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Karl Guille
26 January 2019 22:38:33

What odds on a Scandi developing from here?


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tallyho_83
26 January 2019 22:42:24

What odds on a Scandi developing from here?

Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 

Ziluch giving our luck this winter! Maybe we could be in for a surprise - certainly a quieter spell in the N. Atlantic  at that time and that LP to our west at 240z looks like stalling and weakening all the time!.


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beanoir
26 January 2019 22:42:42

This place really confuses me sometimes 😜. I’ve been a member since circa 2003/4. I can vividly remember tracking a toppler northerly, on this website, that gave a good 3/4inches of snow in Sheffield, when I was at University there. Even back then, there was plenty of discussion from the members about the fabled channel low and how rare they were, but how much snow they could give, especially for place like Portsmouth. Now we have one potentially forecast at T72 and there is quite a muted response to it, what gives?! Yes it may not happen, but to have the possibility at T72, surely that’s something to discuss in depth. IT COULD, *COULD* be a classic.....🤣

Originally Posted by: Deep Powder 

Channel sliders just aren't that trendy anymore.... 

#beastfromtheeastisgettingoldtoonow


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Gooner
26 January 2019 22:48:32

Skipping all the short term drama of will it wont it 

Ive been watching the far reaches of FI for the last few runs , interesting developments , worth keeping an eye on


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Banbury

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Phil G
26 January 2019 22:50:11

GFS 18z remarkably consistent with the 12z at 138hrs!

Originally Posted by: Karl Guille 

Yes was thinking the same as if they had just changed the time at the top.

tallyho_83
26 January 2019 22:55:12

Skipping all the short term drama of will it wont it 

Ive been watching the far reaches of FI for the last few runs , interesting developments , worth keeping an eye on

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

 

ON the 18z OP run the Azores HP tries to make it to Iceland & even Greenland finally! (where it should be!)

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU18_348_1.png

http://www.wetterzentrale.de/maps/GFSOPEU18_360_1.png

 

 


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Chiltern Blizzard
26 January 2019 23:21:17
Ice day for many on Wednesday according to 18z GFS Para!
Rendlesham, Suffolk 20m asl
Retron
27 January 2019 07:18:18

There's something I've not seen before for MBY... a "three snowflake" symbol on xcweather. ECM is much less snowy, although that does show some snow Tuesday into Wednesday. Both models currently have Thursday's event as rain here, with snow further north (the Midlands).

 


Leysdown, north Kent
Ally Pally Snowman
27 January 2019 07:22:34

All looked a bit meh this morning until the ECM produced a stunningly cold.run . With the major low going SE . 


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Retron
27 January 2019 07:32:00

All looked a bit meh this morning until the ECM produced a stunningly cold.run . With the major low going SE . 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Stunningly cold? I must be looking at a different run to you - I would describe "stunningly cold" as equalling the -2 and -3 daytime highs we saw last February. Instead it's a couple to a few degrees above zero generally, with milder weather into the south over the weekend.

Here are the 2M temperatures for Wednesday afternoon, for example:

https://weather.us/model-charts/euro/england/temperature/20190130-1500z.html

 


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Ally Pally Snowman
27 January 2019 07:39:18

 

Stunningly cold? I must be looking at a different run to you - I would describe "stunningly cold" as equalling the -2 and -3 daytime highs we saw last February. Instead it's a couple to a few degrees above zero generally, with milder weather into the south over the weekend.

Here are the 2M temperatures for Wednesday afternoon, for example:

https://weather.us/model-charts/euro/england/temperature/20190130-1500z.html

 

Originally Posted by: Retron 

 

OK not stunningly cold , but its the best run this morning by quite along way. I think we can forget the first low next week thats going into France its the larger one after that could be the major snow maker. 

 


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doctormog
27 January 2019 07:39:47
Again things are looking all rather marginal onthe models this morning, generally cold yes but still perhaps not quite “cold enough”. Or even more frustratingly when it is cold enough for some there is no precipitation.
Retron
27 January 2019 07:47:26

OK not stunningly cold , but its the best run this morning by quite along way. I think we can forget the first low next week thats going into France its the larger one after that could be the major snow maker.

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

Hmm, I guess it depends where you are. For exmaple:

  • I won't be forgetting the first low next week, as it's been showing a period of snow down here on Tuesday night into Wednesday consistently since Friday's 6z GFS. It may correct southwards, of course, but the models have been unusually consistent with its snow-bringing potential.
  • The GFS, compared to ECM, is much snowier this morning - with snow around next weekend. ECM just has a not-very-cold northerly instead, with rain showers clipping the east: https://weather.us/model-charts/euro/england/significant-weather/20190203-0600z.html

Leysdown, north Kent
Ally Pally Snowman
27 January 2019 07:48:01

Again things are looking all rather marginal onthe models this morning, generally cold yes but still perhaps not quite “cold enough”. Or even more frustratingly when it is cold enough for some there is no precipitation.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

 

Have to say its looking incredibly complex next week regarding snow. Forecasters nightmare . Wouldnt believe any forecast its a nowcast situation


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Ally Pally Snowman
27 January 2019 07:51:34

 

Hmm, I guess it depends where you are. For exmaple:

  • I won't be forgetting the first low next week, as it's been showing a period of snow down here on Tuesday night into Wednesday consistently since Friday's 6z GFS. It may correct southwards, of course, but the models have been unusually consistent with its snow-bringing potential.
  • The GFS, compared to ECM, is much snowier this morning - with snow around next weekend. ECM just has a not-very-cold northerly instead, with rain showers clipping the east: https://weather.us/model-charts/euro/england/significant-weather/20190203-0600z.html

Originally Posted by: Retron 

 

Fair enough , as I say its an incredibly messy set up next week . Its a now cast job. 


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DEW
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27 January 2019 07:55:45

Beast from the East sitting growling over far eastern Europe but needs someone from synoptics to come along and let it off the leash

http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/temp4

In the meantime, a succession of cold Atlantic lows promise marginal snow for some (tricky to forecast, as has been said), but even that on a 'here today, gone tomorrow' basis.


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Retron
27 January 2019 07:56:31

Fair enough , as I say its an incredibly messy set up next week . Its a now cast job. 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

It is indeed. At least the good news for snow fans is that with all these fronts around the risk of widespread snow (if it's cold enough!) is higher than it'd normally be - and I'd say as it stands you'd have to be very unlucky not to have seen some snow falling by this time next week.

The T+72 "fax" chart shows this well:

http://old.wetterzentrale.de/pics/brack2.gif

 

 


Leysdown, north Kent
Brian Gaze
27 January 2019 07:59:02

GEFS continues to be at odds with the MetO extended outlook. You'd expect one to buckle sooner rather than later.


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Tim A
27 January 2019 08:11:32

 

 

OK not stunningly cold , but its the best run this morning by quite along way. I think we can forget the first low next week thats going into France its the larger one after that could be the major snow maker. 

 

Originally Posted by: Ally Pally Snowman 

 

Many models show a band of snow on Tue night crossing most of England. Not the low as such but associated trough.  So whilst the actual low does look like going south there are still snow opportunities across a wider area Tue night. 


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doctormog
27 January 2019 08:13:46

Beast from the East sitting growling over far eastern Europe but needs someone from synoptics to come along and let it off the leash

http://www.wxmaps.org/pix/temp4

In the meantime, a succession of cold Atlantic lows promise marginal snow for some (tricky to forecast, as has been said), but even that on a 'here today, gone tomorrow' basis.

Originally Posted by: DEW 

The colder than average conditions certainly don’t look like a “here today, gone tomorrow” situation generally in the U.K. and more specifically in the north (a sub -2°C mean temperature over the next week in parts). The cold anomalies (Russia excepted) are across Western Europe, with much of Scotland colder than much of Poland on average over the next week.

For information, these observations and the link above are based solely on the GFS 00z operational run and other models are available. 


roadrunnerajn
27 January 2019 08:14:30
OK I know it’s in FI and it’s only been shown on the GFS on 3 runs out of the last 12 but as the GFS goes 16 days I do hope it’s not picking up a trend.

With extremely cold air over Canada the model seems to want to intensify the jet whilst allowing the Azores to ridge into Europe creating spring like temperatures but with cloud and drizzle.


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Brian Gaze
27 January 2019 08:16:21

A lot of scatter at the end of ECM ENS.


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Gooner
27 January 2019 08:36:51

There's something I've not seen before for MBY... a "three snowflake" symbol on xcweather. ECM is much less snowy, although that does show some snow Tuesday into Wednesday. Both models currently have Thursday's event as rain here, with snow further north (the Midlands).

 

Originally Posted by: Retron 

Likewise for Banbury but for Thursday I have Snow ( 3cm) with a return to drizzle , will be an interesting week for sure 


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Banbury

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DEW
  • DEW
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27 January 2019 08:46:12

 

The colder than average conditions certainly don’t look like a “here today, gone tomorrow” situation generally in the U.K. and more specifically in the north (a sub -2°C mean temperature over the next week in parts). The cold anomalies (Russia excepted) are across Western Europe, with much of Scotland colder than much of Poland on average over the next week.

For information, these observations and the link above are based solely on the GFS 00z operational run and other models are available. 

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

I haven't spotted the 'parts' where the -2C mean applies, but a review of several forecasts suggests temps in populated parts of Scotland to be 5C/-2C (day/night) down to southern England 7c/1c. Below average, sure, and snow quite possible, but then melting again except at altitude - and the synoptic charts (GFS and ECM) repeatedly bring in a cold low from the NW followed by less cold weather for a day or so (not to say that I'm not watching the unpredictable channel low on Tue with interest)

There are indeed small cold anomalies across western Europe, but the BIG cold anomalies referred to in my original post are those, as you say, in Russia. Until that source of air reaches us, any snow outside mountainous regions will be wet and inclined to thaw, not 'deep and crisp and even'.


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doctormog
27 January 2019 08:57:08

 

I haven't spotted the 'parts' where the -2C mean applies, but a review of several forecasts suggests temps in populated parts of Scotland to be 5C/-2C (day/night) down to southern England 7c/1c. Below average, sure, and snow quite possible, but then melting again except at altitude - and the synoptic charts (GFS and ECM) repeatedly bring in a cold low from the NW followed by less cold weather for a day or so (not to say that I'm not watching the unpredictable channel low on Tue with interest)

There are indeed small cold anomalies across western Europe, but the BIG cold anomalies referred to in my original post are those, as you say, in Russia. Until that source of air reaches us, any snow outside mountainous regions will be wet and inclined to thaw, not 'deep and crisp and even'.

Originally Posted by: DEW 

Have a look in the top image, the “parts” are a about half of Scottish mainland, easy to miss I know but look a little north of the Watford Gap if you can it may help. 

As for a forecast of 5°C through the week here? It is unlikely to reach that here today and the rest of the week is forecast to be colder. 

So yes a colder than average outlook across much of W Europe and notably cold across much of Scotland based on the chart you linked to. I’m not sure why you felt the need to start talking about forecasts based on other data when my comments were based on hose charts and I made that explicitly clear.


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