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backtobasics
27 January 2019 08:57:32

There's something I've not seen before for MBY... a "three snowflake" symbol on xcweather. ECM is much less snowy, although that does show some snow Tuesday into Wednesday. Both models currently have Thursday's event as rain here, with snow further north (the Midlands).

 

Originally Posted by: Retron 

 

Can anyone confirm which model do xcweather use ? Thanks Andy

beanoir
27 January 2019 09:02:37

 

Likewise for Banbury but for Thursday I have Snow ( 3cm) with a return to drizzle , will be an interesting week for sure 

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

according to this website, my town gets 9.8cm on Tuesday evening!? I don’t actually believe it 


Langford, Bedfordshire
Retron
27 January 2019 09:06:36

Can anyone confirm which model do xcweather use ? Thanks Andy

Originally Posted by: backtobasics 

It's the GFS op run.


Leysdown, north Kent
doctormog
27 January 2019 09:14:25

The 06z ICON which is currently coming out has Tuesday’s feature further south

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/icon/run/icon-0-54.png?27-06


Whether Idle
27 January 2019 09:15:52

 

 

There are indeed small cold anomalies across western Europe, but the BIG cold anomalies referred to in my original post are those, as you say, in Russia. Until that source of air reaches us, any snow outside mountainous regions will be wet and inclined to thaw, not 'deep and crisp and even'.

Originally Posted by: DEW 

Correct from my experience. 7cms of snow Wednesday morning round here had disappeared to nowt by 6pm Friday.


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JACKO4EVER
27 January 2019 09:23:11
A real mixed bag again this morning, some snow about next week but it looks very marginal in places. Large inter model discrepancies- caution should be the word.
Solar Cycles
27 January 2019 09:24:33

The 06z ICON which is currently coming out has Tuesday’s feature further south

http://modeles.meteociel.fr/modeles/icon/run/icon-0-54.png?27-06

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

I’d be more inclined to go with the ECM over the lesser model for this sort of set up doc.

Gooner
27 January 2019 09:25:06

 

according to this website, my town gets 9.8cm on Tuesday evening!? I don’t actually believe it 

Originally Posted by: beanoir 

Sounds possible IMO


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Marcus

Banbury

North Oxfordshire

378 feet A S L



Gandalf The White
27 January 2019 09:27:37

So, in a nutshell, little change overnight. A very messy, marginal situation for the week ahead. Plenty of precipitation around; marginal uppers.  I’d be amazed if some places didn’t get a reasonable snowfall but it’s not - and never has been - a big freeze, so it’s unlikely to hang around on the ground for days.

If I were a forecaster I think I’d be booking the week off because it’s going to be very tricky to get right.


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beanoir
27 January 2019 09:29:27

 

 

Sounds possible IMO

Originally Posted by: Gooner 

I wonder if a drive back from Bristol Tuesday evening would be best avoided.. 

It’s difficult to make any travel plans, the models are not really being much help in the traditional ‘reliable’ period 


Langford, Bedfordshire
doctormog
27 January 2019 09:30:14

I’d be more inclined to go with the ECM over the lesser model for this sort of set up doc.

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 

Perhaps but given the timescales I would watch each model’s output to look for a trend. The GFS 06z run will be out soon. 

We will have to wait until this evening for the next ECM update.

At least up here the mostly dry and cold/very cold week looks a bit more certain with precipitation harder to come by. In the south it’s a big risk for a big reward potential scenario and not one I’d like to call at this range.


Solar Cycles
27 January 2019 09:31:26

 

Perhaps but given the timescales I would watch each model’s output to look for a trend. The GFS 06z run will be out soon. 

We will have to wait until this evening for the next ECM update.

At least up here the mostly dry and cold/very cold week looks a bit more certain with precipitation harder to come by. In the south it’s a big risk for a big reward potential scenario and not one I’d like to call at this range.

Originally Posted by: doctormog 

Sound advice.👍🏻

Retron
27 January 2019 09:38:27

Looks like a shift downwards in temperatures from both the 6z UKV and the 0z EPS, at least down here.

The former now has a much stronger snow (rather than sleet) signal for the early hours on Wednesday, while the EPS now has mean maxima for London of 3C from Wednesday to Saturday inclusive, with 4C for Sunday. The 12z suite had 4C for Wednesday, 5C from Thursday to Saturday and 4C for Sunday.

One or two degrees may not seem like much, but it makes a heck of a difference when you're in such a marginal situation.

PS - the op ECM was not well supported by day 10; its afternoon London high of 8.5C compares with a mean maximum of 3.6 (and a 90th percentile of 6.9C.)

https://weather.us/forecast/2643743-london/ensemble/euro

EDIT: By the weekend the 10th percentile snow depth for London is 1cm. The statisticians amongst you will know what that means.


Leysdown, north Kent
doctormog
27 January 2019 09:41:54
Joe Bloggs
27 January 2019 09:45:22

Sound advice.👍🏻

Originally Posted by: Solar Cycles 

Yesterday it was looking very good for our patch. Today still ok but Irish Sea convection opportunities have become more limited.

Beware low pressure systems/disturbances popping up in the south of England - they will probably not get this far north, and they cut off our opportunity for snow showers.

Note that Wednesday is now looking completely dry here. 

doctormog
27 January 2019 09:47:37

The 06z GFS op seems largely unchanged for Tuesday compared with the previous op run 


Ally Pally Snowman
27 January 2019 09:50:18

Both Beeb and Met O forecasts have indeed gone colder snowier this week. Imby both have significant snow event Wednesday morning. forecasts will change but highlights the possibilities 


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27 January 2019 09:53:34

 

 

Can anyone confirm which model do xcweather use ? Thanks Andy

Originally Posted by: backtobasics 

Andy, xcweather has snow for us Tuesday and Thursday. https://xcweather.co.uk/forecast/Nottingham


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tallyho_83
27 January 2019 09:55:38

GEFS continues to be at odds with the MetO extended outlook. You'd expect one to buckle sooner rather than later.

Originally Posted by: Brian Gaze 

Seems clear to me that things are trending milder or at least less cold and this has been consistent now for several days!

 But the LR Models and Met Office say NO!


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Gooner
27 January 2019 10:02:26

LP later in the week pushing snow in


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Marcus

Banbury

North Oxfordshire

378 feet A S L



soperman
27 January 2019 10:08:33

Crikey. thursday,s slider looks v interesting.

Countryfile forecast will be on the fence.  Could be rain, could be snow. At least it wont be dry

 

 


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Gooner
27 January 2019 10:11:38

Weather warnings now out 

www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/weather/warnings#?date=2019-01-29

 


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Marcus

Banbury

North Oxfordshire

378 feet A S L



soperman
27 January 2019 10:11:47

Taking another look. Uppers not condusive for snow so need to rely on intensity and heights for snowfall


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Shropshire
27 January 2019 10:12:01

Crikey. thursday,s slider looks v interesting.

Countryfile forecast will be on the fence.  Could be rain, could be snow. At least it wont be dry

 

 

Originally Posted by: soperman 

The GFS doesn't have it as a slider - it gets up to Central Scotland !

Looking further ahead, no strong signals this morning but pressure is rising to the South and much of the cold is being lifted out of Central Europe.

 


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