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Tim A
10 May 2024 12:11:51
I am thinking it doesn't look that bad next week . Low to the SW , warmish, lots of opportunities for some decent sunshine at times especially further NE.  Will rain yes,  but not horrendous all the time .

June like weather. 


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11 May 2024 05:18:30
WX temps - week 1, patches of mild/warm weather scattered across W Europe, even up into Sweden. Week 2, this spreads to all the the continent though reluctant to cross the Channel; Scotland still definitely cool (and Iceland still freezing). Rain for France and W Britain week 1, for Scandinavia and W Britain week 2, also by then in the Balkans

GFS Op - LP 990 mb replacing HP and in W Approaches by Mon 13th, moving around that area but becoming slack LP over France by Sat 18th. A few days in which N britain esp is dominated by LP, 995mb Shetland Tue 21st, before pressure rises and is centred over Britain 1030mb Sat 25th.

ECM 12z (0z not yet downloaded) - as GFS

GEFS - cooler from 13th (the dip less marked in Scotland) but rising again and becoming pleasantly mild/warm by Sat 25th (a few cold outliers spoil the party). Rain, in places heavy around Mon 13th esp in W, then small amounts anywhere at any time


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Zubzero
11 May 2024 12:42:55
What's the reason that the  GEFS keeps underestimating max temps by 2-4C 

Today for example it's showing a max of 19-20c when it's been 22-23c.

Tomorrow it could be up to 5c out, that's a massive difference at such short range. 

https://www.meteociel.fr/cartes_obs/gens_display.php?x=320&y=106&run=6&runpara=0&type=3&ext=1 

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12 May 2024 06:53:57
WX temp - week 1 much like shown yesterday, patches of springlike weather here and there across W Europe as far N as Sweden (indeed rather warm there) but in week 2 unlike yesterday the increased warmth generally is replaced by average-looking temps everywhere. Britain trundles on near norm both weeks. Rain in week 1 Ireland - France -Italy extending further E in week 2, Very dry in Scandinavia, UK on the fringe of this

GFS Op - trough over Britain developing to 990mb Cornwall Tu 14th, drifting S to  France while HPs Atlantic and Scandinavia link up over Scotland Sun 19th (E-lies for England), this ridge weakening but still present until Sun 26th when LP begins to move down from Iceland reaching SW Approaches 985mb Mon 20th

ECM - like GFS but the trough moves E to Holland, not France, with the following rise in HP covering all Britain

GEFS - temps dropping (close) to norm Tue 14th (more of a steady decline in Scotland) this rising a little and staying there to Tue 27th, with good ens agreement to Tue 20th after which variation. Rain definite for 13th/14th looking showery throughout after that but very little in far NE.


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13 May 2024 07:17:50
WX temp predictions (based on GFS) are by no means stable.  Today's offering has, for week 1, has mild/warm weather intensifying around the S Baltic,  areas to the SW and E of this below norm, Britain just average. In week 2, there is a general increase in temp for W Europe reaching S England (Scotland simply mild) while colder air stays well east, pushing S along the line of the Urals. Rainfall pattern similar for both weeks; very dry for Scandinavia, but rain for S Britain, France, the Alps and in patches across the Balkans to Turkey. In conjunction with GFS this implies thunderstorms likely for England in week 2.

GFS Op - LP near Cornwall, deepest 990mb Tue, slowly filling and moving to France by Sat 18th, continuing to affect England while ridge of HP establishes from Atlantic to Norway including Scotland, with generally warm source of air for Britain. This pattern persists to Sun 26th but with the addition of LP in Biscay, This links with LP moving down from Iceland to set up a trough with much cooler weather by Tue 28th (the end of the BH weekend, what did you expect?)

ECM - similar to GFS but the LP 'in Biscay' develops earlier, Wed 22nd, and while not at that stage affecting Britain directly, prevents HP developing as strongly over Scotland, and thus the LP over France extends further N into Britain.

GEFS - good agreement of ens members on temps a little above norm in S, notably above in N, to Tue 21st after which the mean continues at norm, op and control warmer but a number of cold outliers appearing. Rain in small to moderate amounts throughout, heaviest and most persistent in S esp SW, patchy in NE and dry at first there but  a few runs with sharply heavier falls later.

 


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14 May 2024 06:38:32
WX temp predictions for once build on the previous day's charts. In week 1 the local 'heat island' in the S Baltic is more marked, Britain near norm, rest of W mild enough but below norm for time of year. The increase in warmth from the south is even more marked than shown yesterday, even hot over parts of France and Germany, fringing into England while the Baltic cools down. W Russia remains cool throughout. Very dry for S Scandinavia, week 1 rainfall from England through France to the Balkans, this area moving E-wards and shrinking in week 2.

GFS Op - LP currently off Cornwall, filling, spreading out and moving to France by Sat 18th, still close enough to affect England. Some rise of pressure close to NW Scotland, rather uncertain and giving way to slack LP for all of Britain by Thu 23rd before pressure rises Sat 25th and links to that which has been sitting over Sweden. Pressure than falls over the Atlantic and Scandinavia while Britain just about hangs on to warm HP but this fades out Thu 30th.

ECM - 0z available ATM to Tue 21st similar to GFS but LP over France a touch further N; 12z after this (may edit later) shows an Atlantic LP moving close to Ireland and projecting a trough across Britain EDIT - now much more like GFS, Atlantic LP no longer shown but the 'slack LP' rather more in evidence, moving from France N-wards up the N Sea to W of Norway Fri 24th with pressure rise behind

GEFS - temps close to or a few degrees above norm until Thu 23rd with good ens agreement but a wide spread of predictions ensues, both above and below norm with op and control going in opposite directions in the S but in the N both cool. Rain intermittent but frequent and persisting in the S; in the N mainly dry to the 23rd, then small amounts from time to time.

 


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Saint Snow
14 May 2024 07:42:57
Pressure building to the N and NE of the UK, then being shunted away by Atlantic lows is becoming a loosely recurring theme over the past month or so. Happens again in the 0z GFS

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Chunky Pea
14 May 2024 07:54:29
Rainy weather does seem to return quicker than normal this year, which is in contrast to previous years. A bigger, broader pattern change seems to have occurred sometime over the last 6 months or so. 
Patrick,

East Galway, Ireland.

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14 May 2024 10:29:44

Rainy weather does seem to return quicker than normal this year, which is in contrast to previous years. A bigger, broader pattern change seems to have occurred sometime over the last 6 months or so. 

Originally Posted by: Chunky Pea 

It very quickly turns to above average temperatures as well.  At least it has been doing in my neck of the woods.  
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15 May 2024 07:17:16
WX temps with minor variations from yesterday. The warm area near the S Baltic is still there in week 1, cooler both to east and west of this. In week 2, it becomes even warmer and is joined by warm/mild temps moving N over France and reaching E Britain. The rest of Britain stays near norm. In the east, NW Russia becomes quite cold. For both weeks, very dry over Scandinavia and the N Sea while a large wet area is covering France, the Alps and on to Greece, and just touching S Britain.

GFS Op - depression near Cornwall drifting SE-wards and becoming a broad area of LP over France and Germany by Sat 18th. Northern Britain has higher pressure as a link between HP on the Atlantic and HP over Scandinavia develops and is stronger or weaker depending on competition from the LP over the near continent. LP more influential Wed 22nd and Tue 28th, HP at other times but final frame Fri 31st shows a breakdown of HP as a trough from Iceland joins the mix.

ECM - similar to GFS until Thu 23rd when the ridge of HP moves further S and sets up over the Channel while a N Atlantic LP moves in 1000mb Western Isles Sat 25th with a trough extending S over Britain. By this stage the near continent has high rather than low pressure, contrasting with GFS.

GEFS - In S England, temps near or a little above norm to Thu 23rd with good ens agreement; after this a spread of about +/- 5C soon develops either side of the norm with op and control in opposite directions; small amounts of rain at any time. In Scotland and N England (the boundary somewhere N of Birmingham), temps above average at first declining to norm by Thu 23rd, thereafter a wider spread of temps; almost no rain until 23rd, then again small amounts of rain frequent but with some runs showing occasional heavier falls.

 


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Saint Snow
15 May 2024 12:51:27
Everything is a bit transient in the short-term.

GEM the pick of the FI bunch so far today, anchoring a high to our E/NE to bring in a SE'ly flow. GFS not terrible, with suggestions of a ridging AH. ECM not so good, with Atlantic lows making more progress over the UK.

 


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cultman1
15 May 2024 13:43:47
So with a looming bank holiday which option do you think is the likely outcome? 
Saint Snow
15 May 2024 13:54:39

So with a looming bank holiday which option do you think is the likely outcome? 

Originally Posted by: cultman1 

I always lean toward the Law of Sod


Martin

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Roger Parsons
15 May 2024 14:05:19

Everything is a bit transient in the short-term.

GEM the pick of the FI bunch so far today, anchoring a high to our E/NE to bring in a SE'ly flow. GFS not terrible, with suggestions of a ridging AH. ECM not so good, with Atlantic lows making more progress over the UK.

 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

I'm concentrating on Friday. We are booked on an RSPB birding cruise into "The Wash". 🦆😬🤢
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16 May 2024 07:17:50
WX temp charts similar to yesterday with the extra warmth over the S Baltic in week 1 spreading to the rest of W Europe in week 2, though not so markedly as before, and Britain catching less of it as temps here stay near norm. Still rather cool over W Russia. Rainfall pattern also much as yesterday, an area of rain England (perhaps a bit wetter than previously) - France - Balkans both weeks but less intense week 2. Very dry for Scandinavia and northern N Sea.

GFS Op - LP near SW Britain moving to France and staying there for a week, extensive enough to affect England, and a ridge of HP off NW Scotland. The LP is often positioned further N than yesterday e.g. Thu 23rd 1005mb E Anglia. On Sun 26th this is replaced by a new LP from the Atlantic setting up 1000mb off SW Ireland slowly filling but with HP far off over Iceland. Something of a warm S-ly flow.

ECM - rather like GFS but on Thu 23rd Lp extends even further N to affect all of England. After that however the HP is much closer to NW Scotland 1030mb Rockall Sun 26th.

GEFS - In the S, temps near norm, a little above at first, a little below in a week's time, and rain from time to time in most runs. In the N, starting rather more above norm but also cooling as the week progresses, and dry until the 23rd after which small amounts of rain intermittently. 


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Saint Snow
16 May 2024 08:46:19
What struck me about the 0z GFS was how some of the synoptics in that run look like they'd be great in January! Not the first time, obviously, but it always does leave me thinking "why can't the weather just play ball?" 🤣

Here at +156

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At +192

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+229 (fronts moving in from the SW into frigid air)

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White Meadows
17 May 2024 06:06:34
The early June monsoon looks set to continue in this mornings output. Particularly in the south. 

daytime max Temps poor, too. 

 

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17 May 2024 07:42:10
WX temps start from yesterday's position with an above average area from Scandinavia south to the Balkans (and especially warm around the Baltic) with cooler weather on either side. This extra warmth subsides to norm in week 2 as the areas to west (i.e. France) and east (i.e. W Russia) become warmer though in the former case not as much as yesterday. Britain watches from the sidelines with little change from the present. In week 1, very dry for Scandinavia and Spain, wet for most of continental Europe, Britain merely damp; week 2 the rain moves north from France to Britain which then links with the rest of Europe.

GFS Op - the charts begin with a wide area of LP over France affecting S Britain while the N is under a weak ridge of HP extending from the SW. By Tue 21st the continental LP has linked to another LP from Iceland generating a trough for Britain with HP to E & W. After a brief re-set, LP near Iceland again becomes active, beginning to control British weather from Sun 26th and getting closer 1000mb Ireland Thu 30th and swirling around NW Britain to Sun 2nd while there is some rise of pressure in the S.

ECM - differs from GFS after Tue 21st; the 'brief re-set' is instead a major rise of pressure 1025mb covering Britain Sat 25th, intensifying over Scotland Mon 27th with E/NE winds for England with a hint of something cold on the way from a Scandinavian LP.

GEFS - in the S, temps near norm, perhaps a little above at first, a little below near Fri 24th, mean then stays near norm but with a wide range of uncertainty, and small amounts of rain at any time. In the N, temps start above norm and steadily decline to norm shortly after 24th and then as above are uncertain; little rain until a major event Thu 23rd, and frequent small amounts after that

 


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Saint Snow
17 May 2024 09:40:56
Fair bit of divergence in the models this morning. The Atlantic remains active but there's a fair bit of high pressure around - I know this is stating the obvious, but it's the relative locations of each that causes the different outcomes.

GFS is by far the worst. It starts to build pressure from the SW before spinning some weird low formed over central Europe NW'wards over us, then brings in a trough to sit to our west, which first spawns a spin-off that moves over us, before the main trough joins it. Miserable throughout FI with high pressure kept to our NE and SW.

GEM not much better at first, as it also has that little Euro-low, this time moving NNW'wards to centre over the eastern part of England. But GEM then ridges the AH quite strongly over the southern UK at least as we move into FI

ECM the pick of the models for a dry evolution - although not very warm. Yes, the same Euro-low bothers us in the first half of next week, but ECM then migrates the AH first to the west of the UK, then centres it over northern Scotland before inflating it to cover all of the UK. It does then retrogress it a bit back northwards, but almost all the UK (barring the far South, perhaps) remains under the influence of the high with an easterly drift.

 


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Jiries
17 May 2024 10:33:30

Fair bit of divergence in the models this morning. The Atlantic remains active but there's a fair bit of high pressure around - I know this is stating the obvious, but it's the relative locations of each that causes the different outcomes.

GFS is by far the worst. It starts to build pressure from the SW before spinning some weird low formed over central Europe NW'wards over us, then brings in a trough to sit to our west, which first spawns a spin-off that moves over us, before the main trough joins it. Miserable throughout FI with high pressure kept to our NE and SW.

GEM not much better at first, as it also has that little Euro-low, this time moving NNW'wards to centre over the eastern part of England. But GEM then ridges the AH quite strongly over the southern UK at least as we move into FI

ECM the pick of the models for a dry evolution - although not very warm. Yes, the same Euro-low bothers us in the first half of next week, but ECM then migrates the AH first to the west of the UK, then centres it over northern Scotland before inflating it to cover all of the UK. It does then retrogress it a bit back northwards, but almost all the UK (barring the far South, perhaps) remains under the influence of the high with an easterly drift.

 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

What ever the unreliable rubbish models had been in this decade I still not seen a decent blue skies since last BH weekend.  Make you wonder the EV and Hybrid cars made matter worst than all fully petrolled cars in the past but still got lot of blue skies around.    If they are all unreliable best to ignore them and look from outside and plan your day ahead that the best you can do. as we had very lack of reliable forecast and models.

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17 May 2024 10:42:19
I was trying to make sense of the divergent ECM and GFS models this morning. I ended up taking a look at the average charts. I know you have to treat these carefully because they don't truly represent the different possible outcomes but longer term on the 0z charts they are not hugely different. At 192 hrs, i.e. beginning of the bank holiday weekend, they both show high pressure to the south east of the UK and low pressure to the north west, over Iceland and Greenland.

By 240 hrs, the anticyclone moves away and another one builds near the Azores. Meanwhile pressure remains lower to the north/north east of the UK and we move into a north westerly airflow. Through this time pressure remains reasonably high over the UK itself.

This would imply warm and fairly dry, then perhaps a cold front coming through, followed by cooler and fairly dry.

Time will tell if this is how it pans out!

 


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18 May 2024 07:31:43
WX temps - a very warm area around the S Baltic in week 1, as before, with cooler weather on either side. The difference this morning is that the warmer weather is now forecast to spread to all of western continental Europe in week 2. Britain stays near norm; N Scandinavia and W Russia cool. There is a very dry area over the Baltic in week 1, moving N-wards in week 2, followed by a wide band of rain starting in S Britain and C Europe week 1, to N Britain and N Europe week 2.

GFS Op - the synoptics start with HP over N Britain and LP over France but from Tue 21st the HP moves to Scandinavia while continental LP links to that near Iceland with a mostly shallow trough persisting across Britain. At first this trough mostly affects S Britain but with HP declining over Norway and rising over Germany, affecting the N from about Wed 29th (quite focused 995mb Donegal Sun 2nd)

ECM - unlike GFS, the trough does not persist with pressure rising over Britain resulting in a ridge lying along the Channel and shallow LP (1000mb) near or S of Iceland by Mon 27th.

GEFS - not unlike yesterday. In the S and SW, temps a little above then a little below norm then back again from Mon 27th with the usual variation then setting in; small amount of rain in most runs on many days. In Scotland, N and E England, dry until a major rain event Mon 27th, then again frequent small amounts of rain; temps declining slowly to norm by the same date and staying there.


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Saint Snow
18 May 2024 15:24:32

Fair bit of divergence in the models this morning. The Atlantic remains active but there's a fair bit of high pressure around - I know this is stating the obvious, but it's the relative locations of each that causes the different outcomes.

GFS is by far the worst. It starts to build pressure from the SW before spinning some weird low formed over central Europe NW'wards over us, then brings in a trough to sit to our west, which first spawns a spin-off that moves over us, before the main trough joins it. Miserable throughout FI with high pressure kept to our NE and SW.

GEM not much better at first, as it also has that little Euro-low, this time moving NNW'wards to centre over the eastern part of England. But GEM then ridges the AH quite strongly over the southern UK at least as we move into FI

ECM the pick of the models for a dry evolution - although not very warm. Yes, the same Euro-low bothers us in the first half of next week, but ECM then migrates the AH first to the west of the UK, then centres it over northern Scotland before inflating it to cover all of the UK. It does then retrogress it a bit back northwards, but almost all the UK (barring the far South, perhaps) remains under the influence of the high with an easterly drift.

 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 

Meh.

Both ECM and GEM worse than yesterday, taking high pressure settling just to our north rather off the menu. GFS not as bad as it was but still not good.


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19 May 2024 07:04:25
WX temps; week 1 still with the warm area in S Baltic, cooler either side; in week 2 this gets warmer still and milder air moves N over France to affect (esp W) Britain and only the far NE (i.e N Finland and N Russia) stay cold. Main area of Pptn is continental W Europe, Britain on the edge of this and looking wet for S England in week 2. Dry for Scandinavia and northern N Sea, and also Spain.

GFS Op - LP for continent, HP ridge on SW-NE axis near/over Scotland, the latter weakening at times as troughs cross it (Wed 22nd 1005mb moving N over N Sea, Sun 26th 1010mb moving SE near Cornwall, Mon 3rd more general LP from France affecting S England)

ECM - similar to GFS but ridge of HP less established (LP Wed 22nd moves across Scotland; that on Sun 26th hangs around the NW for a day or two before filling)

GEFS - in the S, temp near norm at first, becoming warmer around the beginning of June and rain from time to time in various ens members; in the N temp declining to norm by 23rd, rain event at that time and smaller amounts thereafter (but dry in far NE)


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Saint Snow
19 May 2024 18:51:44
GFS continues to be a horror show.

It keeps the theme of spawning a very active low over Central Europe, then sending it northwards up the North Sea to give all the UK a soaking as we go through this week. The AH ridges quite far northwards - but to the west of the UK.

By the end of the week, it's planted a fat trough to the west of Ireland where it sits for days in end, spinning fronts over the UK from the SW.

It then inches the trough eastwards to sit over the UK through FI.

ECM and GEM both have the same initial evolution - but with stronger ridging of the AH. As the fat Atlantic trough moves in, they both split the ridged AH and place the northerly lobe to our NE - both then show the trough moving towards then over the UK (GEM has it less active in terms of fronts than the other two)

Not very encouraging over the next 10-14 days.

 


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