Lionel Hutz
18 January 2020 18:08:31

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


 


Scandinavia is doing just fine


 


https://www.snow-forecast.com/maps/dynamic/scand?over=none&symbols=snow&type=snow.last7days


 



Hardly. That map shows Southern Sweden and Southern Finland free of snow. 


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Bertwhistle
18 January 2020 18:20:32

Originally Posted by: Lionel Hutz 


 


Hardly. That map shows Southern Sweden and Southern Finland free of snow. 



Yes but that's not really where the ski resorts are. More significant is the coverage of 1-10cm snow where many of the resorts are.  Skiing on those kinds of snow depths is at best uncomfortable and at worst impossible.


Edit: completely off piste. Sorry.


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tallyho_83
18 January 2020 18:32:25

Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


 


Yes but that's not really where the ski resorts are. More significant is the coverage of 1-10cm snow where many of the resorts are.  Skiing on those kinds of snow depths is at best uncomfortable and at worst impossible.


Edit: completely off piste. Sorry.



Many parts of eastern Europe are snow free  in fact all of Europe except maybe balkans but gosh this is a really snowfree Europe. The UKRAINE, Baltics, Eastern Europe and western Russia, Saint Petersburg & Moscow are snow free.


Half of Sweden is snow free - very rare to see so little snow given it's January!?


 



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Bertwhistle
18 January 2020 18:34:39

Originally Posted by: tallyho_83 


 


Many parts of eastern Europe are snow free  in fact all of Europe except maybe balkans but gosh this is a really snowfree Europe. The UKRAINE, Baltics, Eastern Europe and western Russia, Saint Petersburg & Moscow are snow free.


Half of Sweden is snow free - very rare in middle of January!?


 




Iran looks frosty but inconsistent on your map Tally.


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Whether Idle
18 January 2020 19:11:05

I quite like the ECM 12 z run.  Nowt spectacular, just not often stupidly mild.  Cold in northern Scotland in deep FI on a WNWly!


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picturesareme
18 January 2020 19:30:02

Originally Posted by: Bertwhistle 


 


Yes but that's not really where the ski resorts are. More significant is the coverage of 1-10cm snow where many of the resorts are.  Skiing on those kinds of snow depths is at best uncomfortable and at worst impossible.


Edit: completely off piste. Sorry.



That's not snow depths. It's how much has fallen in previous days. In the previous 7 days some mountainous parts of southern norway have seen between 150cm-250cm fall.. good for skiing wouldn't you say?

Sasa
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18 January 2020 19:44:45

snow cover in Europe, Its dire:


https://www.ventusky.com/?p=51.9;12.1;4&l=snow 

Never seen anything like this
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Whether Idle
18 January 2020 19:50:05

I think the ECM is very promising by the standards of this winter.  Hey ho, its only the MO thread.


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doctormog
18 January 2020 19:51:54

Originally Posted by: Sasa 

snow cover in Europe, Its dire:


https://www.ventusky.com/?p=51.9;12.1;4&l=snow

Never seen anything like this


Yes, and this (below) shows the positive and negative anomalies. Our loss seems to be Central Asia’s gain https://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/chart_daily.php?ui_year=2020&ui_day=17&ui_set=2 


doctormog
18 January 2020 19:53:46

Originally Posted by: Whether Idle 


I think the ECM is very promising by the standards of this winter.  Hey ho, its only the MO thread.



Perhaps, although not dissimilar charts have appeared and disappeared a few times this winter. If it progresses with time in a consistent way it will be more of interest I think.


Whether Idle
18 January 2020 19:59:49

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


 


Yes, and this (below) shows the positive and negative anomalies. Our loss seems to be Central Asia’s gain https://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/chart_daily.php?ui_year=2020&ui_day=17&ui_set=2 



No snow here = no anomaly


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Devonian
18 January 2020 21:49:38

Originally Posted by: four 

There's often a few mild spring-like days at Candlemass


Great! Perhaps it will give me relief from the daily battle to get through the Dartmoor snowdrifts to work!


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fairweather
18 January 2020 22:00:36

Originally Posted by: doctormog 


 


Yes, and this (below) shows the positive and negative anomalies. Our loss seems to be Central Asia’s gain https://climate.rutgers.edu/snowcover/chart_daily.php?ui_year=2020&ui_day=17&ui_set=2 



been monitoring this all winter. Moscow  has been virtually snow free all winter except for the odd short incursion. I am sure this is unheard of by the end of January even in their recent mild winters, Everything seems to have shifted East. Maybe in a decade's time we will pick up some of Canada's scraps!


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Bugglesgate
18 January 2020 22:02:32

Originally Posted by: Devonian 


 


Great! Perhaps it will give me relief from the daily battle to get through the Dartmoor snowdrifts to work!



Had a "winter experience" this morning when I lost traction on black ice  on a stretch of road - managed  not to hit anything or end up in a ditch.  Was on a minor road, so fair enough.   Saw a couple of nasty accidents  though on the main A339 that were almost certainly ice related.  I think the   benign  weather so far  has lulled  the LA  gritters into torpor around here.


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LeedsLad123
18 January 2020 22:26:37

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


 


Scandinavia is doing just fine


 


https://www.snow-forecast.com/maps/dynamic/scand?over=none&symbols=snow&type=snow.last7days


 



half of Sweden and Finland completely snow-free in the middle of the coldest month of the year on average isn’t ‘doing fine’. Helsinki, Stockholm and Oslo are all expected to reach 6-7C over the next week, when average highs are below freezing. Even up north it’s much milder than average with unremarkable snow depths.


The Baltic states are doing terribly too, with all of Estonia, Latvia sand Lithuania free of snow.. its a dreadful winter for snow all over a Europe.


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Lionel Hutz
18 January 2020 22:33:37

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


 


That's not snow depths. It's how much has fallen in previous days. In the previous 7 days some mountainous parts of southern norway have seen between 150cm-250cm fall.. good for skiing wouldn't you say?



OT, but I think that I misinterpreted your original post - as Bertwhistle also pointed out!


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tallyho_83
18 January 2020 23:35:17

18z ensembles for London - a lot of scatter come end of January:



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DEW
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19 January 2020 07:26:43

Jetstream meandering this week, forming a cut-off low over Iberia by Tue. Branch to the N of UK resumes fairly soon, then briefly splitting next weekend before roaring strongly directly across the UK the following week. Hints of more cut-offs after that i.e from Mon 3rd.


In line with above, GFS has changed its outlook and only keeps the anticyclone around for this week (yesterday's forecast was for two weeks) and the HP's just about gone by Fri 24th. For the following week, strong zonal flow with occasional brief but deep embedded disturbances bringing some quite cold air from the NW (Mon 27th, 945mb, Rockall; Thu 30th, 945 mb, Shetland; Sat 1st, 990mb, Irish Sea). End of run, it can't decide - Mon 3rd high pressure but Tue 4th large low pressure heading down from Iceland.


ECM agrees, but the disturbances are less deep and further north.


GEFS less certain than yesterday. In the S, cool for a couple of days, then 1-2C above normal to Sat 25th after which a wide scatter but the mean is around the seasonal norm, and more indication than yesterday of rain from Mon 27th. In the N the mildness and the scatter are more pronounced and the far N (Inverness) has a lot of rain/snow in week 2 with daily snow row figures in the teens every day from 26th Jan. 


 


For  followers of the 'three weeks after the East Coast of N America' model, Newfoundland has just had a record snowfall of 30".


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nsrobins
19 January 2020 08:05:55

Originally Posted by: DEW 


For  followers of the 'three weeks after the East Coast of N America' model, Newfoundland has just had a record snowfall of 30".



And the earth is flat and David Icke is running for Prime Minister.


(good summary by the way).


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Bertwhistle
19 January 2020 08:40:03

Originally Posted by: picturesareme 


 


That's not snow depths. It's how much has fallen in previous days. In the previous 7 days some mountainous parts of southern norway have seen between 150cm-250cm fall.. good for skiing wouldn't you say?



Not if its inaccessible and out of resort. Now look at the snow conditions box on the right. "Good piste: zero. Powder: zero." Slushy, sticky muck. 


Really, not good for skiing. 


Back to models, and the GFS suite continues to lack excitement outside of the pressure pattern. The fax charts offer 1050mb right over us here. In my recording history I don't think I've exceeded 1048 ever- started recording in '81 so perhaps someone could correct me for CS England?


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