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DEW
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20 May 2024 07:04:57
WX temps repeat yesterday's forecast: week 1 still with the warm area in S Baltic, cooler either side; in week 2 this gets warmer still and milder air moves N over France to affect  Britain and only far NE Europe (i.e N Finland and N Russia) stays cold. Main area of pptn is continental W Europe with Britain on the edge of this in week 1, but new for week 2 is a large and intense area of rain on the Atlantic affecting Ireland and NW Scotland. Dry for Scandinavia (but not now including northern N Sea) and also Spain.

GFS Op - pressure tends to be high over Scotland and low over France until Wed 29th but areas of LP develop and interrupt this pattern; 1005mb moving N up the E coast Wed 22nd; 990mb Rockall Sun 26th; 1015mb S England Tue 28th. After the 29th LP comes in from the Atlantic, at its deepest 990mb off SW Ireland, but persisting off W Britain to Wed 5th, while at the same time HP moves from N Norway to Germany.

ECM - not unlike GFS but the LP Wed 22nd is deeper and hangs around over Scotland for a couple of days before HP re-asserts itself. Of the other LPs, that on the 26th stays near Iceland and that on the 28th is delayed for a day, to the 29th.

GEFS - the spell of rain previously noted for the 22nd/23rd for the N is now more widespread, especially heavy in the E. Beyond that, temps are near norm, perhaps a little cooler briefly around Sat 25th, and, less certainly, somewhat warmer and sustained around Fri 31st; small amounts of rain in various runs at various times.

These reviews will be suspended until Wed 29th as I'm away - over to you, Saint.


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Saint Snow
20 May 2024 08:07:26

These reviews will be suspended until Wed 29th as I'm away

Originally Posted by: DEW 

Hope you have a nice break, David. 👍

over to you, Saint.

Originally Posted by: DEW 

🤣

I think not! My random posts are just ad hoc ramblings, lacking the deeper and more meteorological analysis you bring. They're as much to help me get a grasp of the output! 😊

 


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Rob K
20 May 2024 11:28:27
I'm struggling to know what to expect at the moment. Initially this week was looking quite nice, then yesterday the BBC week ahead forecast looked fairly disastrous, with rain moving in by Thursday.

This morning I check the models and ARPEGE keeps most of the country dry apart from a few showers, with the band of rain mostly kept out in the North Sea to the east. 

GFS looks somewhat wetter this week but settles things down after the weekend.

ECM also not too bad but potentially a rather threatening little centre of low pressure hanging around over the south next week.

UKMO looks the worst of the bunch by a mile.


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GezM
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20 May 2024 11:50:38
I'm sure many of us will be planning outdoor activities this Bank Holiday weekend so that is my key focus. Unfortunately, looking at the GFS and ECM rainfall charts it is looking quite unsettled across the whole of the UK. Showery in general and with more prolonged rain for a while in western parts on Saturday. 

Not really looking like a wash out though and I daresay that some fortunate areas will dodge much of the rain. 


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Jiries
21 May 2024 07:41:03

I'm sure many of us will be planning outdoor activities this Bank Holiday weekend so that is my key focus. Unfortunately, looking at the GFS and ECM rainfall charts it is looking quite unsettled across the whole of the UK. Showery in general and with more prolonged rain for a while in western parts on Saturday. 

Not really looking like a wash out though and I daresay that some fortunate areas will dodge much of the rain. 

Originally Posted by: GezM 

They are all so unreliable both models and forecasts so best to check out from the window and if good then plan it for the day, if bad forget it just stay at home instead.  We went out to Albury Hall last BH weekend because we saw nice azure blue skies and few clouds despite horrible wet BH weekend forecasts/models showing.  We now go out when we see good weather from the window nowcasts.  

Saint Snow
21 May 2024 10:48:16
All models continue to be firmed-up on the evolution of a low from Central Europe moving NNW'wards up the North Sea/East Coast of the UK through this week.

After that, some subtle changes to how things develop (from what was showing yesterday). There's still the fat Atlantic trough moving in - but each of GFS, ECM and GEM show higher pressure to our SW and NE extending more influence over the UK, so the dire period of weather that GFS especially had been forecasting is reined in somewhat - indeed, ECM and GEM particularly have some nice charts with high pressure dominant over the UK at times.

None are showing a prolonged dry spell but, after a soaking for many over the coming few days, it's looking like a mix of a settled couple of days followed by a day or two of crap, then settled again, then repeat.

 


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GezM
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21 May 2024 11:58:07
For heat lovers, I noticed that the London GEFS at 0z is showing the first 30C temperatures of the year (so I believe) occurring in early June. It is an outlier at the moment so I'm not expecting it to happen.  
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Brian Gaze
21 May 2024 12:07:58

For heat lovers, I noticed that the London GEFS at 0z is showing the first 30C temperatures of the year (so I believe) occurring in early June. It is an outlier at the moment so I'm not expecting it to happen.  

Originally Posted by: GezM 

We've had about 15 GEFS runs so far showing temperatures in the London area ~30C. 

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/tracker/tmp2m?lat=51.5&lon=0&location=London&frange=a 

This morning's went up to ~33C.

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Jiries
21 May 2024 13:07:59

We've had about 15 GEFS runs so far showing temperatures in the London area ~30C. 

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/tracker/tmp2m?lat=51.5&lon=0&location=London&frange=a 

This morning's went up to ~33C.

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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

We very well overdue for that so hope sooner than later to see those lovely warm to hot temps.  

Zubzero
21 May 2024 14:31:50

We've had about 15 GEFS runs so far showing temperatures in the London area ~30C. 

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/tracker/tmp2m?lat=51.5&lon=0&location=London&frange=a 

This morning's went up to ~33C.

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Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

https://www.meteociel.fr/modeles/gfs/royaume-uni/temperatures-2m-hd/252h.htm 

What a difference 6 hours make. No doubt be completely different in another few hours.

cultman1
21 May 2024 18:56:30
I think this change of fortune for heat lovers may be wishful thinking. The Met Office projections into June don't seem to share the confidence of  GEFS but who knows? 
Matty H
22 May 2024 06:47:28
Next weeks MetO longer ranger text forecast is painted as largely settled across large areas, particularly the south west. 

Not according to the operational GFS and ECM it isn’t. 


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GezM
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22 May 2024 08:13:55

Next weeks MetO longer ranger text forecast is painted as largely settled across large areas, particularly the south west. 

Not according to the operational GFS and ECM it isn’t. 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Indeed. GFS paints a particularly poor picture with no sign of anything more settled coming our way. Pretty much the whole of the rest of Europe is looking warm to hot , even Scandinavia, while the UK and Northern France are cool and wetter.  


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Jiries
22 May 2024 12:00:44

Next weeks MetO longer ranger text forecast is painted as largely settled across large areas, particularly the south west. 

Not according to the operational GFS and ECM it isn’t. 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

Let hope they are completely right and we well over due for settled weather and overdue for a warm to hot spell as well as none was found over Spring season.

Matty H
22 May 2024 18:46:42
ECM op is closer to the text forecast for next week than the GFS op which continues to be absolute litter
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Ally Pally Snowman
22 May 2024 19:49:22
Very volatile output atm. But both the ECM 12z and GFS 12z have a go at a plume. Probably no better than a 50% chance but something to look out for as a cut off low to our w/sw keeps showing up recently. 

https://www.wetterzentrale.de/en/topkarten.php?map=1&model=ecm&var=1&run=12&time=240&lid=OP&h=0&mv=0&tr=24#mapref 

 


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fairweather
22 May 2024 21:09:36

I'm struggling to know what to expect at the moment. Initially this week was looking quite nice, then yesterday the BBC week ahead forecast looked fairly disastrous, with rain moving in by Thursday.

This morning I check the models and ARPEGE keeps most of the country dry apart from a few showers, with the band of rain mostly kept out in the North Sea to the east. 

GFS looks somewhat wetter this week but settles things down after the weekend.

ECM also not too bad but potentially a rather threatening little centre of low pressure hanging around over the south next week.

UKMO looks the worst of the bunch by a mile.

Originally Posted by: Rob K 

It will go down in my book as some of the worst forecasting short term by models and forecasters alike for some years. I paid a lot of attention to detail late Sunday night and Monday morning. The forecast was for rain spreading in from the East affecting East Anglia (mainly the northern part) and then N.E and Northern England. No mention of it being particularly heavy. The South coast was predicted as being warm, dry and sunny on Tuesday then hazy sunshine on Wednesday with the risk of some showers later. So I booked my trip for some photography in the New Forest and Arne and set out at 5.00am. Tuesday morning was indeed glorious there but it became cloudy and cool after lunch and was raining by late afternoon. It then rained most of the night and pretty much all day Wednesday with a few short drier spells. Meanwhile, back in Essex the rain set in early and didn't stop. Tuesday and Wednesday giving my highest 24 hr total of the year - 30.5mm. ANd the BBC are still pretending it didn't happen in the south with tonight's graphic showing the rain and front moving north with the south of England being shown as dry. Frankly shocking.


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Ally Pally Snowman
23 May 2024 06:38:38
Sadly no plumes this morning.  The weather has gone the way of the pear. More wind and rain for the next week . HLB not helping it needs to sod off sharpish otherwise early summer will likely be poor.

 


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moomin75
23 May 2024 07:02:58

Sadly no plumes this morning.  The weather has gone the way of the pear. More wind and rain for the next week . HLB not helping it needs to sod off sharpish otherwise early summer will likely be poor.

 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Indeed Ally. Starting to feel bad vibes about this summer. It just cannot settle down for any length of time and with ground still saturated in many areas with a very high water table, I hope we are not staring down the barrel of 2007/2012 revisited. 


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Ally Pally Snowman
23 May 2024 07:18:59

Indeed Ally. Starting to feel bad vibes about this summer. It just cannot settle down for any length of time and with ground still saturated in many areas with a very high water table, I hope we are not staring down the barrel of 2007/2012 revisited. 

Originally Posted by: moomin75 

Could be a poor summer but normally the summer pattern doesn't kick in until late June.  So we have time but next week or so looks very poor. HLB is the issue. 


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Matty H
23 May 2024 07:22:48
Have to say I’m baffled at the MetO text forecasts for here for the weekend and next week. All about dry and settled yet I can find very little in the models that suggests this. The opposite actually. An unsettled weekend and all next week looks crap as well with bands of rain and showers moving west to east 
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GezM
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23 May 2024 07:32:28

Have to say I’m baffled at the MetO text forecasts for here for the weekend and next week. All about dry and settled yet I can find very little in the models that suggests this. The opposite actually. An unsettled weekend and all next week looks crap as well with bands of rain and showers moving west to east 

Originally Posted by: Matty H 

If anything, the outlook today is even worse than yesterday. As if we haven't had enough rain already this year! 


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Osprey
23 May 2024 08:00:11
Early days. 
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Ally Pally Snowman
23 May 2024 08:29:35
Ecm mean isn't as terrible as the Op especially in the 192-240h zone. Hopefully a decent chunk of the ensembles are stalling the low out west. 🤞
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Ally Pally Snowman
23 May 2024 08:54:56
Ecm is an unsettled outlier this morning so hopefully one for the bin. 🤞

https://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/ecmwfens_display.php?x=317&y=143&run=0&type=1&runpara=0 

 


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