country climate is not adhering the season at all, when you expect a summer season should be seasonal up to 75-80% while rest is a day to few days of low or high temperatures or unsettled shorter spells   This month barely touch above average for few hours only.  Also the problem with models still carry on very unreliable and rubbish than the past, this week was meant to be in the low 20;s but turn out just low teen temps.

Ally Pally Snowman
Thursday, June 13, 2024 7:26:34 PM

Very likely we get no June summer season this at all once again and this country climate is not adhering the season at all, when you expect a summer season should be seasonal up to 75-80% while rest is a day to few days of low or high temperatures or unsettled shorter spells   This month barely touch above average for few hours only.  Also the problem with models still carry on very unreliable and rubbish than the past, this week was meant to be in the low 20;s but turn out just low teen temps.

Originally Posted by: Jiries 

If the ECM 12z is right we are talking 1675 bad. 

 


Bishop's Stortford 85m ASL.
White Meadows
Thursday, June 13, 2024 7:44:45 PM

If the ECM 12z is right we are talking 1675 bad. 

 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Why, what happened in 1675?

 

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