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polarwind
10 July 2023 07:31:00

The rain in Spain falls mainly in Zaragoza it seems...
https://www.theguardian.com/weather/video/2023/jul/07/spain-zaragoza-floods-sweep-cars-away-torrential-rain-video-report 
 

Originally Posted by: Ulric 



Not just rain but also... Hail - a lot of it!

See -  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-66140574  

Very interesting scenes.
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polarwind
10 July 2023 14:54:57

  Severe flooding in several areas around the world - see -

  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-india-66151375
   
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-66150950
   
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-asia-india-61996296 
  https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/new-york-flash-flooding-kills-30427979
   
https://www.albawaba.com/news/natures-fury-hits-turkey-again-1525979
   
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2023/jul/10/heavy-rains-cause-flooding-and-mudslides-in-southw/

   

  The question is whether the flooding as of the present, is representative of the normal or average distribution of world floods at this       time of the year?
  This is not an easy question to answer, given that reporting of floods around the world, as I understand it and have previously read, has for the past decade or two, been much better and thorough than in the past.
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"If climate science is sound and accurate, then it should be able to respond effectively to all the points raised…." - Grandad
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts". - Bertrand Russell
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
"A consensus means that everyone agrees to say collectively what no one believes individually.”- Abba Eban, Israeli diplomat
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GezM
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11 July 2023 12:45:32
I missed this news last week - hottest day globally ever recorded. I believe that the data used is based on a combination of model output and actual 2M temperature data but it appears to be homogeneous so is presumably accurate for comparative purposes. 

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/07/05/world/hottest-day-world-climate-el-nino-intl/index.html 


 
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GezM
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11 July 2023 13:03:15
And just for some balance. Snowfall in Johannesburg ...

https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2023/7/10/rare-snowfall-in-parts-of-south-africa 
 
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DEW
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13 July 2023 06:11:45
Mediterranean heatwave making the mainstream news - must be serious
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66183069 
 
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Saint Snow
13 July 2023 11:11:11

Mediterranean heatwave making the mainstream news - must be serious
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-66183069 
 

Originally Posted by: DEW 




The southerly-displaced jet (due to HLB) bottling the heat in the Med, no allowing it to dissipate northwards.

Meanwhile, In Vermont...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/12/montpelier-vermont-flood-rain-damage 

 

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Rob K
13 July 2023 19:23:02
Death Valley could challenge the world record temperature over the weekend. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2023/07/13/heatwave-california-arizona-florida-texas-records/ 
 
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Jiries
14 July 2023 05:07:06

Death Valley could challenge the world record temperature over the weekend. 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/weather/2023/07/13/heatwave-california-arizona-florida-texas-records/ 
 

Originally Posted by: Rob K 



That what summer is all about instead of brutal cold unsettled weather hitting the UK this weekend and non stop.  Will be very interesting to observe Death Valley and Nicosia this weekend and Cyprus also in a heatwave.   Seem heat domes started forming in 2021 in W Canada and NW USA.  
Jiries
14 July 2023 05:14:41

The southerly-displaced jet (due to HLB) bottling the heat in the Med, no allowing it to dissipate northwards.

Meanwhile, In Vermont...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/12/montpelier-vermont-flood-rain-damage 

 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 



Same in USA unfortunately as checking Toronto is looking cooler and below average temps as heat trapped in southern states.  This jet stream are refusing to back down and stuck in straight line keeping north of that unsettled and cool foreseeable.  Toronto and London are in wrong side at the moment cutting off our rightly summer season. 
Saint Snow
14 July 2023 08:55:00
Heard that the Canaries have had some days with the temp hitting 40c.

We've used the Canaries for summer holidays when we've had to go in the school summer holidays (as Med places can get too hot) and always had temps around 30c, which is just pleasant enough (especially with the breeze), but 40c is baking. We were in Malta at the end of June/beginning of July last year in 40c and it was crippling 

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johncs2016
14 July 2023 08:59:26

Heard that the Canaries have had some days with the temp hitting 40c.

We've used the Canaries for summer holidays when we've had to go in the school summer holidays (as Med places can get too hot) and always had temps around 30c, which is just pleasant enough (especially with the breeze), but 40c is baking. We were in Malta at the end of June/beginning of July last year in 40c and it was crippling 

Originally Posted by: Saint Snow 



That's where Gavin P. is currently taking some time away from Gavs Weather Towers to enjoy a well deserved break.

Let's hope that he's not melting away too much in that heat.
 
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15 July 2023 14:24:05
Perhaps the title of this thread is no longer appropriate

S Korea floods leave at least 20 dead as thousands forced to evacuate
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-66209578 
Rob
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polarwind
15 July 2023 15:35:28

How about 'Unusual or Extreme World Weather'?




Perhaps the title of this thread is no longer appropriate

S Korea floods leave at least 20 dead as thousands forced to evacuate
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-66209578 

Originally Posted by: RobN 


"The professional standards of science must impose a framework of discipline and at the same time encourage rebellion against it". – Michael Polyani (1962)
"If climate science is sound and accurate, then it should be able to respond effectively to all the points raised…." - Grandad
"The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts". - Bertrand Russell
"Science is the belief in the ignorance of the experts" – Richard Feynman
"A consensus means that everyone agrees to say collectively what no one believes individually.”- Abba Eban, Israeli diplomat
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CreweCold
16 July 2023 04:17:08
People seem to be moaning a lot but it looks to me like we've dodged a bullet so far this summer.

Look at the issues ongoing across parts of America and S Europe-people dropping dead due to things like heat stress etc.
The last few years have taught us that we can no longer get 'bog standard' heatwaves which are fairly pleasant...year on year the temperatures during our hot spells are getting hotter and hotter, which culminated in a record of 40+C last summer. Upper air temperatures seem to be increasing yearly and spreading further N and expanding across larger areas of the mid latitudes. If we're going to start experiencing heat on such levels going forward then we need to have the infrastructure in place...and that means making sure that everyone has access to fairly priced air conditioning etc.

Given a choice between dangerously high temperatures and the weather we've had for the past 3 weeks or so, I'd choose the latter every time.

I hope I'm very wrong but I feel we've now gone past the tipping point with regards to climate change. The constant pushing of the heat boundaries over the past few years and the speed at which we're breaking records is evidence enough to me that this can't be turned around easily. Even if global emissions were cut to 0 tomorrow, we've probably got a decade or two of turn around time to go through due to climate feedbacks already in motion (think excess heat stored in the oceans etc).

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Retron
16 July 2023 05:12:38

People seem to be moaning a lot but it looks to me like we've dodged a bullet so far this summer.

Given a choice between dangerously high temperatures and the weather we've had for the past 3 weeks or so, I'd choose the latter every time.

I hope I'm very wrong but I feel we've now gone past the tipping point with regards to climate change.

Originally Posted by: CreweCold 


We have indeed dodged a bullet. I know the heat-hounds over on the MO thread are moaning, but it's far better to have moderate temperatures and rain - for those lucky enough to be getting it - than the "canicule" style weather they're experiencing in southern Europe. It's interesting that not many weeks ago those same areas that are now baking were being deluged with rain, the anomaly charts for bits of Italy etc on wxmaps were off the scale!

It's all part of the process which we've seen since the late 80s IMO, that's when the "onwards and upwards" switch seemed to be flicked. Out went proper winters, in came heat records... and increasing in frequency too (i.e. it took 79 years for the 1911 record to be beaten, in 1990; the record has since been broken multiple times in the past 33 years). There's the odd throwback to the old norms, but they're now very much the exception.

Ass you say, even if all emissions were stopped tomorrow we're stuck with this for decades. As that won't happen, the best thing to do is prepare for the inevitable heat to come - make sure that we are equipped as a nation to deal with it. A/C will be a big feature, of course, and the key will be powering that in as eco-friendly a way as possible (which will be fun, with all the cars and non-reversible heat-pumps being installed).

It always used to irritate me, as a kid, when the first global warming articles were published. "Ooh, lovely", said the common man, "It'll be like the Med - bring it on!"
Well, they've got their wish - and even last year, they carried on. "Red warning for heat? Stuff that, it's called 'summer'", went many a comment locally.
Even recently, when the Met Office has been issuing press releases about the warmth in June etc, the comments pages on the papers, Twitter etc fill up with people outright denying it's been warm. It's most odd!

And talking of heat, the Beeb has an article about the effects of the heat in America, with Death Valley forecast to reach 54C. I'm actually pleased they're seeing the effects over there - as, Alaska aside (where they're very much concerned about climate change), they've seen less detrimental effects than elsewhere.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66195722 

 
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scillydave
16 July 2023 14:07:40
Hottest day in Chinese history today with 52.2c which shatters the old record by nearly 2c.
It's also smashed the record for any location above 40* North.
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Ally Pally Snowman
17 July 2023 08:57:10

Hottest day in Chinese history today with 52.2c which shatters the old record by nearly 2c.
It's also smashed the record for any location above 40* North.

Originally Posted by: scillydave 



Some crazy temps all around the world atm. If we can ever get a favourable set up here again this summer it could get very hot still.
 
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Charmhills
17 July 2023 09:23:02

Hottest day in Chinese history today with 52.2c which shatters the old record by nearly 2c.
It's also smashed the record for any location above 40* North.

Originally Posted by: scillydave 



Yet 6 months ago the same place recorded a record low of -53c☃
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Gandalf The White
17 July 2023 09:24:34

Some crazy temps all around the world atm. If we can ever get a favourable set up here again this summer it could get very hot still.
 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 



I certainly hope not.  You can keep your 30c+ temperatures for days on end; our homes are not designed to deal with that and neither are we.
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ozone_aurora
17 July 2023 09:29:38

Yet 6 months ago the same place recorded a record low of -53c☃

Originally Posted by: Charmhills 


Yes, that's temperate continental climate for you.
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